Why vote for Edwards?

[Romans828]

Come hang out in central North Carolina for awhile before you go jumping on the Edwards band wagon.

Funniest thing is that Edwards is even more straightlaced than Bush. He is a native son you know

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Romans828
Come hang out in central North Carolina for awhile before you go jumping on the Edwards band wagon.

Funniest thing is that Edwards is even more straightlaced than Bush. He is a native son you know

You keep saying that Edwards is thought a fool in North Carolina. Is that because he's more to the left and more open-minded than your fundamentalist views? I've yet to see any proof of yours that Edwards is not liked in North Carolina.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

6. Not Beholden to Special Interests

Thats a HUGE OUTRIGHT LIE. So is not being an elite. He might not have grown up that way, but he is an elite, he associates with elites, he is solely finanically backed by elites.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,75760,00.html

Senator John Edwards was elected to his first term in the Senate in 1998. In that campaign to represent North Carolina in the Senate, he refused political action committee cash, instead spending $3 million of his own money to win the seat.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Romans828
Come hang out in central North Carolina for awhile before you go jumping on the Edwards band wagon.

heh, I'm not "jumping on the Edwards band wagon" I'm simply stating that I think he sucks less than the other dems.

Anyway, Roman, If you were forced to vote for a Dem. I don't know, lets say for the sake of argument that someone has stolen you teddy bear, and is going to pluck its eyes out if you don't vote for a Dem (Yeah, I'm tired and don't feel like thinking up anything better at the moment) Who would you vote for?

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Romans828
Come hang out in central North Carolina for awhile before you go jumping on the Edwards band wagon.

Funniest thing is that Edwards is even more straightlaced than Bush. He is a native son you know

You keep saying that Edwards is thought a fool in North Carolina. Is that because he's more to the left and more open-minded than your fundamentalist views? I've yet to see any proof of yours that Edwards is not liked in North Carolina.

Exactly why do you think he is more to the left? You don't know much about southern politics do you?

Proof about Edwards in NC......... Look a little harder with your rose colored glasses off.

If you read the local papers or listened to the local NCnews (like me) you would understand.

Anyone but Bush? be careful what you ask for.......

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: conjur

You keep saying that Edwards is thought a fool in North Carolina. Is that because he's more to the left and more open-minded than your fundamentalist views? I've yet to see any proof of yours that Edwards is not liked in North Carolina.

Exactly why do you think he is more to the left? You don't know much about southern politics do you?

Proof about Edwards in NC......... Look a little harder with your rose colored glasses off.

If you read the local papers or listened to the local NCnews (like me) you would understand.

Anyone but Bush? be careful what you ask for.......

You can't even answer a simple, direct question.

You might as well log off of here and never return.

You're a worthless troll.

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: conjur

You keep saying that Edwards is thought a fool in North Carolina. Is that because he's more to the left and more open-minded than your fundamentalist views? I've yet to see any proof of yours that Edwards is not liked in North Carolina.

Exactly why do you think he is more to the left? You don't know much about southern politics do you?

Proof about Edwards in NC......... Look a little harder with your rose colored glasses off.

If you read the local papers or listened to the local NCnews (like me) you would understand.

Anyone but Bush? be careful what you ask for.......

You can't even answer a simple, direct question.

You might as well log off of here and never return.

You're a worthless troll.

Your a funny person, real bright too I can tell.

PS: I am not worthless

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: conjur

You keep saying that Edwards is thought a fool in North Carolina. Is that because he's more to the left and more open-minded than your fundamentalist views? I've yet to see any proof of yours that Edwards is not liked in North Carolina.

Exactly why do you think he is more to the left? You don't know much about southern politics do you?

Proof about Edwards in NC......... Look a little harder with your rose colored glasses off.

If you read the local papers or listened to the local NCnews (like me) you would understand.

Anyone but Bush? be careful what you ask for.......

You can't even answer a simple, direct question.

You might as well log off of here and never return.

You're a worthless troll.

Your a funny person, real bright too I can tell.

PS: I am not worthless

Then answer the questions I posed.

 

[Romans828]

Ok heres somebut Im not your personal reference source.........

