Why was Mosh banned?

[Nik]

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2280954

moshquerade is on vacation for a week, due to his/her violations of Rule # 12.

Zim Hosein

Off Topic Moderator.

12) Do not contact individual moderators. Please direct violations of these guidelines to moderator@anandtech.com, AnandTech Moderator by PM or post in Personal Forum Issues to request attention for something. Please be patient with moderation requests and inquiries. Users found in violation of this directive will be given only one warning and pointed in the right direction before further action is taken.

How does that relate to her banning at all?

And, to top it off, Zim (who has a long, public history of harassing Mosh and accusing her of being male) just had to push it with the "his/her" comment, bringing personal bullshit into it. Again.

Also, if members are not allowed to attack moderators, why are moderators allowed to be completely rude, vulgar, and offensive to members without retribution?

Perknose: Don't you have another asshole dog abuser to defend, you smug, disgusting excuse for a human being?

I'm tired of watching people get unfairly slapped around by certain mods but when they try to defend themselves they get banned for "calling out" a mod, a deed that is yet to be clearly defined.

Mosh: What? That is totally over the line. : /

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13) Baiting moderators will not be tolerated nor will Mod Call Outs. Any action that reasonably can be considered baiting a moderator, or multiple consecutive actions that heavily push the boundaries of any of these guidelines will result in an instant short term vacation. Repeated violation of this rule may result in a permaban.


Zim Hosein

Off Topic Moderator.

Perknose's reply WAS completely over the line and uncalled for, yet she was smacked around for standing up for herself. Really? Really?!

Perknose: You outed yourself, and, as usual, are now trying to whine, divert, backtrack and probably LIE.

Now she's being called a liar when Perknose has no business accusing her of lying. He's flying off the handle for no reason, obviously doesn't know what he's talking about per the images below.

Perknose: Pics or shens.

No dog true dog lover here would have seen that article, POSTED IT and NOT even posted ONE WORD of outrage in defense of the poor dog.

YOU DID.

Not only did YOU do that, but your only voiced concern was whether it was fair to the dog abusing owner.

You can shuck and jive all you want, and you probably will, but YOU have outed yourself and your true concerns here.

BUSTED, you're busted.

She didn't even get a chance to post these images:

http://imageftw.com/uploads/20090225/cap_029.jpg

http://imageftw.com/uploads/20090225/cap_030.jpg

Why does this crap continue to happen? Why is it allowed to continue? Please? These forums are worse than ever. :frown:

 

[MotF Bane]

The rest of us can't tell what PM's may have been sent, which might explain 12 more than is visible here. Generally though, I agree with you, and particularly about Zim's "his/her" comment.

 

[Nik]

I made a few edits to include the majority of the public issue.

 

[olds]

I think it may have gotten overblown and every needs to take it down a notch. I am sure it's being looked at.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
I think it may have gotten overblown and every needs to take it down a notch. I am sure it's being looked at.

How many other times has that been used, and on how many forums? It's a vague generic phrase to brush away inquisition. In most cases, the interest dies down, and magically nothing ever comes of the incident in question.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
I think it may have gotten overblown and every needs to take it down a notch. I am sure it's being looked at.

It's not one single episode. This crap continues to happen. Mods verbally beat the fuck out of people, zealously breaking the rules, and then banning people for saying something.

I'll probably get banned for this, which will only go to prove my point, but I'm not the only one who's sick of it. It needs to stop.

 

[KevinCU]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
I think it may have gotten overblown and every needs to take it down a notch. I am sure it's being looked at.

How many other times has that been used, and on how many forums? It's a vague generic phrase to brush away inquisition. In most cases, the interest dies down, and magically nothing ever comes of the incident in question.

I am in full agreement with this post.

As for the OP, even if Mosh broke the rules, why does that make Perknose invincible when it comes to being reprimanded for his out of line behavior?

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
I think it may have gotten overblown and every needs to take it down a notch. I am sure it's being looked at.

How many other times has that been used, and on how many forums? It's a vague generic phrase to brush away inquisition. In most cases, the interest dies down, and magically nothing ever comes of the incident in question.

