Why the Democrats will lose in '04..

[FrodoB]

NEGATIVITY. Simple as that. The current crop of Democrats... presidential cadidates, senators, reps.. are always speaking negatively about the country in general, the president, religion, eachother. It sounds so basic and silly, but if you really listen to them, the Democrats never have anything POSITIVE to say. It's painful to listen to them, and I think many people are beginning to feel the same way.
The Democrat messages seem so sinister lately.... we should let the government run our lives because we're not capable to make good decisions... we should abandon our core beliefs about God, life and morality and embrace atheism, reward the lazy and punish the achievers... allow dicators and terrorists free reign in this world... solve past and current racial injustices by reverse discrimination... social engineering through the courts against the majority's beliefs... the list goes on. Who wants this kind of life?? Not I. Not many people. Obviously the Republicans are incredibly far from perfect, but unfortunately they are the lesser of the two evils nowadays.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: FrodoB
NEGATIVITY. Simple as that. The current crop of Democrats... presidential cadidates, senators, reps.. are always speaking negatively about the country in general, the president, religion, eachother. It sounds so basic and silly, but if you really listen to them, the Democrats never have anything POSITIVE to say. It's painful to listen to them, and I think many people are beginning to feel the same way.
The Democrat messages seem so sinister lately.... we should let the government run our lives because we're not capable to make good decisions... we should abandon our core beliefs about God, life and morality and embrace atheism, reward the lazy and punish the achievers... allow dicators and terrorists free reign in this world... solve past and current racial injustices by reverse discrimination... social engineering through the courts against the majority's beliefs... the list goes on. Who wants this kind of life?? Not I. Not many people. Obviously the Republicans are incredibly far from perfect, but unfortunately they are the lesser of the two evils nowadays.

They lost in 2002, most likely they will in 2004 if they don't change their ways. People are sick of the negativity portrayed by the democrats. It's alright to have a different viewpoint, but to harp on what they feel went wrong, give some alternatives. All I hear is "Bush is bad", I would like to hear "Bush could have done _____ better by doing _____." About all y'all get with the "Bush is bad" mentality is the die hard Bush haters, what you need to focus is on those on the fence. The ones that agree with some of bushes ideas but think some of bushes ideas weren't so great. So that's my idea on why dems will lose.

KK

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Howard Dean's plan for Universal Healthcare
John Kerry's plan to make college affordable for all Americans
Dennis Kucinich's plan for getting our troops home from Iraq
John Edwards' 60 page booklet on his solutions
Joe Lieberman's plan for energy independence

It all depends on what you want to hear. If you want to think that the Democrats are everything you've described, you'll only pay attention to the news they make thats negative. Personally, I support Dean because he's looking to bring in millions of Americans back into the political process through grassroots activism. I don't really notice any of those things you enumerated, because I'm not looking for them. If I looked for them, I could stretch certain quotes and remarks to fit your views, but that would be spin that I'm not interested in believing.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Also, it should be obvious that the media has a huge role in deciding what you hear. Plain and simple, infighting makes good news. Bashing makes good news. Policy speeches and pragmatic solutions do not. It doesn't matter which party is involved.

Just look at the threads in this forum. Positive threads don't get many replies, but the more negative threads get many replies. Doesn't matter which party its about. Both sides are guilty of using negativism to get their points across. Both sides use positivity as well. Its pretty equal to an outside observer. But then your personal biases make you see some things about the party you disagree with, yet turn a blind eye to negative things about the party you like.

 

[Moonbeam]

Man I never heard so much negativity in all my life. "The democrats are so negative The democrats are so negative. The democrats are so negative." Why don't you take your negativity and cram it. Jesus just listen to yourself. Not only are you negative, you also whine.

The Democrats are filled with patriotic zeal and the will to make things better. You'd see that if you took your nose out of your ass and stopped complaining about the stink. But don't feel bad. Republicans are OK. They're just waiting in line for their turn to evolve into Democrats. Be patient.

 

[GoPackGo]

FrodoB is absolutely right. All you hear on TV, radio, etc is negativity...economy bad, war bad, bush bad, bush bad....

With the dawn of the Internet and multiple 24hr news channels, we get news all the time.

The Nintendo Generation wants results now...many must think that if a war can be won in a few hours on the PS2, it must be just as quick for real right?

Much of what is being and has been discovered since 9/11 we wont hear for a quite a while since that information will no doubtedly be used to track down terrorists and their supporters.

