Why the Maryland Senate Race is THE surprise of 2006

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: Tab
I just don't understand why he's winning, Lamont must suck or something.

Bingo.

OT: This hype about the democrats possibly regaining control of congress can only work out in the republicans favor. If the democrats gain control of atleast the house then the hype was right. If they gain control of neither then the republicans will be out in full force claiming victory.

Lieberman is an extremely effective politician. After the primary loss he scrapped his entire team, accepted tons of back-door support from Lowe and mega-bucks from GOP sources. He has been running nearly non-stop dirty ads (he has accused Lamont originally of being a closet Republican, then a far left wacko, etc. etc.). Lieberman will probably weasel his way back in, to the deteriment of the citizens of CT who deserve a Senator who will actually represent the state.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
As I pointed out in the OP Steele is most likely NOT going to win.

However, even a 5-10 point loss would be an amazing achievement.
In the last three Senate races the Democrat won by 30+ points in each of them.

The last races you're comparing were incumbents who have served in that same position for decades.
Paul Sarbanes since the 70's...

It's not much of a suprise to not see a 30+ point margin when both candidates are new.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: totalcommand
Unfortunately, whites are adverse to voting for minorities, so the gain might not be as much as you think, when you consider how many Republicans he will lose. Maryland Republicans are not the same Republicans of Alabama, Georgia, and the rest of the South.

I think it's the other way around buddy.
Maryland is a very tolerant state, unlike Alabama, Missippi, Georgia, and the rest.
Rednecks in those states won't vote for a black person like Condy even if their life depended on it.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: Tab
I just don't understand why he's winning, Lamont must suck or something.

Bingo.

OT: This hype about the democrats possibly regaining control of congress can only work out in the republicans favor. If the democrats gain control of atleast the house then the hype was right. If they gain control of neither then the republicans will be out in full force claiming victory.

Lieberman is an extremely effective politician. After the primary loss he scrapped his entire team, accepted tons of back-door support from Lowe and mega-bucks from GOP sources. He has been running nearly non-stop dirty ads (he has accused Lamont originally of being a closet Republican, then a far left wacko, etc. etc.). Lieberman will probably weasel his way back in, to the deteriment of the citizens of CT who deserve a Senator who will actually represent the state.

The Problem with Lamont is what are his plans for other things?
All I keep hearing him talk about is "Iraq". Does he talk about any other issue besides Iraq?

How will Lamont represent CT more than Lieberman in *other* issues besides Iraq?

I don't live in CT, I haven't seen the ads or watched their debates so I basically don't know anything about Lamont.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: totalcommand
Unfortunately, whites are adverse to voting for minorities, so the gain might not be as much as you think, when you consider how many Republicans he will lose. Maryland Republicans are not the same Republicans of Alabama, Georgia, and the rest of the South.

I think it's the other way around buddy.
Maryland is a very tolerant state, unlike Alabama, Missippi, Georgia, and the rest.
Rednecks in those states won't vote for a black person like Condy even if their life depended on it.

Um that's exactly my point. Neither Steele nor Condi stand a chance with the Repub base.

 

[Lemon law]

For what its worth dept.

This morning ---Meet the Press devoted a full hour to a Steele Cardin debate.

As someone not from Maryland I have not closely followed the issues of contention between the two.

In MHO, neither candidate seemed to get it---but I really turned anti-Steele on the issue of stem cells. When Russert asked Steele a question that really came down to the heart of the moral debate
on the stem cell issues---the Steele answer was "I have not really thought about it."

Yet he takes a strong stand on an issue he does not even think about.

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: Lothar
The Problem with Lamont is what are his plans for other things?
All I keep hearing him talk about is "Iraq". Does he talk about any other issue besides Iraq?

How will Lamont represent CT more than Lieberman in *other* issues besides Iraq?

I don't live in CT, I haven't seen the ads or watched their debates so I basically don't know anything about Lamont.

One of the main things that hurt Lieberman was the general perception that a rock could represent CT better than he has done in the last eight years or so. Lieberman's schtick is all about being a national politician, CT is just a place he visits once in a while. Lieberman's true priorities put his representation of himself and then Israel way ahead of any concerns about CT. If the GOP hadn't totally abandoned it's senatorial candidate (running about 4-5% in the polls, has raised about $250,000 with no money from the national organization-in a race where Lieberman and Lamont have spent a combined total of over $25,000,000 to date) then we would have a race. GWB and Dick Cheney very much want Lieberman in the Senate.

Lamont has raised a number of other issues as well-such as health care, homeland security, etc., but admittedly his main focus is Iraq.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
For what its worth dept.

