Why was Gaddafi "evil"?

[mammador]

rules don't exist, is this so hard to comprehend?

 

[momeNt]

rules don't exist, is this so hard to comprehend?

They exist as much as you do or don't want them to exist. So if you don't believe in them, then they don't exist (to you), but they may exist in someone's perception of reality.

So are you speaking for yourself or do you suffer from thinking that you know and understand everyone's perception of reality?

I have a rule that I must feed the troll, if that rule didn't exist to me, I wouldn't be posting here now.

 

[fskimospy]

rules don't exist, is this so hard to comprehend?

It doesn't matter if they exist or not, is this so hard to comprehend?

 

[mammador]

They exist as much as you do or don't want them to exist. So if you don't believe in them, then they don't exist (to you), but they may exist in someone's perception of reality.

So are you speaking for yourself or do you suffer from thinking that you know and understand everyone's perception of reality?

I have a rule that I must feed the troll, if that rule didn't exist to me, I wouldn't be posting here now.

No, rules as per social rules don't exist. of course rules exist, there are physical laws and constants.

I understand that everything is subjective, so what? did you just learn this?

 

[mammador]

It doesn't matter if they exist or not, is this so hard to comprehend?

You raised the issue. not me.

 

[fskimospy]

You raised the issue. not me.

No, I didn't. I never mentioned rules a single time. You are either 18 and just stumbled on a philosophy textbook or you're deliberately trolling. Either way, it's not interesting anymore.

 

[mammador]

I don't see how asking why Gaddafi is evil is trolling.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't see how asking why Gaddafi is evil is trolling.

Because when you got the answer you refused to accept it and continued saying stupid things.

 

[mammador]

i said nothing stupid. i said that evil doesn't exist, which is a common fact.

 

[fskimospy]

i said nothing stupid. i said that evil doesn't exist, which is a common fact.

No, it was easily disproved as I already did.

I give up.

 

[mammador]

incidentally, I disagreed with your collective analysis. I think evil is undefinable.

 

[momeNt]

I think mammador what you are searching for can be found in this quote from Henry David Thoreau

If I knew for a certainty that a man was coming to my house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should run for my life, as from that dry and parching wind of the African deserts called the simoom, which fills the mouth and nose and ears and eyes with dust till you are suffocated, for fear that I should get some of his good done to me — some of its virus mingled with my blood. No — in this case I would rather suffer evil the natural way. A man is not a good man to me because he will feed me if I should be starving, or warm me if I should be freezing, or pull me out of a ditch if I should ever fall into one. I can find you a Newfoundland dog that will do as much. Philanthropy is not love for one's fellow-man in the broadest sense.

http://thoreau.eserver.org/walden1e.html

I think this may help you in your understanding of "social" rules, mores, laws, whatever you want to call them.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't see how asking why Gaddafi is evil is trolling.

In the first place, you are not seeking information on why Qaddafi is evil. You are seeking a platform to announce your belief that morality and ethics are relative. So the trolling part applies, I think, because you came to announce in a round about way your moral superiority over folk like me who know that there are moral absolutes, to brag about being an alpha since that's the hot new thing on TV and the dream of every Rand reader. But it's all childish bullshit that has appeal only to sociopaths who are not able to feel like you in your feelings toward children. You are actually mentally ill and possibly dangerous, certainly to yourself, and possibly others. You may see the world as filled with cold dead things and aren't actually human at all. Either that or you are very emotionally damaged and in a ass-backward way pleading for help. But in any event, you are certainly an egotist and an immature one at that.

I sure hope you can feel something good for others because if you can't you miss out on what it means to be real.

 

[Moonbeam]

incidentally, I disagreed with your collective analysis. I think evil is undefinable.

Evil is the personalized belief that evil exists, that one him or herself is evil.

Evil exists because of belief. Evil is the creation of thought and thought is language, the capacity to abstract, to invent things or ideas that do not exist, things like good and evil, and then to apply them to children at an age when they can't comprehend the emotions that are attached to ideas from the ideas themselves. You teach a child that what he or she is is evil and that child learns to hate himself. Such a child now carries the evil of hate, and can't remember, as an adult, where this hate came from. To act out that hate is to act of the feeling of evil, even though there is actually no such thing.

So it does you no good at all to pretend there is no evil when you don't understand or see your own self hate. You claim rightly there is no evil, but you are still filled with that belief and you are stuck with your own self hate.

The mind can say there is no evil, one can know it intellectually, but it makes not the slightest difference to the existence of evil, because evil exists as a feeling. We do not allow ourselves to know the truth of what we feel, so our evil is there regardless of what we think. To act unconsciously on feelings of self hate is to manifest evil. It is this manifestation that is evil. Our dear Libyan leader was full of manifestations of his own self hate with his gigantically compensating pompous ego.

 

[mammador]

In the first place, you are not seeking information on why Qaddafi is evil. You are seeking a platform to announce your belief that morality and ethics are relative. So the trolling part applies, I think, because you came to announce in a round about way your moral superiority over folk like me who know that there are moral absolutes, to brag about being an alpha since that's the hot new thing on TV and the dream of every Rand reader. But it's all childish bullshit that has appeal only to sociopaths who are not able to feel like you in your feelings toward children. You are actually mentally ill and possibly dangerous, certainly to yourself, and possibly others. You may see the world as filled with cold dead things and aren't actually human at all. Either that or you are very emotionally damaged and in a ass-backward way pleading for help. But in any event, you are certainly an egotist and an immature one at that.

I sure hope you can feel something good for others because if you can't you miss out on what it means to be real.

I don't get your points. It's basic deductive logic. In Western society, we see evil as non-existent, and morality is subjective. If this is the case, then there is nothing wrong with what I have said.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

I'm confused how someone so loved was overthrown without ground support from the UN. If he was so loved I don't see how that could happen. Air support would take out tons of infrastructure but without popular support and lots of people on the ground the rebels would not have succeeded.

I take it you didn't read the link I posted earlier. If you had, you would have seen this.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I'm confused how someone so loved was overthrown without ground support from the UN. If he was so loved I don't see how that could happen. Air support would take out tons of infrastructure but without popular support and lots of people on the ground the rebels would not have succeeded.

Not going into the issue of being loved.

Air power was overwhelming and used to destroy the complete military system. Command and control facilities depots, armor, and attacks on ground troops. An effective air campaign can destroy any country if not stopped. Look at Gulf War 1,2. Iraq had the equipment which was completely destroyed be air. Very little ground until mop up. Same with Libya. The rebels were unable to accomlish any momentum until air support arrived. Then Libya military force was broken.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't get your points. It's basic deductive logic. In Western society, we see evil as non-existent, and morality is subjective. If this is the case, then there is nothing wrong with what I have said.

It is no the case and there is everything wrong with what you said. Evil exists and morality is absolute.