Little snippets occassionaly slip out, but don't be surpised if any or all of the following is revealed in the next 10 or 20 years:

1. Saddam was a strong supporter and even a player on 9/11 - wanting payback for Gulf War and 12 years of intrusion.

2. The fall of 2001 Anthrax was provided by Iraq.

3. Iraq has hidden WMD somewhere. Syria? the Iraqi desert? Lebanon?

4. France Germany and Russia were so opposed to the war in Iraq because of the financial ties to Saddam and the fact they were selling illegal weapons during the 90's

5. The Baath party documented everything...have any of you seen the sick executions that have been shown on tv? If the truth is out there, the US or the Iraqis will find it. Millions and Millions of documents still yet to go through.

Saddam is starting to talk....he could have as much as $40billion hidden through out the world...one doesnt do that without some help....if US companies were involved they should pay.


If any or all of the above are revealed as true, the war will become fully justified....though I feel it was already justified. The dems need to support our troops and the effort.

The Economy...come on its getting better, places are slowly starting to higher, the dow is up. Guess what dems, the low rates and tax cuts are working...and you want to take them away? Bad move.

9/11 hurt, it hurt bad....but we as Americans are strong.

If the dems put together a positive campaign with strong emphasis on Defense, Health care, the Economy and Education, they might win....but at least the Bush admin is trying with health care, the economy is improving, and with most Dems strongly anti-war and anti-defense, the outlook is not too good.

PS.

GO PACKERS

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Jobs, health care, education, democracy, and opportunity. These are the issues that can unite America.

The politics of the 21st century is going to begin with our common interests.

If the President tries to divide us by race, we're going to talk about health care for every American.

If Karl Rove tries to divide us by gender, we're going to talk about better schools for all of our children.

If large corporate interests try to divide us by income, we're going to talk about better jobs and higher wages for every American.

If any politician tries to win an election by turning America into a battle of us versus them, we're going to respond with a politics that says that we're all in this together - that we want to raise our children in a world in which they are not taught to hate one another, because our children are not born to hate one another.

We're going to talk about justice again in this country, and what an America based on justice should look like -- an America with justice in our tax code, justice in our health care system, and justice in our hearts as well as our laws.

We're going to talk about making higher education available to every young person in every neighborhood and community in America, because over 95% of people with a 4-year degree in this country escape poverty.

We're going to talk about rebuilding rural communities and making sure that rural America can share in the promise and prosperity of the rest of America.

We're going to talk about investing in more small businesses instead of subsidizing huge corporations, because small businesses create 7 out of every 10 jobs in this country and they don't move their jobs overseas -- and they can help revitalize troubled communities. We're going to make it easier for everyone to get a small business loan wherever they live and whatever the color of their skin.

We're going to talk about rebuilding our schools and our roads and our public spaces, empowering people to take pride in their neighborhood and their community again.

We're going to talk about building prosperity that's based on more than spending beyond our means, a prosperity that doesn't force us to choose between working long hours and raising our children, a prosperity that doesn't require a mountain of debt to sustain it, a prosperity that lifts up every one of us and not just those at the very top.

The politics of race and the politics of fear will be answered with the promise of community and a message of hope.

And that's how we're going to win in 2004.

 

[sandorski]

I dunno, does anyone remember an election where negativity wasn't the main method of campaigning? It seems Negativity is always brought up as a bad thing, yet election after election it is used.

 

[Gaard]

I blame CAD, all he does is post negative stuff about the Democratic cadidates. I wish he'd post something positive for a change.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: sandorski
I dunno, does anyone remember an election where negativity wasn't the main method of campaigning? It seems Negativity is always brought up as a bad thing, yet election after election it is used.

True, look at where it has gotten Dean. He is the most outspoken candidate out there and the news sources pick up on that and run with it. They broadcast it daily giving Dean an unfair advantage over the other candidates in the running. What happened to equal air time for candidates?

KK

 

[gsaldivar]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Why don't you take your negativity and cram it. Jesus just listen to yourself. Not only are you negative, you also whine...The Democrats are filled with patriotic zeal and the will to make things better. You'd see that if you took your nose out of your ass and stopped complaining about the stink. But don't feel bad. Republicans are OK. They're just waiting in line for their turn to evolve into Democrats. Be patient.

Another fine example of uplifting Democratic positivity! LOL :beer:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: KK



They lost in 2002, most likely they will in 2004 if they don't change their ways. People are sick of the negativity portrayed by the democrats.
KK

Hmmm, it didn't seem to hurt the Republicans in 2000 when they behaved the same way.

I think the Dems will lose in 2004 because they are running a Candidate that is too liberal for Centrist America's taste.