Or, I may know something that you don't...

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
I think it may have gotten overblown and every needs to take it down a notch. I am sure it's being looked at.

How many other times has that been used, and on how many forums? It's a vague generic phrase to brush away inquisition. In most cases, the interest dies down, and magically nothing ever comes of the incident in question.

Or, I may know something that you don't...

If you apply his post to the bigger issue, not just this one single thread, he's right. Perknose and Zim both have a long, public history of conflict on these forums with Mosh and it's so extremely obvious that they're tag-teaming her here for no reason just to get her banned.

People have been whining about Perk's unfair knee-jerk reactions to people simply defending themselves against his uncalled for attacks for years --and now, even more so because there's an official "rule" that is ridiculously loosely written. He, and others, hide behind it and use it as an I-Win button in any conversation they choose to steamroll.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
I think it may have gotten overblown and every needs to take it down a notch. I am sure it's being looked at.

How many other times has that been used, and on how many forums? It's a vague generic phrase to brush away inquisition. In most cases, the interest dies down, and magically nothing ever comes of the incident in question.

Or, I may know something that you don't...

If you apply his post to the bigger issue, not just this one single thread, he's right. People have been whining about Perk's unfair knee-jerk reactions to people simply defending themselves against his uncalled for attacks for years --and now, even more so because there's an official "rule" that is ridiculously loosely written. He, and others, hide behind it and use it as an I-Win button in any conversation they choose to steamroll.

Assuming that Perk is hiding would be incorrect. Perk didn't ban Mosh, an inexperienced but trustworthy Mod did.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
I think it may have gotten overblown and every needs to take it down a notch. I am sure it's being looked at.

How many other times has that been used, and on how many forums? It's a vague generic phrase to brush away inquisition. In most cases, the interest dies down, and magically nothing ever comes of the incident in question.

Or, I may know something that you don't...

Yes, maybe you do, or maybe you're just trying to help protect your old buddies when they screw up again.

Also, Nik is right - I'm not referencing that phrase for this single thread only, but in general as well.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Assuming that Perk is hiding would be incorrect. Perk didn't ban Mosh, an inexperienced but trustworthy Mod did.

What It's obvious that Zim banned her, not Perknose. The "hiding" comment was referring to hiding behind that rule and using the rule as an automatic I-Win button in conversation to just ban someone they don't agree with.

 

[Shawn]

Such drama. It's only a week vacation, not a permaban.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
I think it may have gotten overblown and every needs to take it down a notch. I am sure it's being looked at.

How many other times has that been used, and on how many forums? It's a vague generic phrase to brush away inquisition. In most cases, the interest dies down, and magically nothing ever comes of the incident in question.

Or, I may know something that you don't...

Yes, maybe you do, or maybe you're just trying to help protect your old buddies when they screw up again.

Also, Nik is right - I'm not referencing that phrase for this single thread, but in general.

The thread title specifies Mosh, not in general. So I was addressing the Mosh issue.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Shawn
Such drama, it's only a week vacation, not a permaban.

Hey, yeah you're right. How about you get banned for a week for not doing anything wrong Especially after the two mods after you are two that you've had to defend yourself against unjustly for years. They simply won't give up and now it's been taken a step further. When does it stop?

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
The thread title specifies Mosh, not in general. So I was addressing the Mosh issue.

Read the topic summary.

 

[rudeguy]

%> whenever the senior mods visit OT, theres trouble
<rudeguy5757> the senior mods are there all the time
<rudeguy5757> perknose is cooler than shit
<rudeguy5757> evadman is awesome
<rudeguy5757> heyabusa is the shit
<rudeguy5757> CC is actually a great guy
<rudeguy5757> bsobel has his moments but is actually really laid back
<rudeguy5757> I would give Harvey a kidney
<%> wtf?!
<%> are you DRUNK?
<%> bsobel is a huge douchebag
<rudeguy5757> not in the least


I had posted that in IRC right before the shit storm started. The mods are human and get pissed at members. If I had the ban stick, I would surely use it to shut up people that got under my skin.

