Why the Alladin is where I will be taking my business when I am in vegas next month

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Letter from Michael Moore to the President of the Alladin casino after Linda Rondstat was booted for her remarks about MM and his movie and the response....


Bill Timmins President Aladdin Casino and Hotel Las Vegas, NV
July 20, 2004

Dear Mr. Timmins:

I understand from the news reports I've read that, after Linda Ronstadt, one of America's greatest singers, dedicated a song to me from your stage on Saturday night, you instructed your security guards to remove her from the Aladdin, which they did.

What country do you live in? Last time I checked, Las Vegas is still in the United States. And in the United States, we have something called "The First Amendment." This constitutional right gives everyone here the right to say whatever they want to say. All Americans hold this right as sacred. Many of our young people put on a uniform and risk their lives to defend it. My film is all about asking the questions that should have been asked before those brave soldiers were sent into harms way.

For you to throw Linda Ronstadt off the premises because she dared to say a few words in support of me and my film, is simply stupid and Un-American. Frankly, I have never heard of such a thing happening. I
read that you wouldn't even let her go back up to her room at your hotel! Are you crazy? For crying out loud, it was a song DEDICATION! To "Desperado!" Every American loves that song! Sure, some people didn't like the dedication, and that's their right. But neither they nor you have the right to remove her from your building when all she did was exercise her AMERICAN right to speak her mind.

Of all the things that go on in Las Vegas, this is what creates the need for serious action? What about the other half of the crowd at the Aladdin who, according to the Las Vegas Sun, cheered her when she made
her remarks? Did you throw them out, too?

I think you owe Ms. Ronstadt an apology. And I have an idea how you can make it up to her -- and to the millions of Americans you have offended. Invite her back and I'll join her in singing "America the beautiful" on your stage. Then I will show "Fahrenheit 9/11" free of charge to all your guests and
anyone else in Las Vegas who wants to see it.

Mr. Timmins, as the song "Desperado" says -- "Come to your senses!" How can you refuse this offer? I await your reply.

Yours, Michael Moore Director, "Fahrenheit 9/11"

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Response
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July 21, 2004

Attention: Michael Moore,

In response to your letter dated July 20, 2004: You are correct that I had security remove Linda Ronstadt from Aladdin Casino and Hotel where the fun never ends and everybody wins.

How very interesting to learn you are such a fan of Ms. Ronstadt. You questioned where I live and surprisingly knew Las Vegas is in the UnitedStates. You should visit it sometime. There are thousands of
wonderful 'All You Can Eat' buffets.

There are also a lot of casinos who's owners don't **** around. I am aware of the First Amendment and you have the right to talk about your hatred of America but once you are on my property and you are upsetting my guests, you will quickly learn about my rights.

I can't remember if it was Jesus or George W. Bush that said, "Freedom is a two-way street." Ms. Ronstadt learned this long before I had her thrown out of my casino. You question my actions? If you come onto my property and upset my guests, you will receive the same, if not worse, treatment than
Ms. Ronstadt received. I am sure your mere presence would upset my guests.

You claim your film, "...is all about asking the questions that should have been asked before those brave soldiers were sent into harms way." I think your film does nothing but aid the enemy and hurt our troops.
You have betrayed our troops, our leader and America. I have no respect for you or your vision of what America should be.

I paid Ms. Ronstadt to entertain my guests, not divide them. The half that did not leave probably thought the verse you mentioned, "Why don't you come to your senses" was addressed to you. Maybe she should have dedicated her song, 'You're No Good' to you. I would have asked her back, had she done
that.

Regarding your request for me to apologize to her, have you and her on my stage singing anything about this Country and then playing your piece of **** film is ludicrous!

One of my workers is currently throwing away every complaint letter from brainless followers of you, claiming they will never visit my Casino. I could not be more pleased to know my casino and hotel will always be void of the kind of people who support you. Meanwhile, my hotel has been quickly booked solid
for the rest of the year with true Americans who love this Country and support our efforts overseas.

They will see a framed copy of your letter and my response in the lobby to ensure they begin their experience with a laugh.

