Why the US wants no part of the ICC

charrison

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Belgium wants to try Tommy Franks

Belgium is coming under pressure from the US to block a potentially explosive war crimes case against General Tommy Franks, commander of coalition forces in Iraq.
Jan Fermon, a Brussels lawyer, confirmed yesterday that 19 Iraqi plaintiffs were seeking to bring charges that would name the general and other US soldiers who had allegedly committed crimes.

Mr Fermon claimed there were 17 violations of Belgium's controversial 1993 war crimes law, which allowed universal jurisdiction until it was amended early this month.
 

HappyPuppy

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And I/we should worry about anything Belgium wants/thinks why?

Everybody and their brother is trying to get a photo-op.

As an aside, how do the propose to take Tommy Franks into custody in order to try him?:D I can just see the Belgium army invading the United States, declaring martial law and taking Franks, stripped naked and hands bound with nylon hand restraints, into custody. This is material for a movie. Oops, the book was written a long time ago.
 

Rastus

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There are a lot of European nations that Henry Kissinger will not travel to for that reason.
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
And I/we should worry about anything Belgium wants/thinks why?

Everybody and their brother is trying to get a photo-op.

As an aside, how do the propose to take Tommy Franks into custody in order to try him?:D I can just see the Belgium army invading the United States, declaring martial law and taking Franks, stripped naked and hands bound with nylon hand restraints, into custody. This is material for a movie. Oops, the book was written a long time ago.

They can only be arrested if they come to Belgium, that's why there was that big hoo hah when Sharon was (rightfully IMHO) declared a war criminal by a Belgian court.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
And I/we should worry about anything Belgium wants/thinks why?

Everybody and their brother is trying to get a photo-op.

As an aside, how do the propose to take Tommy Franks into custody in order to try him?:D I can just see the Belgium army invading the United States, declaring martial law and taking Franks, stripped naked and hands bound with nylon hand restraints, into custody. This is material for a movie. Oops, the book was written a long time ago.

They can only be arrested if they come to Belgium, that's why there was that big hoo hah when Sharon was (rightfully IMHO) declared a war criminal by a Belgian court.

Sharon is war criminal because?
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
And I/we should worry about anything Belgium wants/thinks why?

Everybody and their brother is trying to get a photo-op.

As an aside, how do the propose to take Tommy Franks into custody in order to try him?:D I can just see the Belgium army invading the United States, declaring martial law and taking Franks, stripped naked and hands bound with nylon hand restraints, into custody. This is material for a movie. Oops, the book was written a long time ago.

They can only be arrested if they come to Belgium, that's why there was that big hoo hah when Sharon was (rightfully IMHO) declared a war criminal by a Belgian court.

Sharon is war criminal because?

The Shabra and Shatila massacres of unarmed Palestinian refugees by Lebanese Christian Militants who were let in by the invading Israeli army (who did not intervene to stop the killing). Even an Israeli court found Sharon indirectly responsible in that he knew what could happen and did nothing to prevent it.
 

Martin

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
And I/we should worry about anything Belgium wants/thinks why?

Everybody and their brother is trying to get a photo-op.

As an aside, how do the propose to take Tommy Franks into custody in order to try him?:D I can just see the Belgium army invading the United States, declaring martial law and taking Franks, stripped naked and hands bound with nylon hand restraints, into custody. This is material for a movie. Oops, the book was written a long time ago.

They can only be arrested if they come to Belgium, that's why there was that big hoo hah when Sharon was (rightfully IMHO) declared a war criminal by a Belgian court.

Sharon is war criminal because?

He's been accused of doing some nastry stuff, and I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibilities. I would not mind seeing him investigated and convicted if the accusations are true.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
And I/we should worry about anything Belgium wants/thinks why?

Everybody and their brother is trying to get a photo-op.

As an aside, how do the propose to take Tommy Franks into custody in order to try him?:D I can just see the Belgium army invading the United States, declaring martial law and taking Franks, stripped naked and hands bound with nylon hand restraints, into custody. This is material for a movie. Oops, the book was written a long time ago.

They can only be arrested if they come to Belgium, that's why there was that big hoo hah when Sharon was (rightfully IMHO) declared a war criminal by a Belgian court.

Sharon is war criminal because?

The Shabra and Shatila massacres of unarmed Palestinian refugees by Lebanese Christian Militants who were let in by the invading Israeli army (who did not intervene to stop the killing). Even an Israeli court found Sharon indirectly responsible in that he knew what could happen and did nothing to prevent it.

Has the Belgium court found the Lebanese Christian Militants responsable of war crimes, as they are the ones really responsable.
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
And I/we should worry about anything Belgium wants/thinks why?

Everybody and their brother is trying to get a photo-op.