I do think that perk got a little too worked up. Perk didn't ban her though, and she didn't get banned for calling him out. She got banned for PM'ing a mod's personal account. At least that's the way I understand it.

I have gotten into it with just about every mod here. I have probably been given a vacation by the majority of them. But after the flames die down, the mods are actually good guys. They aren't perfect, none of us are. We all want slack sometimes and the mods deserve some slack too. That doesn't mean that I won't call BS when I think a mod goes too far. Now I just try to do it with some respect.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: NSFW
If I had the ban stick, I would surely use it to shut up people that got under my skin.

That's exactly why you should never be a mod.

This thread is more about an underlying issue than it is about +1 ban.

Now I just try to do it with some respect.

That doesn't seem to matter anymore. How is saying that his absurd personal attack is "out of line" disrespectful? Hardly deserving of a mod edit for calling out a mod because it wasn't. That, plus the "reason" given in her OP about her ban are just very very weak and strongly suggest another reason for the ban.

I am honestly very surprised that Perknose didn't ban her and use the "callout" rule for justification.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: NSFWI had posted that in IRC right before the shit storm started. The mods are human and get pissed at members. If I had the ban stick, I would surely use it to shut up people that got under my skin.

I do think that perk got a little too worked up. Perk didn't ban her though, and she didn't get banned for calling him out. She got banned for PM'ing a mod's personal account. At least that's the way I understand it.

If they're pissed off at somebody, then it's a good time to let somebody else deal with the problem with unbiased judgement. There's enough moderators here to pass it along.

If she PM'd Perk calling him a bad moderator or similar, then that would make a lot more sense than the public appearance provides.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
If she PM'd Perk calling him a bad moderator or similar, then that would make a lot more sense than the public appearance provides.

So nobody is allowed to PM someone with a Moderator title?

Even if she DID PM Perknose, it's very clearly a personal issue, not a mod callout. He WAS out of line and, knowing Mosh, either sent a PM for help to defend against Perk's assaults or sent a PM to Perknose himself asking why he's acting up. A personal issue resolved in private is now insulting a mod?

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
If she PM'd Perk calling him a bad moderator or similar, then that would make a lot more sense than the public appearance provides.

So nobody is allowed to PM someone with a Moderator title?

Even if she DID PM Perknose, it's very clearly a personal issue, not a mod callout. He WAS out of line and, knowing Mosh, either sent a PM for help to defend against Perk's assaults or sent a PM to Perknose himself asking why he's acting up. A personal issue resolved in private is now insulting a mod?

There would be nothing wrong with that, it would be if in addition to defending herself or asking why he was attacking her like that, she also said something about his actions as a moderator. If all she did was defend herself, then she did nothing wrong, and they screwed up again.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: NSFW
If I had the ban stick, I would surely use it to shut up people that got under my skin.

That's exactly why you should never be a mod.

This thread is more about an underlying issue than it is about +1 ban.

Now I just try to do it with some respect.

That doesn't seem to matter anymore. How is saying that his absurd personal attack is "out of line" disrespectful? Hardly deserving of a mod edit for calling out a mod because it wasn't. That, plus the "reason" given in her OP about her ban are just very very weak and strongly suggest another reason for the ban.

I am honestly very surprised that Perknose didn't ban her and use the "callout" rule for justification.

But he didn't ban her.

Don't get me wrong, I love moshy and don't think she deserved the ban. I have been given bans for much less and dealt with it. A mod edit? Whats so big about that?

Just calm down. Mosh seemed ok when I was talking to her before she went to bed. I got mad when I first saw what went down, but then I talked to mosh and read the thread. Its just a forum Nik....life will be ok. Moshy will come back after some good old fashion time away. You know that complaining in here won't fix anything. Everyone one of us is free to PM Derek if we think one of the senior mods is in the wrong. That's a better way of going about this than pissing and moaning in here.

 

[AnandTech Moderator]

Enough with your ungrounded personal speculation, grudge spewing and endless personal attacks, Nik. I'm shutting this down. Any further complaints from you can be addressed to Derek Wilson.

AnandTech Moderator Evadman