You could searh for NC politcal info YOURSELF


"The same Tar Heel Republicans who were surprised to see Edwards rise from obscurity to beat an incumbent senator now are surprised to be watching Edwards' own popularity sink like a rock. At a recent NHL Stanley Cup Finals game in Raleigh, Edwards received a chorus of boos when he was introduced. State Republicans saw this as an omen. They tell INSIGHT the hockey demographic in Raleigh is full of the sort of moderate suburban swing voters (read: Northern transplants) whom Edwards so effectively wooed in the last election. If Edwards has lost his credibility with high-tech suburban voters who populate the "Research Triangle," say GOP operatives, imagine what the NASCAR set thinks of him!

The local polling data confirm these views. While his national recognition is climbing, his local standing is falling. Edwards' latest statewide approval rating stands at 46 percent, a stark contrast to Bush's 74 percent. The same poll shows that, head to head, Bush would beat Edwards by nearly 20 points in the senator's home state. "That would be much, much more embarrassing than Al Gore losing Tennessee," says Bill Cobey, chairman of the North Carolina Republican Party. Political professionals state that Edwards' popularity slide is a consequence of playing to national Democrats instead of his North Carolina constituency."


"But for North Carolinians, Edwards' popularity as a senator does not translate into approval as a presidential candidate. When asked whether they support or oppose Edwards' decision to seek the Democratic nomination for president, 25 percent of those polled said they support it, 50 percent said they are opposed and 25 percent didn't have an answer."

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: conjur

You keep saying that Edwards is thought a fool in North Carolina. Is that because he's more to the left and more open-minded than your fundamentalist views? I've yet to see any proof of yours that Edwards is not liked in North Carolina.

Exactly why do you think he is more to the left? You don't know much about southern politics do you?

Proof about Edwards in NC......... Look a little harder with your rose colored glasses off.

If you read the local papers or listened to the local NCnews (like me) you would understand.

Anyone but Bush? be careful what you ask for.......

You can't even answer a simple, direct question.

You might as well log off of here and never return.

You're a worthless troll.

Your a funny person, real bright too I can tell.

PS: I am not worthless

Today's daily affirmation:

I am not worthless
I am not worthless
I am not worthless
I am not worthless
I am not worthless!
I am NOT worthless!

 

[ClueLis]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: ClueLis


I was referring to the unofficial one.

Ah, ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

The official site is a bit better, but feels more like empty rhetoric than real statements of view.

As for it being "empty rhetoric" I don't know. I'm more inclined to belive him or atleast give him the benefit of the doubt over Dean or Kerry. The idea of Dean or Kerry as president just doesn't sit well with me. Dean is to extreme in my opinion and Kerry has to much baggage.

I never said that Kerry an Dean were any better. Like I said, this is something I've noticed with the entire democratic party. It's also not that I don't trust what they're saying, but that they just aren't saying very much, really. I'm a staunch liberal, and I view pretty much any of these guys as better than Bush, but they are not my ideal candidates.

 

[Romans828]

Funny thing is Edwards is problably more "right" than Bush in many ways........

He's a NC good-old-boy for petes sake



hahahahaha

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: ClueLis
I'm a staunch liberal, and I view pretty much any of these guys as better than Bush, but they are not my ideal candidates.

They're not my ideal candidates either. But, meh, I just couldn't see myself voting for Bush. Heh, It's that lesser of two evils thing again. Now wouldn't it be nice if there was a strong 3rd party candidate so we wouldn't have to deal with the Dem/Rep BS? Oh well, can't always get what we want, can we? Such is life, you have to take the bad with the worce, so to speak.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Romans828
Ok heres somebut Im not your personal reference source.........

You could searh for NC politcal info YOURSELF


"The same Tar Heel Republicans who were surprised to see Edwards rise from obscurity to beat an incumbent senator now are surprised to be watching Edwards' own popularity sink like a rock. At a recent NHL Stanley Cup Finals game in Raleigh, Edwards received a chorus of boos when he was introduced. State Republicans saw this as an omen. They tell INSIGHT the hockey demographic in Raleigh is full of the sort of moderate suburban swing voters (read: Northern transplants) whom Edwards so effectively wooed in the last election. If Edwards has lost his credibility with high-tech suburban voters who populate the "Research Triangle," say GOP operatives, imagine what the NASCAR set thinks of him!

The local polling data confirm these views. While his national recognition is climbing, his local standing is falling. Edwards' latest statewide approval rating stands at 46 percent, a stark contrast to Bush's 74 percent. The same poll shows that, head to head, Bush would beat Edwards by nearly 20 points in the senator's home state. "That would be much, much more embarrassing than Al Gore losing Tennessee," says Bill Cobey, chairman of the North Carolina Republican Party. Political professionals state that Edwards' popularity slide is a consequence of playing to national Democrats instead of his North Carolina constituency."