 

[Ferocious]

Nope. Negativity ads have been used successfully by Republicans for years.

There are two main reasons.

1)Too many people do not vote.
2)Too many people vote without a clue of why.

For example many conservatives who want a smaller government more than anything else will vote for Bush even though government size is growing at a fast pace.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gaard
I blame CAD, all he does is post negative stuff about the Democratic cadidates. I wish he'd post something positive for a change.

I have posted positive things

John Edwards is running a pretty squeaky clean campaign so far. Ofcourse he doesn't have much support to show for it yet though.

CkG

 

[busmaster11]

No. if the democrats lose, it will be because the bandwagon-hopping American public decides that hey, if the economy is looking good and jobs are being created, and the Iraq/terror situation is getting better, then hey, bush might not be such a bad guy... If those events were to happen that is.

Nevermind all those other wonderful things bush has done for America.

Anyway, if things aren't shapping up like this, no way the democrats lose.

Bush is an amateur who's gotten where he is because of who his father is. Like an 8 year old at the wheel of a semi, he hasn't a clue what he's doing...

 

[Zebo]

Negative? Bush is the negative grandmaster.

Highest unemployment record in 20 years even more than daddy.
Boogie man comming to get you with terror alerts.
Highest defiet spending ever.
Pissed away goodwill with our stongest democratic allies

Open your eyes bud..we are becoming relegated to spoiled little children without a pot to piss in.

 

[beyoku]

one word:

DIEBOLD.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: KK



They lost in 2002, most likely they will in 2004 if they don't change their ways. People are sick of the negativity portrayed by the democrats.
KK

Hmmm, it didn't seem to hurt the Republicans in 2000 when they behaved the same way.

I think the Dems will lose in 2004 because they are running a Candidate that is too liberal for Centrist America's taste.

I think you ought to drop the notion of too liberal or too conservative and look at the political intentions of the candidates. Which will do the most good for the most people. If it's the 'too liberal' candidate then you should replace 'too liberal' with 'better'.

 

[heartsurgeon]

John Edwards is running a pretty squeaky clean campaign

what? didn't a number of minimum wage earners (secretaries at law firms) make $2000 contributions that were going to be "reimbursed" by the law firm? this guy is a trial lawyer, they are congenital liars and opportunists.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

John Edwards is running a pretty squeaky clean campaign

what? didn't a number of minimum wage earners (secretaries at law firms) make $2000 contributions that were going to be "reimbursed" by the law firm? this guy is a trial lawyer, they are congenital liars and opportunists.

Until you need one. Then they are your best freind. (for a price)

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

John Edwards is running a pretty squeaky clean campaign

what? didn't a number of minimum wage earners (secretaries at law firms) make $2000 contributions that were going to be "reimbursed" by the law firm? this guy is a trial lawyer, they are congenital liars and opportunists.

Until you need one. Then they are your best freind. (for a price)

Kind of like a Heart Surgeon

 

[Nitemare]

All politicians suck

The only option is to choose the lesser of 2 evils

<-Will be voting Independent or Libertarian this year, unless the Dems stop bickering and mount a serious campaign

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

John Edwards is running a pretty squeaky clean campaign

what? didn't a number of minimum wage earners (secretaries at law firms) make $2000 contributions that were going to be "reimbursed" by the law firm? this guy is a trial lawyer, they are congenital liars and opportunists.

OK - I should have said - "positive" campaign. My bad.

CkG

 

[oreagan]

Edwards was a trial lawyer, but that doesn't equal horrible person. Go read his book Four Trials, whether from a library, bookstore, his campaign, whereever you can find a copy. The whole book is a description of four of the groups he defended, and even the reviews I've read from non-Edwards supporters says that it's very well written and interesting.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Little snippets occassionaly slip out, but don't be surpised if any or all of the following is revealed in the next 10 or 20 years:

1. Saddam was a strong supporter and even a player on 9/11 - wanting payback for Gulf War and 12 years of intrusion.

2. The fall of 2001 Anthrax was provided by Iraq.

3. Iraq has hidden WMD somewhere. Syria? the Iraqi desert? Lebanon?

4. France Germany and Russia were so opposed to the war in Iraq because of the financial ties to Saddam and the fact they were selling illegal weapons during the 90's

5. The Baath party documented everything...have any of you seen the sick executions that have been shown on tv? If the truth is out there, the US or the Iraqis will find it. Millions and Millions of documents still yet to go through.

Us negative liberal attack dogs let these whoppers slip by without a comment? I guess that just goes to show how blindingly negative we are.