Why There won't be Peace In the Middle East

[Aimster]

You can do your own research. Google is one click away.

Hezbollah launched rockets at Israel to stop them from invading. Israel knew they had the rockets and would use them. Hezbollah has never previously fired any of those rockets inside Israel. They were used to deter an invasion just like Israel has nuclear weapons to deter an invasion. When you invade Lebanon you deal with that risk. Just like if any other nation decided to invade Israel they face the risk of getting nuked.

So you are saying if a nation is being invaded they shouldn't retaliate by using their nukes? So if Israel was ever to be invaded then they should never use their nuclear missiles because in your own words that is barbaric and not justified.
"not how the world works" as you say"

I think NOT.

Hezbollah was created to get Israel out of Lebanon. It's goal is not to destroy Israel. It doesn't give .02 what happens inside Israel. Their mission is to defend their land. Not to gain more land that was never theirs to begin with

Hezbollah missiles worked. They stopped an Israel invasion.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Aimster
You can do your own research. Google is one click away.

I think NOT.

Hezbollah missiles worked. They stopped an Israel invasion.

1. Of course, why should I expect you to back your assertions.

2. The first true thing you ever said.

3. Nope, the United Nations did.


Fortunately not everyone thinks like you,
http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/05/lebano13921.htm

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde020252006



2500+ rockets aren't enough to warrant a lethal response for you? What was Israel to do when their CIVILIANS, who happen to be CHRISTIANS, MUSLIMS, JEWS, and probably other sects, to do? Just ignore it because it would be wrong to fight back?

 

[Aimster]

What the hell are you posting??

Israel was bombing Lebanon before Hezbollah fired any of their rockets into Israel. Israel was about to invade Lebanon and had their troops inside Lebanon before Hezbollah fired any of the rockets.

You strike us we strike you back just as hard. That is Hezbollah's policy.
You make it sound as if Hezbollah was firing those rockets long before any Israeli attack.

Like I said.. lack of knowledge on the topic. You are wasting your time.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Israel left Lebanon.
Hezbollah crossed the border after the incident in Gaza and went after Israeli soldiers. It was an encouraged transaction (admitted to by a Hezbollah leader) to test Israel.

When Israel responded, the fur flew.
Hezbollah ratcheted the conflict up another notch and Israel responded to a higher intensity.

Hezbollah needs to decide if they are going to control Lebanon - if so then all of Lebanon is fair game and Hezbollah MUST take the responsibly and consequences of their actions.

If Hezbollah does not want to be responsible then the Lebanon government must take the responsibility for Hezbollah actions or let Hezbollah accept the consequences of their actions.

Israel went into Lebanon to clean out a rats nest twice. They made no attempt to control the area unlike Syria. Each time Israel withdraw, the rats came back.
The first time, Lebanon did nothing, the second, Syria did nothing, and now the UN is doing nothing.

Israel has the responsibilities to protect it's citizens; they do not go around invading other countries unless backed into a corner or being provoked to the point where a buffer zone is needed.

Note that Egypt and Jordan have their areas under control and there are no problems.
Syria has there area under control because they are scared of Israel and do not want to trigger an incident.

Lebanon does not have control, nor does the Palestinian government - therefore there are incidents.

Syria is responsible for some of the incidents by encouraging and supporting the trouble makers. And sooner or later, Israel will launch a strike against those troublemakers that base themselves in Syria. They are just waiting for the proper trigger w/ undeniable evidence

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Israel left Lebanon.
Hezbollah crossed the border after the incident in Gaza and went after Israeli soldiers. It was an encourgaed transaction (admitted to by a Hezbollah leader) to test Israel.

When Israel responded, the fur flew.
Hezbollah racheted the conflict up another notch and Israel responded to a higher intensity.

Hezbopllah needs to decide if they are going to control Lebanon - if so then all of Lebanon is fair game and Hezbollah MUST take the responsibily and consequences of their actions.

If Hezbollah does not want to be responsible then the Lebanon government must take the responsiblity for Hezbollah's actions or let Hezbollah accept the consequences of their actions.

Israel went into Lebanon to clean out a rats nest twice. They made no attempt to control the area unlike Syria. Each time Israel withdraw, the rats came back.
The first time, Lebanon did nothing, the second, Syria did nothing, and now the UN is doing nothing.

