Why Voter ID laws are superfluous

[soundforbjt]

Problems aren't something that are always easy to identify. Just because it hasn't been discovered doesn't equate to it not existing. They are often covered up and attempted to be concealed.

You know, like the tons of rape victims from Cuomo and other Democrats have had over the years?

So in the history of voting in the US, it’s gone completely undiscovered? You actually expect anyone to believe that?

 

[Ajay]

In NH we required ID quite a few years ago. A state non-driver photo ID is available at all DMV locations for $10, renewed every 5 years. It wasn't a big deal here, but we are a small state with no large cities. So, IDs don't bother me (unless other states don't offer cheap non-driver IDs). It's the other restrictions like limits on the use of mail in ballots, limiting the number of voting locations, putting polling places in areas that are hard to access (no public transpo, etc.), putting polling places in predominantly white areas. In places were people wait for hours in line - but don't allow normal, friendly citizens to pass out water, or offer some free food. And a host of other wretched crap. The whole obviousness of 'we lost the vote - so let's change the rules' mentality. I mean, how bent does one have to be to do stuff like this?

 

[trenchfoot]

Seeing as if Voter ID laws ginned up exclusively by the Repubs that would give them and only them an unfair advantage at the polls, arguing semantics over it seems to be the Repub's way of distracting their true intent and purpose of conspiring these targeted restrictive laws into existence.

It's a fact that Repubs simply love to muddy the waters around their efforts to create a state of affairs whereby they will rule the nation from a minority party status.

That party has been attempting to deny certain demographics their right to vote since way back in our nation's history. All they've done at the present is to expand that aim of theirs to the whole Democrat party who now represents the majority of the nation.

 

[Amused]

Curiously, no one actually addressed the points in my post or gave any real examples of why IDs at the polls are needed or how, exactly, they would prevent any fraud.

They just feel they are.

Wow. It can be drawn in crayon for them and the cult talking points still spew from their orange stained lips.

 

[Ajay]

That party has been attempting to deny certain demographics their right to vote since way back in our nation's history. All they've done at the present is to expand that aim of theirs to the whole Democrat party who now represents the majority of the nation.

I thought they've only been doing this since the Dems pretty much lost the south after LBJ pushed the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.

 

[JD50]

Problems aren't something that are always easy to identify. Just because it hasn't been discovered doesn't equate to it not existing. They are often covered up and attempted to be concealed.

You know, like the tons of rape victims from Cuomo and other Democrats have had over the years?

What other completely undiscovered and undetectable things should we be protecting against at the polling stations? Maybe have someone in charge of fending off the invisible fire breathing dragon that 'some people are saying' they've seen? Sometimes my wife and I hang out in the DMV parking lot and we've heard Hispanic people discussing this invisible fire breathing dragon.

 

[Ajay]

Deleted - misread post.

 

[KMFJD]

Source for that data?

LMGTFY

https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet , and their sources below

http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/d/download_file_39242.pdf

https://today.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/FullReportVoterIDJune20141.pdf

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/09/gao-voter-id-laws-in-kansas-and-tennessee-dropped-2012-turnout-by-over-100000-votes/?utm_term=.98af0620fca6

 

[soundforbjt]

In EVERY voting ID thread we’ve had, Conservatives have been asked to provide proof of a problem with in-person voting fraud. In EVERY thread they’ve failed to provide proof for the laws they want enacted.
Why do you think that is?

 

[Ajay]

In EVERY voting ID thread we’ve had, Conservatives have been asked to provide proof of a problem with in-person voting fraud. In EVERY thread they’ve failed to provide proof for the laws they want enacted.
Why do you think that is?

What conservatives? There are almost NO conservatives left, there's only the republican power politics club, made for rich individuals and companies - given status by the now Trumpian voter base. And you expect some sort of factual evidence from that group? If the GOP could be rolled back 50 years, they'd be more progressive than they are now and more amenable to compromises based on factual information than they are today ( by a country mile!).

 

[soulcougher73]

I feel that conservatives are morons and should not be allowed to vote. But if you can provide an IQ test with a score above 90 at the polls, you can vote.

 

[soundforbjt]

What conservatives? There are almost NO conservatives left, there's only the republican power politics club, made for rich individuals and companies - given status by the now Trumpian voter base. And you expect some sort of factual evidence from that group? If the GOP could be rolled back 50 years, they'd be more progressive than they are now and more amenable to compromises based on factual information than they are today ( by a country mile!).

I was trying to not hurt their feels so they might answer.

 

[woolfe9998]

In EVERY voting ID thread we’ve had, Conservatives have been asked to provide proof of a problem with in-person voting fraud. In EVERY thread they’ve failed to provide proof for the laws they want enacted.
Why do you think that is?

Because the little known fact is that republicans and republican organizations have proven the opposite over and over again by relentlessly attempting to find fraud in every election for decades and never finding it. Heritage Foundation found ~40 instances of double voting while analyzing every federal, state and local election over a period of 40 years. We don't even need to investigate because the republicans have already done it. Thank you republicans.

 

[Paratus]

Source for that data?

Oppose Voter ID Legislation - Fact Sheet | American Civil Liberties Union

www.aclu.org

 

[HomerJS]

Anyone still wondering why EVERYTIME Republicans take their voter fraud claims to court they lose?

EVERY TIME

 

[Jhhnn]

Problems aren't something that are always easy to identify. Just because it hasn't been discovered doesn't equate to it not existing. They are often covered up and attempted to be concealed.

That's ridiculous conspiracy theory. Strict voter ID is a solution in search of a problem.