"But for North Carolinians, Edwards' popularity as a senator does not translate into approval as a presidential candidate. When asked whether they support or oppose Edwards' decision to seek the Democratic nomination for president, 25 percent of those polled said they support it, 50 percent said they are opposed and 25 percent didn't have an answer."

Link?

Yes, I could and I have. However, you come blowing in here spouting off all kinds of rhetoric with nothing to back your point of view. You won't last long here.

And, how were those polls performed?
How does the article's write know who was booing Edwards?
As goes Raleigh, so goes the rest of North Carolina?

 

[ClueLis]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: ClueLis
I'm a staunch liberal, and I view pretty much any of these guys as better than Bush, but they are not my ideal candidates.

They're not my ideal candidates either. But, meh, I just couldn't see myself voting for Bush. Heh, It's that lesser of two evils thing again. Now wouldn't it be nice if there was a strong 3rd party candidate so we wouldn't have to deal with the Dem/Rep BS? Oh well, can't always get what we want, can we? Such is life, you have to take the bad with the worce, so to speak.

Nader joined in.

The problem is that the way our voting system works, it can really only function in a two party system. There are alternatives, like the system France put up, but that almost got LePen elected.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: ClueLis


Nader joined in.

heh, yeah, Nader, that guy sure knows how to make things interesting.

The problem is that the way our voting system works, it can really only function in a two party system. There are alternatives, like the system France put up, but that almost got LePen elected.

Yeah, dang two party system, it could use a 3rd and maybe even a 4th party just to spice things up

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Romans828
Ok heres somebut Im not your personal reference source.........

You could searh for NC politcal info YOURSELF


"The same Tar Heel Republicans who were surprised to see Edwards rise from obscurity to beat an incumbent senator now are surprised to be watching Edwards' own popularity sink like a rock. At a recent NHL Stanley Cup Finals game in Raleigh, Edwards received a chorus of boos when he was introduced. State Republicans saw this as an omen. They tell INSIGHT the hockey demographic in Raleigh is full of the sort of moderate suburban swing voters (read: Northern transplants) whom Edwards so effectively wooed in the last election. If Edwards has lost his credibility with high-tech suburban voters who populate the "Research Triangle," say GOP operatives, imagine what the NASCAR set thinks of him!

The local polling data confirm these views. While his national recognition is climbing, his local standing is falling. Edwards' latest statewide approval rating stands at 46 percent, a stark contrast to Bush's 74 percent. The same poll shows that, head to head, Bush would beat Edwards by nearly 20 points in the senator's home state. "That would be much, much more embarrassing than Al Gore losing Tennessee," says Bill Cobey, chairman of the North Carolina Republican Party. Political professionals state that Edwards' popularity slide is a consequence of playing to national Democrats instead of his North Carolina constituency."


"But for North Carolinians, Edwards' popularity as a senator does not translate into approval as a presidential candidate. When asked whether they support or oppose Edwards' decision to seek the Democratic nomination for president, 25 percent of those polled said they support it, 50 percent said they are opposed and 25 percent didn't have an answer."

Link?

Yes, I could and I have. However, you come blowing in here spouting off all kinds of rhetoric with nothing to back your point of view. You won't last long here.

And, how were those polls performed?
How does the article's write know who was booing Edwards?
As goes Raleigh, so goes the rest of North Carolina?

However, you come blowing in here spouting off all kinds of rhetoric with nothing to back your point of view. You won't last long here.

I won't last long?????

Oh gee I so scared LOL

Are you for real, cause ya seem like a joke to me

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Romans828
Ok heres somebut Im not your personal reference source.........

You could searh for NC politcal info YOURSELF


"The same Tar Heel Republicans who were surprised to see Edwards rise from obscurity to beat an incumbent senator now are surprised to be watching Edwards' own popularity sink like a rock. At a recent NHL Stanley Cup Finals game in Raleigh, Edwards received a chorus of boos when he was introduced. State Republicans saw this as an omen. They tell INSIGHT the hockey demographic in Raleigh is full of the sort of moderate suburban swing voters (read: Northern transplants) whom Edwards so effectively wooed in the last election. If Edwards has lost his credibility with high-tech suburban voters who populate the "Research Triangle," say GOP operatives, imagine what the NASCAR set thinks of him!