Israel has the responsibilties to protect it's citizens; they do not go around invading other countries unless backed into a corner or being provoked to the point where a buffer zone is needed.

Note that Egype and Jordan have their areas under control and there are no problems.
Syria has there area under control because they are scared of Israel and do not want to trigger an incident.

Lebanon does not have control, nor does the Palestinian government - therefore there are incidents.

Syria is responsible for some of the incidents by encouraging and supporting the trouble makers. And sonner or later, Israel will launch a strike against those troublemakers that base themselves in Syria. They are just waiting for the proper trigger w/ undeniable evidence

You skipped 6 years of fighting between Israel and Hezbollah military forces. All the other PM of Israel responded to such Hezbollah violence with limited air strikes and artillery fire focused on Hezbollah positions. This new PM responded by Invading. Not only invading but punishing all of Lebanon.
-It was not always Hezbollah initiating attacks against Israeli forces. Israel was known to target Hezbollah positions prior to this incident. In fact Israel has the balls to fly F-16s right above the President of Syria's house.

Israel in the end accomplished nothing. They failed their mission and had to retreat because the military was not ready for such an invasion. If Israel had their way they would be controlling the South of Lebanon today.

Israel does have a right to protect their citizens. Their citizens were never in danger until the idiot PM of Israel decided to put them in danger. Israel knew exactly what Hezbollah possessed. Hezbollah made it clear those weapons would only be used if Israel repeated their invasion and tried to occupy Lebanon.
A soldier is not a civilian.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Aimster
What the hell are you posting??

Israel was bombing Lebanon before Hezbollah fired any of their rockets into Israel. Israel was about to invade Lebanon and had their troops inside Lebanon before Hezbollah fired any of the rockets.

You strike us we strike you back just as hard. That is Hezbollah's policy.
You make it sound as if Hezbollah was firing those rockets long before any Israeli attack.

Like I said.. lack of knowledge on the topic. You are wasting your time.

Sorry, not true. Hezbollah even stated they started the last issue. Oh well, at least I provide links to back my assertions. When can we expect the same of you? If its too difficult I can give you a primer on cut and paste and how to use a web browser.

lack of knowledge? ahahahaha, who is providing backing links for their posts? WHO? Certainly not you.

what's next, going to call me a fascist or a nazi?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: Aimster
What the hell are you posting??

Israel was bombing Lebanon before Hezbollah fired any of their rockets into Israel. Israel was about to invade Lebanon and had their troops inside Lebanon before Hezbollah fired any of the rockets.

You strike us we strike you back just as hard. That is Hezbollah's policy.
You make it sound as if Hezbollah was firing those rockets long before any Israeli attack.

Like I said.. lack of knowledge on the topic. You are wasting your time.

Sorry, not true. Hezbollah even stated they started the last issue. Oh well, at least I provide links to back my assertions. When can we expect the same of you? If its too difficult I can give you a primer on cut and paste and how to use a web browser.

lack of knowledge? ahahahaha, who is providing backing links for their posts? WHO? Certainly not you.

what's next, going to call me a fascist or a nazi?

& what part of my statement do you have a problem with?

Do you even read the links you posted?
It just talks about rocket attacks on Israel.
What the hell does that prove?

Nobody in this thread is denying rocket attacks on Israel.
It sounds as if you are trying so hard you have lost control of what it is you are trying to prove.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Aimster


& what part of my statement do you have a problem with?

That you will not back your assertions with any links? Maybe you should go on the comedy circut, being able to talk out your ass and think your serious could make you big bucks.

Links please. Like I said, I can help you learn how to back your assertions with links, I can help with cut and paste, and I might be able to help with typing too. Don't ask for spelling help.


Links please.

 

[Aimster]

links to what?

If you got a problem with something I said then point it out and I will prove you wrong if you ask nicely.

I know for a fact what I am talking about. You might disagree with me, but my facts are accurate.

All you did was post links about rocket attacks (one of the links I posted before you!)

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel bombed the Christians as well. Go on say something negative about the Christians. Almost 50% of Lebanon is Christian

You really are a waste of time.

NYTimes:

...
?Hezbollah came to Ain Ebel to shoot its rockets,? said Fayad Hanna Amar, a young Christian man, referring to his village. ?They are shooting from between our houses.?