As an aside, how do the propose to take Tommy Franks into custody in order to try him?:D I can just see the Belgium army invading the United States, declaring martial law and taking Franks, stripped naked and hands bound with nylon hand restraints, into custody. This is material for a movie. Oops, the book was written a long time ago.

They can only be arrested if they come to Belgium, that's why there was that big hoo hah when Sharon was (rightfully IMHO) declared a war criminal by a Belgian court.

Sharon is war criminal because?

The Shabra and Shatila massacres of unarmed Palestinian refugees by Lebanese Christian Militants who were let in by the invading Israeli army (who did not intervene to stop the killing). Even an Israeli court found Sharon indirectly responsible in that he knew what could happen and did nothing to prevent it.

Has the Belgium court found the Lebanese Christian Militants responsable of war crimes, as they are the ones really responsable.

I don't know, but it would make sense to try the leaders of the militants, I don't think they could track every single person involved. I have no sympathy for Sharon, his actions in the occupied territories are enough to have him thoroughly investigated for war crimes IMO.

 

drewshin

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Has the Belgium court found the Lebanese Christian Militants responsable of war crimes, as they are the ones really responsable.

no, because sharon was responsible.

 

Fencer128

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Unfortunately, the problem with justice for all is that it is often applied. That doesn't mean to say that if the above ever happened the case wouldn't be thrown out/realised for being a load of rubbish very quickly.

Andy
 

Corn

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no, because sharon was responsible.

So, essentially what you are saying is that even though Sharon had no direct control over the murderers and that they acted on their own accord, simply because he didn't prevent the murders from happening, the murderers are not responsible, but Sharon is, right?

I expect the chief of police in say, Detroit, to be tried and held responsible for murder. It is a known fact that murder is going to happen, possibly even this very second, but since it is not being prevented, he is responsible and should be tried as a murderer, and the real murderer is not responsible.
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LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: Corn
no, because sharon was responsible.

So, essentially what you are saying is that even though Sharon had no direct control over the murderers and that they acted on their own accord, simply because he didn't prevent the murders from happening, the murderers are not responsible, but Sharon is, right?

I expect the chief of police in say, Detroit, to be tried and held responsible for murder. It is a known fact that murder is going to happen, possibly even this very second, but since it is not being prevented, he is responsible and should be tried as a murderer, and the real murderer is not responsible.
rolleye.gif

No one said that. The people who purpetrated the crime are directly responsible. An Israeli court found Sharon indirectly responsible. And yes, if the chief of police knew when a murder was going to happen, who was going to commit it, and then allowed his officers to open the gate to the persons house and stand around without intervening, he would be responsible for murder. I think any other court would have found Sharon directly responsible, I don't think the Israeli's were ready to accept that a Jew might be responsible for war crimes.
 

Corn

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No one said that.

Dude, you really need to catch up on your remedial reading skills. Time after time, in thread after thread, you display your functional illiteracy!

Charisson said:

Has the Belgium court found the Lebanese Christian Militants responsable of war crimes, as they are the ones really responsable.

Drewshin then replied:

no, because sharon was responsible.

Yes, someone did say that.
 

Fencer128

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Who is more guilty - the man who kills, or than man who knew it could happen and allowed for it?

Aren't we argueing semantics?

Andy
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: Corn
No one said that.

Dude, you really need to catch up on your remedial reading skills. Time after time, in thread after thread, you display your functional illiteracy!

Charisson said:

Has the Belgium court found the Lebanese Christian Militants responsable of war crimes, as they are the ones really responsable.

Drewshin then replied:

no, because sharon was responsible.

Yes, someone did say that.

I was responding to the second part, the part that goes:

So, essentially what you are saying is that even though Sharon had no direct control over the murderers and that they acted on their own accord, simply because he didn't prevent the murders from happening, the murderers are not responsible, but Sharon is, right?

I expect the chief of police in say, Detroit, to be tried and held responsible for murder. It is a known fact that murder is going to happen, possibly even this very second, but since it is not being prevented, he is responsible and should be tried as a murderer, and the real murderer is not responsible.

That's why I quoted it. Maybe you need to polish up on your readig skills. Buy Hooked on Phonics and pull your head out of your ass.
 

freegeeks

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Who gives a friggen flip what a Belgium court thinks?

LOL -

Well, you sure like the opinion from the Muscles From Brussels in your sigh. We Belgians are so happy that we were able to export a retard like Jean-Claude Vandamme to the USA.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Who gives a friggen flip what a Belgium court thinks?

LOL -

Well, you sure like the opinion from the Muscles From Brussels in your sigh. We Belgians are so happy that a retard like Jean-Claude Vandamme leaves for the USA.

huh? what does Vandamme have to do with your court system?

 

freegeeks

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huh? what does Vandamme have to do with your court system?

nothing at all.

Personally I think it's funny that you are bashing our court system and the same time you have a sigh from a Belgian retard. You obviously care what he thinks

whatever floats your boat I guess