This morning ---Meet the Press devoted a full hour to a Steele Cardin debate.

As someone not from Maryland I have not closely followed the issues of contention between the two.

In MHO, neither candidate seemed to get it---but I really turned anti-Steele on the issue of stem cells. When Russert asked Steele a question that really came down to the heart of the moral debate
on the stem cell issues---the Steele answer was "I have not really thought about it."

Yet he takes a strong stand on an issue he does not even think about.

Stem cells is what made me turn anti-Steele too...
How dare him compare it to Nazi experimentation.

His speech(yes, I taped it) at the RNC in 2004 also turned me off.

Steele is nothing but a political tool. He isn't an "independent" thinker like he claims to be.
He'll still vote for any neocon agenda.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: Lothar
The Problem with Lamont is what are his plans for other things?
All I keep hearing him talk about is "Iraq". Does he talk about any other issue besides Iraq?

How will Lamont represent CT more than Lieberman in *other* issues besides Iraq?

I don't live in CT, I haven't seen the ads or watched their debates so I basically don't know anything about Lamont.

One of the main things that hurt Lieberman was the general perception that a rock could represent CT better than he has done in the last eight years or so. Lieberman's schtick is all about being a national politician, CT is just a place he visits once in a while. Lieberman's true priorities put his representation of himself and then Israel way ahead of any concerns about CT. If the GOP hadn't totally abandoned it's senatorial candidate (running about 4-5% in the polls, has raised about $250,000 with no money from the national organization-in a race where Lieberman and Lamont have spent a combined total of over $25,000,000 to date) then we would have a race. GWB and Dick Cheney very much want Lieberman in the Senate.

Lamont has raised a number of other issues as well-such as health care, homeland security, etc., but admittedly his main focus is Iraq.

So basically he stands the same with Lieberman on every issue besides Iraq?

 

[nageov3t]

I loved the Steele: Democrat bumper stickers and how hard he tried to run away from Bush. :laugh:

I wonder what Leiberman would do if it came down to his being a democrat or independant upsetting the balance of the senate in the dems favor.

 

[LEDominator]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Lemon law
For what its worth dept.

This morning ---Meet the Press devoted a full hour to a Steele Cardin debate.

As someone not from Maryland I have not closely followed the issues of contention between the two.

In MHO, neither candidate seemed to get it---but I really turned anti-Steele on the issue of stem cells. When Russert asked Steele a question that really came down to the heart of the moral debate
on the stem cell issues---the Steele answer was "I have not really thought about it."

Yet he takes a strong stand on an issue he does not even think about.

Stem cells is what made me turn anti-Steele too...
How dare him compare it to Nazi experimentation.

His speech(yes, I taped it) at the RNC in 2004 also turned me off.

Steele is nothing but a political tool. He isn't an "independent" thinker like he claims to be.
He'll still vote for any neocon agenda.

Because you can only be an independant thinker if you are a liberal... :roll: Considering the fact that he has gone against the majority of those in the African-American community he seems pretty independant to me. It takes balls to go against cultural pressure.

 

[senseamp]

Steele called Bush his "homeboy." He has no chance in MD.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Vich
Maybe the reason Steele is winning is because Maryland is one of the most heavily african american populated states, by proportion to its size. Baltimore itself is like 70% african american.

Shadow if you are reading this thread please take note and add it to your sig that I am from Maryland, a heavily african american populated state. And yes I am white.

Good to know. Maryland is a tough call for me. It is close to civilization in some areas, and extreme farm country in others. I adopted my then abused dog from the farm part : (. We turned him around though...

 

[Lemon law]

What I don't understand is what rock the Republicans look under to find their afro-American candidates---often people like Rice--or Thomas---and to a lesser extent Steele---who must have been drinking some powerful neo-con or far right waco moonshine kool aid to qualify for their republican country club membership.

And the democratic model is someone like Obama. Whose very intellect earns him a front row podium in any debate.---and missing from his vocabulary is the political spin party hacks relie on. I even miss Cythia McKinney---certainly no Uncle Tom---and whip smart--in just two questions she owned Rumsfeld.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
What I don't understand is what rock the Republicans look under to find their afro-American candidates---often people like Rice--or Thomas---and to a lesser extent Steele---who must have been drinking some powerful neo-con or far right waco moonshine kool aid to qualify for their republican country club membership.

And the democratic model is someone like Obama. Whose very intellect earns him a front row podium in any debate.---and missing from his vocabulary is the political spin party hacks relie on. I even miss Cythia McKinney---certainly no Uncle Tom---and whip smart--in just two questions she owned Rumsfeld.

So black Republicans are stupid, while black Democrats are genius? Nice view you have there.