?Please,?? he added, ?write that in your newspaper.?
...
Many Christians from Ramesh and Ain Ebel considered Hezbollah?s fighting methods as much of an outrage as the Israeli strikes. Mr. Amar said Hezbollah fighters in groups of two and three had come into Ain Ebel, less than a mile from Bint Jbail, where most of the fighting has occurred. They were using it as a base to shoot rockets, he said, and the Israelis fired back.

One woman, who would not give her name because she had a government job and feared retribution, said Hezbollah fighters had killed a man who was trying to leave Bint Jbail.

?This is what?s happening, but no one wants to say it? for fear of Hezbollah, she said.

Hezbollah was created to get Israel out of Lebanon. It's goal is not to destroy Israel. It doesn't give .02 what happens inside Israel. Their mission is to defend their land. Not to gain more land that was never theirs to begin with

Thick as a plank.

You skipped 6 years of fighting between Israel and Hezbollah military forces. All the other PM of Israel responded to such Hezbollah violence with limited air strikes and artillery fire focused on Hezbollah positions.

What's your point?

Does past lack of willingness to take firm action somehow restricts future prime ministers?
There comes a point when you say enough.

Israel does have a right to protect their citizens. Their citizens were never in danger until the idiot PM of Israel decided to put them in danger. Israel knew exactly what Hezbollah possessed. Hezbollah made it clear those weapons would only be used if Israel repeated their invasion and tried to occupy Lebanon.

This must be one of your most moronic comments to date, as you very well know they launched rockets into the northern towns during the kidnapping incident.

Come on -- explain to us how that does not put civilians in danger.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Aimster

You skipped 6 years of fighting between Israel and Hezbollah military forces. All the other PM of Israel responded to such Hezbollah violence with limited air strikes and artillery fire focused on Hezbollah positions. This new PM responded by Invading. Not only invading but punishing all of Lebanon.
-It was not always Hezbollah initiating attacks against Israeli forces. Israel was known to target Hezbollah positions prior to this incident. In fact Israel has the balls to fly F-16s right above the President of Syria's house.

Israel in the end accomplished nothing. They failed their mission and had to retreat because the military was not ready for such an invasion. If Israel had their way they would be controlling the South of Lebanon today.

Israel does have a right to protect their citizens. Their citizens were never in danger until the idiot PM of Israel decided to put them in danger. Israel knew exactly what Hezbollah possessed. Hezbollah made it clear those weapons would only be used if Israel repeated their invasion and tried to occupy Lebanon.
A soldier is not a civilian.

Hezbollah invaded Israel to capture a soldier.
It was a way to measure what the Israel response would be after the response to the Gaza incident.

As was stated by Hezbollah afterwards, it was a deliberate attempt to guage the response of Israel and they (Hezbollah) miscalculated.

Israel was not interested in controlling Southern Lebanon, jsut to remove the rats.
Yes they were not also ready or prepared to do a proper invasion, but that was a choice of the government. Hezbollah was prepared to fight back without regards to any civilian damage that was caused. They attempted to minimize their own casualties by using civilian infrastructre to hide behind, hoping that Israel woiuld back off because of the civilians.

What Israel accomplished to to have a buffer zone established to prevent Hezbollah from launching attacks against Israel and also expose to the world the support that was being provided by Iran and Syria despite assurances from those countrys that they were not providing assistance.

what the previous PMs of Israel did was to accept the rocket fire and attempt to retaliate in kind.
Hezbollah decided to invade, Israel decided that enough is enough. No more turning the other cheek. Had Israel allowed such an incursion to occur, what would have been the next incident done by Hezbollah/Syria. The whole situation was planned to see what they could get away with.

Just like a little kid talking back to the parents - sooner or later the rules have to be layed down and ENFORCED.

 

[Aimster]

The stakes are high for Hizbullah, but it seems it can count on an unprecedented swell of public support that cuts across sectarian lines.According to a poll released by the Beirut Center for Research and Information, 87 percent of Lebanese support Hizbullah's fight with Israel, a rise of 29 percent on a similar poll conducted in February. More striking, however, is the level of support for Hizbullah's resistance from non-Shiite communities. Eighty percent of Christians polled supported Hizbullah along with 80 percent of Druze and 89 percent of Sunnis.
-http://www.beirutcenter.info/
-http://www.mideastmonitor.org/issues/0609/0609_6.htm

The rest of your post dna is nothing but rambling.

