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Why the opposition to btx?

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spazo

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If the cases do in fact cool better, why do so many people want to see it die? Sure, its pushed forward by Intel but sooner or later, even AMD will run into thermal problems if techonology is going on at this rate.
 
motherboards, cpus, video cards, monitors, etc. they all get old...a case is just another thing that you would want to hold on to for as long as you can before it is obsolete.
 
No need for BTX at this time. When its time comes something will happen - maybe BTX, maybe something else. People have billions tied up in ATX mfring lines, test beds, tools and dies for cases, etc. HUUUUGE intertia. It'll take a lot more than forty acres to turn this rig around...

.bh.
 
I also think it has to do with recent road maps and track records Intel has set in the past and present. Example: WTX formFactor. I was the early adopter to it with the Addtronics 8500 chassis. Where is it now?
 
Originally posted by: ReMeDy{WcS}
I also think it has to do with recent road maps and track records Intel has set in the past and present. Example: WTX formFactor. I was the early adopter to it with the Addtronics 8500 chassis. Where is it now?
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On WTX, I was under the impression that these days there isn't much demand for mainboard sizes larger than 12"x13", so one of the big(gest?) selling factors of WTX became a moot point. The only ones I can think of are the quad Opteron boards that measure 13x16" - I'm not sure if those require a WTX case or not. 😕
 
Primary selling points of BTX are temp and noise, both of which are non-issues with the current ATX boards. If they can cool notebooks, then you can be sure that there will not be a thermal issue with ATX.

Another stupid attempt by Intel to create another standard to generate more sale.
 
BTX doesn't work for AMD because the distance between the CPU socket and RAM slots is too long for the Athlon 64's integrated memory controller. I agree BTX is smarter about heat and airflow management, but I see Intel pushing this because of the heat problems with Prescott.
 
The latest CPUs and GPUs actuall run cooler than their older models. 90nm A64 vs. 130nm A64 and 7800GTX vs. 6800U.

BTX isn't needed yet.
 
I've got the acclaimed "BTX" case though...the case that places your motherboard upside down so you can pretend you have BTX 🙂. Apparently it's supposed to offer better cooling (the CPU is right up against the exhaust) but it doesn't affect it at all. But I fvcking love this case, everything is so accesible, and having the video card face UPWARDs is so much sweeter. I mean, what's the point of having a sweet looking HSF if you can't see it? 😛
 
After building my own case, i know first hand that atx is a poor layout.. but btx does not seem like a big improvement to me.
 
Because case manufacturers don't want to develop for a form factor that there's no sales history or demand for

AND

Intel can't sell btx boards in volume cause there's only 2 cases out for BTX last time I checked (Aopen and Evercase).

Chicken and the egg...

Should be an interesting choice in the future for HTPC style cases though, since a friend who built one said that now his hard drive is the loudest noise he can hear.
 
i am building a btx machine. i mean i think its basically better in every way, just no one wants to spend the money to upgrade yet.

it is slowly gaining momentum though. coolermaster just released a minibtx case, inwin has some available, chenrbo has one out, and there is aopen and evercase, plus the coolermaster / thermaltake stacker. and antec is developing one which was shown at a show a while back.

its going to happen either way. i mean, why NOT have the better cooling quieter case. there is a gateway machine out there that with the btx air tunnel can passively cool a 6800ultra its reviewed on hardocp.

i mean really that is pretty nice. and even if amd doesnt NEED it, it would be nice to have it. i meen i probably only need a toyota but if you give me a lexus thats better.
 
That's good to see an AMD BTX board. The routing was no doubt an issue, but it looks like they have managed to engineer around it. I have seen a psuedo-BTX Dell box, and it is pretty nice how it manages to cool everything with one big quiet fan.
 
i bet once computer companies get ahold of my case design
Case
inside

you will see a lot of cases with this layout. I can guarantee that it cools better than anyone elses case
 
also, btx has flaws, it was designed around a preconceived notion of case layout, it could easily be improved. it is just a stupid intermediate 'standard' that will be replaced by a truely better layout soon(i hope) and it should never have been created in the first place
 
Originally posted by: alexXx
i bet once computer companies get ahold of my case design
Case
inside

you will see a lot of cases with this layout. I can guarantee that it cools better than anyone elses case
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actually if you flip that case upside down and put an exhaust fan in the back its basically btx.
 
well not really, but the problem is that they designed btx around an atx case but they changed the bloody thing so atx and btx arent compatible. There is NO REASON to be confined to the layout of a normal case, there are far better ways to organize stuff instead of the front lower/rear upper fans/ps at the top, drives at the front.

If you are making a new standard you should make it work right, not some 2bit hack
 
Originally posted by: spazo
If the cases do in fact cool better, why do so many people want to see it die? Sure, its pushed forward by Intel but sooner or later, even AMD will run into thermal problems if techonology is going on at this rate.
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I don't want to see BTX die, I just don't want it forced down my throat. Intel is acting like the proverbial bull in a china shop in this. Heck, I don't even use their CPU's. 😉 Instead of blindly supporting BTX based on all sorts of dire predictions, that may or may not come true, just let the market decide, spazo.

 
i would like to have someone tell me how btx is any better than designing an atx case to blow air from the front on to the heatsink. this may require dimension adjustsment of hwere the hds and cd drives are, but i can guarantee that it would cool as well as btx.
 
Originally posted by: alexXx
i would like to have someone tell me how btx is any better than designing an atx case to blow air from the front on to the heatsink. this may require dimension adjustsment of hwere the hds and cd drives are, but i can guarantee that it would cool as well as btx.
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well i think btx isnt just that. a lot of it is all the rules. that the cpu HAS to be in a certain position. it has to have the mounts for the extra large heatsinks, etc etc.


even if you had an atx case like htat and a specially designed atx motherboard, not everyone would follow it and it would ruin the whole point of having a standard.

btx is like atx with well real standards for the right way to do it for cooling.
 
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