Sincerely,

Bill Timmins President Aladdin Casino and Hotel Las Vegas, NV

Cliff Notes:

MM: waahh waahh waahh
?BT suck it!
 

minus1972

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yeah...and I'm sure those letters aern't fabricated.

at all.

man...some people will believe anything as long as it supports their views.
 

isasir

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Originally posted by: minus1972
yeah...and I'm sure those letters aern't fabricated.

at all.

man...some people will believe anything as long as it supports their views.

Yup, fake.

"Mr. Timmin's statements prompted an open letter to him from Michael Moore, which the filmmaker posted on his web site. However, although Mr. Moore's letter was real, the putative caustic response to it from Mr. Timmins quoted above is not ? it was a "Here's what I wish he had said" suggested reply penned by someone else."
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: minus1972
yeah...and I'm sure those letters aern't fabricated.

at all.

man...some people will believe anything as long as it supports their views.
ssssshhhhhhh! don't ruint it!
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: isasir
Originally posted by: minus1972
yeah...and I'm sure those letters aern't fabricated.

at all.

man...some people will believe anything as long as it supports their views.

Yup, fake.

"Mr. Timmin's statements prompted an open letter to him from Michael Moore, which the filmmaker posted on his web site. However, although Mr. Moore's letter was real, the putative caustic response to it from Mr. Timmins quoted above is not ? it was a "Here's what I wish he had said" suggested reply penned by someone else."

damn, you beat me :p
 

40Hands

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Its ironic they mention "brainless followers of you" in reguards to Moore.
 

minus1972

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Originally posted by: isasir
Originally posted by: minus1972
yeah...and I'm sure those letters aern't fabricated.

at all.

man...some people will believe anything as long as it supports their views.

Yup, fake.

"Mr. Timmin's statements prompted an open letter to him from Michael Moore, which the filmmaker posted on his web site. However, although Mr. Moore's letter was real, the putative caustic response to it from Mr. Timmins quoted above is not ? it was a "Here's what I wish he had said" suggested reply penned by someone else."

but seriously...all you have to do is read the damn thing and it should be obvious...nice to have snopes to put this down before it gets out of hand.
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: BroeBo
Its ironic they mention "brainless followers of you" in reguards to Moore.

yes, because we all know Moore's fans are all fabulous free thinkers... :roll:
 

jyates

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hehehe....funny even if it is made up.

It didn't sound like a letter from MM.......it made too much sense and it wasn't
hyped enough.
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: jyates
hehehe....funny even if it is made up.

It didn't sound like a letter from MM.......it made too much sense and it wasn't
hyped enough.
Way to read.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: jyates
hehehe....funny even if it is made up.

It didn't sound like a letter from MM.......it made too much sense and it wasn't
hyped enough.

The Moore letter is real. The response is fake.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=93

At any rate, Moore's pleading for the 1st Amendment in this case is pure ignorance. You do NOT have freedom of speech while working for someone else and/or while on someone else's property. If you say something they do not agree with, they can remove you from their property.

THAT, is true freedom.
 

spidey07

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There are also a lot of casinos who's owners don't **** around. I am aware of the First Amendment and you have the right to talk about your hatred of America but once you are on my property and you are upsetting my guests, you will quickly learn about my rights.

So owned and so utterly true. don't care if it is fake.
 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: BroeBo
Its ironic they mention "brainless followers of you" in reguards to Moore.

yes, because we all know Moore's fans are all fabulous free thinkers... :roll:

Moore questions authority. how is that not free thinking? Or should everyone bend over quietly and take it up the ass from our current administration?

and no, im not a "fan" of Moore. I have seen Farenheit 911 and I do think that movies asks some very important questions. I dont care that it questions the Bush administration. if the current govt is doing something wrong, we have every right to question them...
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: BroeBo
Its ironic they mention "brainless followers of you" in reguards to Moore.

yes, because we all know Moore's fans are all fabulous free thinkers... :roll:

Moore questions authority. how is that not free thinking? Or should everyone bend over quietly and take it up the ass from our current administration?