 

[imported_dna]

Aimster, you've proved again to be clueless and a Hezbollah sympathizer.

You have repetitively put the onus on Israel no matter what, but this latest remark has sealed the deal:

Their citizens were never in danger until the idiot PM of Israel decided to put them in danger.

Apparently Hezbollah can do no wrong, and Israel should've just kept on taking katyusha attacks just because it was the status quo for a while.

It doesn't matter what people in Lebanon think of Hezbollah -- what matters is their actions towards Israel.

 

[Aimster]

Yes I am a Hezbollah sympathizer
I wave a Hezbollah flag and wear it around my head whenever I go out

That is me.

Ive put down Hezbollah numerous times in this thread. If you bothered to actually read anything I posted, I posted a link showing Hezbollah brutality in using cluster bombs right after I posted a link showing Israeli brutality using cluster bombs.

Unlike YOU, I am not biased towards anyone.

 

[imported_dna]

I see you're affirming your neutrality like Narmer.

Funny thing is that the conflict with Hezbollah has so many parallels with the conflict with the Palestinians: the Palestinians/Hezbollah launch an attack aimed at civilians, and Israel responds with a targeted attack -- as reasonably possible -- against the perptrators.

However, no matter what happens, it is always Israel that needs to justify its action, while the other two merely need to claim they are doing it as a form of "resistance".

What can I say?
I am biased against those who target civilians on purpose in the name of a fictional cause.

 

[Aimster]

yeah that must be it.

Hezbollah was created because of a fictional cause right?
The Christians in Lebanon support them again because???

Yeah and comparing my views to Narmer's is a joke. I never said one good thing about anyone in this thread.
Go on if you find it show me.

 

[imported_dna]

Hezbolla's cause is first and foremost fictional, since -- as you very well know -- Israel is no longer in Lebanon.

If they were truly about "resistance" to foreign occupation, then they should've turned their attention to Syria once Israel was out.

Nevertheless, you're not in tune with the times, and are unaware that Hezbolla's cause has changed to destorying the eViL ZioNist state, thus invalidating many of your statements regarding their "rights"; aside from that, there is the issue of a state within a state, and your acceptance of them as a legitimate organization.

 

[Aimster]

So you know what Hezbollah's goals are now?
Amazing.

Prove them.
You cannot

 

[imported_dna]

Like I said: you are not in tune with the times.

Nasrallah has spoken plenty of times about the evil zionist, and about "supporting" the palestinians.

Like you said earlier: google is one click away.

 

[Aimster]

So he said they are evil zionist. Big deal.

Do you want him to say
"to peaceful zionist next to us who attack us, I want to give you a big kiss on the lips and rub my beard all over your belly"

 

[imported_dna]

Here you go Aimster: (link)

The future of Israel is death and perdition. The future of our nation is one of life, freedom, and regaining the holy places. Our martyrs inscribed in blood during the July-August war: Death to Israel.

Maybe you should contribute some of mommy's money to Hezbollah to support their social activities :laugh:

 

[Aimster]

their martyrs died holdings weapons not suicide vests.

So yeah. There you have it.

I mean after a bloody war , you always praise your enemy. You say you want to kiss them and send them flowers.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel does have a right to protect their citizens. Their citizens were never in danger until the idiot PM of Israel decided to put them in danger.

Hezbollah conducted a raid on Israel, killing soldiers and kidnapping two. Then Israel attacked, then the rockets were fired, then the UN stopped Israel thanks to Hezbollah supporters like you. Your lie is to say Israel started that.

Israel does have a right to protect their people, and that is done through responding to attacks.

Originally posted by: Aimster
Yes I am a Hezbollah sympathizer
I wave a Hezbollah flag and wear it around my head whenever I go out

You do not have to wave flags, their sympathy and ideals are much more important to fight for and carry around in your head. That is exactly what you do; you fight tooth and nail for them and their victory. You also lie to support them, as stated above.

 

[Aimster]

I also lie to support them? Show me where I lied.

I don't give .02 about Hezbollah or their cause. You can bomb the M.E to pieces and I won't care.

People who are fanatical wackos and post constantly biased towards one-side are easy targets for entertainment purposes.

Israel did not stop because of the UN. Give me a break. Israel bitch slaps the UN.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I don't give .02 about Hezbollah or their cause. You can bomb the M.E to pieces and I won't care.

There you go -- just like Narmer.