The local polling data confirm these views. While his national recognition is climbing, his local standing is falling. Edwards' latest statewide approval rating stands at 46 percent, a stark contrast to Bush's 74 percent. The same poll shows that, head to head, Bush would beat Edwards by nearly 20 points in the senator's home state. "That would be much, much more embarrassing than Al Gore losing Tennessee," says Bill Cobey, chairman of the North Carolina Republican Party. Political professionals state that Edwards' popularity slide is a consequence of playing to national Democrats instead of his North Carolina constituency."


"But for North Carolinians, Edwards' popularity as a senator does not translate into approval as a presidential candidate. When asked whether they support or oppose Edwards' decision to seek the Democratic nomination for president, 25 percent of those polled said they support it, 50 percent said they are opposed and 25 percent didn't have an answer."

Link?

Yes, I could and I have. However, you come blowing in here spouting off all kinds of rhetoric with nothing to back your point of view. You won't last long here.

And, how were those polls performed?
How does the article's write know who was booing Edwards?
As goes Raleigh, so goes the rest of North Carolina?

However, you come blowing in here spouting off all kinds of rhetoric with nothing to back your point of view. You won't last long here.

I won't last long?????

Oh gee I so scared LOL

Are you for real, cause ya seem like a joke to me

Again, you failed to answer some simple, direct questions.

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Romans828
Ok heres somebut Im not your personal reference source.........

You could searh for NC politcal info YOURSELF


"The same Tar Heel Republicans who were surprised to see Edwards rise from obscurity to beat an incumbent senator now are surprised to be watching Edwards' own popularity sink like a rock. At a recent NHL Stanley Cup Finals game in Raleigh, Edwards received a chorus of boos when he was introduced. State Republicans saw this as an omen. They tell INSIGHT the hockey demographic in Raleigh is full of the sort of moderate suburban swing voters (read: Northern transplants) whom Edwards so effectively wooed in the last election. If Edwards has lost his credibility with high-tech suburban voters who populate the "Research Triangle," say GOP operatives, imagine what the NASCAR set thinks of him!

The local polling data confirm these views. While his national recognition is climbing, his local standing is falling. Edwards' latest statewide approval rating stands at 46 percent, a stark contrast to Bush's 74 percent. The same poll shows that, head to head, Bush would beat Edwards by nearly 20 points in the senator's home state. "That would be much, much more embarrassing than Al Gore losing Tennessee," says Bill Cobey, chairman of the North Carolina Republican Party. Political professionals state that Edwards' popularity slide is a consequence of playing to national Democrats instead of his North Carolina constituency."


"But for North Carolinians, Edwards' popularity as a senator does not translate into approval as a presidential candidate. When asked whether they support or oppose Edwards' decision to seek the Democratic nomination for president, 25 percent of those polled said they support it, 50 percent said they are opposed and 25 percent didn't have an answer."

Link?

Yes, I could and I have. However, you come blowing in here spouting off all kinds of rhetoric with nothing to back your point of view. You won't last long here.

And, how were those polls performed?
How does the article's write know who was booing Edwards?
As goes Raleigh, so goes the rest of North Carolina?

However, you come blowing in here spouting off all kinds of rhetoric with nothing to back your point of view. You won't last long here.

I won't last long?????

Oh gee I so scared LOL

Are you for real, cause ya seem like a joke to me

Again, you failed to answer some simple, direct questions.

I am a failure, sure hope my tax attorney doesn't find out about this

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

6. Not Beholden to Special Interests

Thats a HUGE OUTRIGHT LIE. So is not being an elite. He might not have grown up that way, but he is an elite, he associates with elites, he is solely finanically backed by elites.

Edwards campaign is solely funded by trial lawyers. His chief fund raiser is a trial lawyer, Fred Baron.

Hes is beholden to trial lawyers. He would be a puppet for the likes of Fred Baron and his ilk.

I have no doubt Edwards would stop any laws passing that would put much needed restirctions and or caps on trial lawyers.

If Edwards wasnt backed by shady people, like Baron, and he wasnt a trial lawyer, hed be a good candidate.

Whereas Kerry is in telecom's back pocket and with the Patriot Act in place...that is way unCool. Plus he is a career politician. How long has it been since he had a job outside of DC. Kerry is a rich fat cat who is totally out of touch with non-politicians

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Romans828
Look the people of North Carolina KNOW that Edwards is a joke, its funny as heck just watching the rest of the country getting hoodwinked. It will end though soon enough, when the Kerry politcal machine finds it expediant to do so.