 

[Lemon law]

Non-prof John,

I sure don't consider Ford a genius--but he is still no Uncle Tom---and Jefferson is just a crook---but still--on a whole--afro Americans in the republican party seem to run far to the right of the party as a whole.---the price of admission to the so called big tent-- Not many moderates in that bunch.---deny it if you care to---but the trend still holds.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: LEDominator

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Lemon law
For what its worth dept.

This morning ---Meet the Press devoted a full hour to a Steele Cardin debate.

As someone not from Maryland I have not closely followed the issues of contention between the two.

In MHO, neither candidate seemed to get it---but I really turned anti-Steele on the issue of stem cells. When Russert asked Steele a question that really came down to the heart of the moral debate
on the stem cell issues---the Steele answer was "I have not really thought about it."

Yet he takes a strong stand on an issue he does not even think about.

Stem cells is what made me turn anti-Steele too...
How dare him compare it to Nazi experimentation.

His speech(yes, I taped it) at the RNC in 2004 also turned me off.

Steele is nothing but a political tool. He isn't an "independent" thinker like he claims to be.
He'll still vote for any neocon agenda.

Because you can only be an independant thinker if you are a liberal... :roll: Considering the fact that he has gone against the majority of those in the African-American community he seems pretty independant to me. It takes balls to go against cultural pressure.

When I find an "independent" republican thinker who won't act like a "Chinese communist party rubber stamp" to give Bush a Carte Blanche on everything he wants, I'll gladly vote for one.

 

[LEDominator]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: LEDominator

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Lemon law
For what its worth dept.

This morning ---Meet the Press devoted a full hour to a Steele Cardin debate.

As someone not from Maryland I have not closely followed the issues of contention between the two.

In MHO, neither candidate seemed to get it---but I really turned anti-Steele on the issue of stem cells. When Russert asked Steele a question that really came down to the heart of the moral debate
on the stem cell issues---the Steele answer was "I have not really thought about it."

Yet he takes a strong stand on an issue he does not even think about.

Stem cells is what made me turn anti-Steele too...
How dare him compare it to Nazi experimentation.

His speech(yes, I taped it) at the RNC in 2004 also turned me off.

Steele is nothing but a political tool. He isn't an "independent" thinker like he claims to be.
He'll still vote for any neocon agenda.

Because you can only be an independant thinker if you are a liberal... :roll: Considering the fact that he has gone against the majority of those in the African-American community he seems pretty independant to me. It takes balls to go against cultural pressure.

When I find an "independent" republican thinker who won't act like a "Chinese communist party rubber stamp" to give Bush a Carte Blanche on everything he wants, I'll gladly vote for one.

I didn't ask you to vote for him, I am merely pointing out that one persons independant thinker is anothers conformist. For example I could say Howard Dean is a typical democrat who espouses leftist doctrine. My point is that before you start putting labels on people you should think about it. Its one of those "One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist" sort of things.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Non-prof John,

I sure don't consider Ford a genius--but he is still no Uncle Tom---and Jefferson is just a crook---but still--on a whole--afro Americans in the republican party seem to run far to the right of the party as a whole.---the price of admission to the so called big tent-- Not many moderates in that bunch.---deny it if you care to---but the trend still holds.

One name : Alan Keyes.

 

[Lemon law]

Again---for what its worth dept---listened to Rush this afternoon on the radio----and the Rush pronouncement is in---Steele won the debate with Cardin.
No doubt about it in Rush's mind.

People of Maryland---you now have your instructions---make it happen----you would not want to be on Rush's little list would you?---no telling what he will say about
the State of Maryland if you disappointed Limbaugh

 

[senseamp]

Looks like Virginia will be THE surprise of 2006.
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2006/10/george_allen_in_trouble.html

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Looks like Cardin has this wrapped up. So much for one of PJ's many optimistic predictions about today's elections.

 

[Lemon law]

The other must hold state---NJ has already broken for the democrats---so in the places where a dem seat could go repub---its zero for two for the Repubs.

As I write this VA is too close to call

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Looks like Cardin has this wrapped up. So much for one of PJ's many optimistic predictions about today's elections.

I'm just curious, how does Cardin have it wrapped up with only 7 percent of the precincts reporting?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: DonVito
Looks like Cardin has this wrapped up. So much for one of PJ's many optimistic predictions about today's elections.

I'm just curious, how does Cardin have it wrapped up with only 7 percent of the precincts reporting?

The same way we predict national population, or study wildlife dynamics. It's called statistics. Sign up now at your local community college.

Is Proffy going to come back and enjoy his humble pie, or is he just going to split?