and no, im not a "fan" of Moore. I have seen Farenheit 911 and I do think that movies asks some very important questions. I dont care that it questions the Bush administration. if the current govt is doing something wrong, we have every right to question them...
I said, "Moore's fans" not Moore himself...
 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: BroeBo
Its ironic they mention "brainless followers of you" in reguards to Moore.

yes, because we all know Moore's fans are all fabulous free thinkers... :roll:

Moore questions authority. how is that not free thinking? Or should everyone bend over quietly and take it up the ass from our current administration?

and no, im not a "fan" of Moore. I have seen Farenheit 911 and I do think that movies asks some very important questions. I dont care that it questions the Bush administration. if the current govt is doing something wrong, we have every right to question them...
I said, "Moore's fans" not Moore himself...

i take it that you are implying that "moore's fans" jump the bandwagon of hating Bush. Well before i saw Farenheit 911, i didnt know all those points Moore addressed in his film. If it seems that "Moore's fans" jump the bandwagon, it is only because they werent exposed to the truth before...and now that they are, they too are questioning authority
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: BroeBo
Its ironic they mention "brainless followers of you" in reguards to Moore.

yes, because we all know Moore's fans are all fabulous free thinkers... :roll:

Moore questions authority. how is that not free thinking? Or should everyone bend over quietly and take it up the ass from our current administration?

and no, im not a "fan" of Moore. I have seen Farenheit 911 and I do think that movies asks some very important questions. I dont care that it questions the Bush administration. if the current govt is doing something wrong, we have every right to question them...
I said, "Moore's fans" not Moore himself...

i take it that you are implying that "moore's fans" jump the bandwagon of hating Bush. Well before i saw Farenheit 911, i didnt know all those points Moore addressed in his film. If it seems that "Moore's fans" jump the bandwagon, it is only because they werent exposed to the truth before...and now that they are, they too are questioning authority

bwahahahahahaahhaahhahaaha.

you actually believed it. "The truth?"

bwwhwhwhahhahhahhahahaa
 

Aharami

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im not saying all of it was true. i questioned it. and went back and did some research...and some to most of the points he made are atleast suspicious, if not probable
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: BroeBo
Its ironic they mention "brainless followers of you" in reguards to Moore.

yes, because we all know Moore's fans are all fabulous free thinkers... :roll:

Moore questions authority. how is that not free thinking? Or should everyone bend over quietly and take it up the ass from our current administration?

and no, im not a "fan" of Moore. I have seen Farenheit 911 and I do think that movies asks some very important questions. I dont care that it questions the Bush administration. if the current govt is doing something wrong, we have every right to question them...


You're right, and we also have every right to question Moore as well. It's a two way street. Moore gets to say what he wants about the gov't, and we get to say what we want about Moore.
 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: BroeBo
Its ironic they mention "brainless followers of you" in reguards to Moore.

yes, because we all know Moore's fans are all fabulous free thinkers... :roll:

Moore questions authority. how is that not free thinking? Or should everyone bend over quietly and take it up the ass from our current administration?

and no, im not a "fan" of Moore. I have seen Farenheit 911 and I do think that movies asks some very important questions. I dont care that it questions the Bush administration. if the current govt is doing something wrong, we have every right to question them...


You're right, and we also have every right to question Moore as well. It's a two way street. Moore gets to say what he wants about the gov't, and we get to say what we want about Moore.

i never said you couldnt. i was merely opposing Mwilding's blanket statement.
 

jyates

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: jyates
hehehe....funny even if it is made up.

It didn't sound like a letter from MM.......it made too much sense and it wasn't
hyped enough.

The Moore letter is real. The response is fake.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=93

At any rate, Moore's pleading for the 1st Amendment in this case is pure ignorance. You do NOT have freedom of speech while working for someone else and/or while on someone else's property. If you say something they do not agree with, they can remove you from their property.

THAT, is true freedom.

My mis-read.......I wouldn't have thought that MM would have time to write letters
since he is so busy trying to prove everyone wrong.

Gosh.....I hope I don't get a letter from MM because I think he's a slimeball along with the
majority of his Hollywood friends. :)