Look bottom line is the guy is a lying, backstabbing trial lawyer from good old NC. He isnt even a one term Senator for petes sake and has ABSOLUTElY NO BUSINESS being President. He started campaigning for president as soon as he was elected here as NC Senator. He has been gone from NC and his job so often its beyond comprehesion. People him call him Senator AWOL.

IF by some miricle, he gets the party nomination he will lose to Bush by 20 points EASY here in NC and its his home. Dont any of you "smart" democrates understand the significance of that? He cliams his stronghold is the south? Yeah right hahahahahah

I doubt it. NC has lost ALOT of jobs that Bush has done nothing about, plus he has ignored NC because we tend to always vote Republican. Edwards might not win everywhere in the South, but if he can pick up the Carolinas, Tennessee and Georgia that is 46 electoral votes there. Add that with the 87 that would be locks for Cali and New York and he is almost halfway there. Not to mention that Bush would be forced to spending alot of time campaigning in states that would be gimme's if Kerry got the nod...so he could very well lose alot of competitive states. Well, Kerry has a debate with Edwards coming up before Super Tuesday and if he can impress than who knows.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ClueLis

I was referring to the unofficial one. The official site is a bit better, but feels more like empty rhetoric than real statements of view.

Edwards' plan (PDF)

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ClueLis

I was referring to the unofficial one. The official site is a bit better, but feels more like empty rhetoric than real statements of view.

Edwards' plan (PDF)

That's not quite as good as Kerry's elect me because Bush is bad plan. Why people will vote for someone with no idea on where they stand is truly sad

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ClueLis

I was referring to the unofficial one. The official site is a bit better, but feels more like empty rhetoric than real statements of view.

Edwards' plan (PDF)

That's not quite as good as Kerry's elect me because Bush is bad plan. Why people will vote for someone with no idea on where they stand is truly sad

heh...no kidding.

There are still a few things in there with which I don't agree but, overall, he appears to be, imo, the best candidate of Bush, Kerry, Edwards, Nader.


And then there's this from one of his stops today:

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=4417463

By Christina Ling
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards, pushing plans to help working families save and buy homes, on Monday told trade union members worried about their jobs that he would fight for their dignity as well as their livelihoods.

The North Carolina senator, racing to catch front-runner John Kerry before a crucial March 2 "Super Tuesday" round of 10 contests, fielded questions from members of the Union of Needletrades, Industrial and Textile Employees and promised to raise the minimum wage and protect their jobs.

He said working families were going into debt and "the result of that is, if something goes wrong ... then the potential is they go right off the cliff," Edwards said.

Edwards, the son of a textile mill worker who was the first in his family to go to college, advocates a $5,000 tax credit for use as down payment on a home, with matching savings up to $1,000 and a program to crack down on predatory lenders.

"We need to lift more people out of poverty, for example, who are working for minimum wage, by significantly raising the minimum wage in this country," Edwards said.

UNITE member Omar Alexander, 59, told Edwards he wondered how he was going to retire after losing his job of 33 years at a company that moved to a foreign country. Agnes Wong urged him in halting English to "win for us" and "please make more jobs."

"What you and your family and all these families are going through every single day, I carry around inside me," Edwards said. "It has an effect on your dignity. I can see it in your face ... It's the reason I'm running for president."

Edwards is pushing hard in states like New York, Minnesota, Ohio and Georgia that have been hit by heavy job losses, promising to heal American divisions of wealth and race. He has taken to visiting at least three states a day to make up a major gap with Kerry, who has won 15 of the 17 contests so far in the race to find a challenger to President Bush.

Edwards' sole win was on Feb. 3 in his birth state of South Carolina.

Edwards is hoping for an endorsement from former rival Howard Dean, the ex-governor of Vermont who dropped out of the race last week. He has benefited in several states from the support of Dean's political organization and on Monday announced his endorsement by two leaders of the "Generation Dean" youth movement.

"We're going to do what we've got to do to get the word out for Edwards," Dean's former Ohio state coordinator Steve Chaffin told Reuters after endorsing him this week.

Edwards was due to travel to crucial heavyweight state Texas, which will vote on March 9, later on Monday and to California, a critical March 2 state, later this week.