 

[HomerJS]

If the federal government offered each citizen who wants it a free voter ID card that every state must accept, Republicans would say no.

They don't really care care about voter ID, just suppressing minority votes.

 

[MrSquished]

So much fuss about producing an id.
Things that require an id.
Buying booze.
Buying cigarettes.
Buying a home.
Renting a home.
Renting an apartment.
Renting a car.
Buying prescription drugs.
Buying some over the counter drugs.
Opening a bank account.
Buying a car.
Getting a job.
Cashing a check.
I'm sure I missed a few.

Just get an id.

Your list is half assed. For multiple things, once you get old enough, you no longer need to use id. A lot of people don't have a car, no drivers license. A lot of people are poor, they live many people to a household or with roommates, and a lot of times that are on no lease or no mortgage and on no utilities bill. A lot of jobs are cash. Or old people who don't work that are just scraping by on SS.

Many many situations where people, and almost ALWAYS poor, don't have an id considered acceptable for voting, or that's easy to get.

There are poor assed people where the nearest DMV is 40 plus miles away and there is shit public transit and they have no car who get by with no id.

Like just conservatives, you only can consider your situation.

Like most conservatives, you only consider your situation.

 

[balloonshark]

So if we ask for proof of vaccination against a pandemic to save lives you say "papers please".

When we go to vote despite living in the US our entire lives you say show us your papers or you can't vote. This has to match and that has to match exactly (signature, address, etc.) or your vote doesn't count.

I think they bigger problem is not knowing if my votes actually counted for the people I voted for with all the stupid roadblocks they installed to exclude my vote like signature matching.

 

[ElFenix]

Anyone still wondering why EVERYTIME Republicans take their voter fraud claims to court they lose?

EVERY TIME

i wish. unfortunately the conservatives on the supreme court bought the bare allegation of voter fraud as a compelling state interest allowing them to gut section 2 of the voting rights act in brnovich.

 

[Vic]

So much fuss about producing an id.
Things that require an id.
Buying booze.
Buying cigarettes.
Buying a home.
Renting a home.
Renting an apartment.
Renting a car.
Buying prescription drugs.
Buying some over the counter drugs.
Opening a bank account.
Buying a car.
Getting a job.
Cashing a check.
I'm sure I missed a few.

Just get an id.

How many of those activities are rights guaranteed by the Constitution?

The "fuss" here is coming from people who actively trying to take away people's right to vote.

 

[Amol S.]

I have noticed few, if any, really understand how our voting system works and fall for simplistic and impossible conspiracies like "ballot box stuffing" and "ballots from Chyna."

So here is an explanation for those people and also an explanation why IDs at the polls are irrelevant and unnecessary...

If ANYONE sat and ACTUALLY thought about how voting works in the US, they would quickly understand why IDs are not at all required to vote. Why? For the same reason mail-in ballots work securely.

1. You must register to vote at your current address.

2. Your name and address combo are added to the voter rolls after verification of your citizenship and eligibility to vote (THIS IS YOUR ID CHECK).

3. When you go to vote, you give the person your name and address combo and they check your name off the voter rolls as having voted.

4. When votes are counted, name and address combos MUST match voter rolls. Anomalies (not on rolls or multiple votes from one name/address combo) are rare, and are tossed.

This makes fraud virtually impossible. NO ONE is complaining that they had their vote stolen by someone pretending to be them. This is so rare as to be virtually non-existent.

This system also makes ballot box stuffing impossible, as each ballot much match a name and address on the voter rolls ONCE. Anomalies are tossed. ALL of them. So a double vote ends up being non vote.

Rarely do people make up fake names and addresses and register as this is tedious and also a federal crime with stiff penalties. It happens so rarely that when it does, it's big news and the convictions for doing so are swift and severe. Adding the extra step of creating a fake ID for each isn't going to slow that down because they already had to create an entirely fake identity to register it.

End of story. ID requirements have NEVER been necessary.

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The reason why Voter ID is required also when people are at the polling place is also quite simple. To make sure your permanent residence is still inside the same state/district. There are people who own more than one house. The purpouse of ID at this phase, is not significantly to show who you are, but if you still live at the place you claimed when you applied to vote, and have not moved. Every home that a person owns has a property paper associated with it. The only exception where this second ID check is a bit too much, is when it involves a homeless person trying to vote. A homeless person is homeless, thus they do not have anyway to prove that they are trying to vote at their correct voting place.

Furthermore, ID's do expire. Once they do, they are no longer considered as official proof of identification unless they are renewed.

 

[NWRMidnight]

How many of those activities are rights guaranteed by the Constitution?

The "fuss" here is coming from people who actively trying to take away people's right to vote.

I think Greenman needs to start pulling out his ID every time he gets in his car, or goes to enter his home. You know, a verification process to make sure he really is the one who is supposed to enter that home, or drive that car. It doesn't' matter if he has already showing his ID and proved his identity when he purchased/rented the home, or purchased/leased the vehicle.

 

[woolfe9998]

If the federal government offered each citizen who wants it a free voter ID card that every state must accept, Republicans would say no.

They don't really care care about voter ID, just suppressing minority votes.

True, though I would point out that there is no such thing as a free voter ID card. Because no government agency is going to hand you one without documentation of citizenship, like a birth certificate, which you'll have to pay $$ to get a certified copy of.

 

[soundforbjt]

True, though I would point out that there is no such thing as a free voter ID card. Because no government agency is going to hand you one without documentation of citizenship, like a birth certificate, which you'll have to pay $$ to get a certified copy of.

This. It cost me $45 and two weeks wait to get a copy of my BC.

For some people this could mean the difference between eating for a week or get the certificate.