Why tech platforms start to work worse... Enshittification

[William Gaatjes]

Over time everybody notices that the smart device wants more and more of your attention.
That should be less of you attention, because it is supposed to be a smartphone. Higher efficiency when it comes to useable time.
Look at the larger desktop pc builds os versions. Constantly notifying, clinging onto you.

This documentary is about Enshittification, en what that really means.
There is also a book by Cory Doctorow who coined the term : Enshittification.

There are multiple words we can all think of : Enshittification, platform defecation , crapform decay.

The documentary is in English :
Small excerpt from documentary (10:20)
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Lets take nurses.
To exploit desparate labor, meaning if you really desperate for money you will be automatically payed less, because you have no choice anyway, the databroker takes care of that...
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[William Gaatjes]

That is an interesting thought : AI assisted programming, pushed by employers, to prevent that (employees) experienced programmers form a union to protect their interests.
Because hey, with AI chatbots everybody can program. The AI bubble being used by the employers to force experienced programmers not to form a union to protect themselves from nasty managers (read employers).

 

[William Gaatjes]

17:40
Reverse engineering made illegal. A law made by the USA. And forced upon the EU as well. Nice free market functioning here .
Instead of having a liberal free market, the USA uses import tariffs to control the EU to protect a few big tech companies.

 

[nakedfrog]

That is an interesting thought : AI assisted programming, pushed by employers, to prevent that (employees) programmers form a union to protect their interests.
Because hey, with AI chatbots everybody can program. The AI bubble being used by the employers to force experienced programmers not to form a union to protect themselves from nasty managers (read employers).

Programmers have (generally speaking) had the ability to form a union since well before this wave of AI, and haven't because they were typically more able to dictate the terms of their employment (based on what I've read in the past).
You're referring to what I believe is called "vibe coding", which can produce a functional product, the problem comes in when there's an issue and nobody actually knows how it works.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Programmers have (generally speaking) had the ability to form a union since well before this wave of AI, and haven't because they were typically more able to dictate the terms of their employment (based on what I've read in the past).
You're referring to what I believe is called "vibe coding", which can produce a functional product, the problem comes in when there's an issue and nobody actually knows how it works.

I think that now since the AI programming chatbot is being pushed so much, i see it everywhere. I tried it myself just for interest , but i noticed that to write good code, the person in question must know what the code does and how it works.
Still you have to use your brain and think of all situations.
Let's name as example creating a website. When the website is finished an ethical hacker can the website check for leaks and programming errors.
If data is being stored , we get front end stuff and backoffice stuff. All code that needs to be checked by an ethical hacker for sure. Even more so than with tradional written code.
If not. That can be a very dangerous situation.

Vibe coding : Indeed . Nobody knows and then there has to be reserved a lot of work hours for experienced programmers to find out what is exactly going on.
There goes the profit for the upcoming months.

 

[jpiniero]

I think that now since the AI programming chatbot is being pushed so much

AI is being pushed so much because of stonks.

 

[William Gaatjes]

AI is being pushed so much because of stonks.

Indeed. If you mean Stock, shares.
When i look up the translation, this is fitting too : Military bombardement.

See how it is possible now to control hundreds of drones as they for example do as firework replacement, like for example in China but also other countries.
A huge cube of hundreds, nearly thousands drones. Let say these all carry a bomb.
The overhead to control such a formidable military apparatus is enormous and good to control with AI.
Forgot to add : So many small drones at once each with a bomb, kind of reminds of cluster bombs. And i thought these are forbidden.

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[Red Squirrel]

It seems companies never know when to stop "innovating". They will get a product to a point where it's perfect, and instead of accepting this and leaving it alone, they need to change it to justify their existance. Facebook is a good example of that, in the fairly early days it was a pretty good platform but every time they update it, it gets worse. The code for that site is so shitty and bloated now it's unbelievable. The site is super glitchy.

Windows is another good example. They perfected it around Windows 2000. Then it started to go downhill.

 

[William Gaatjes]

It seems companies never know when to stop "innovating". They will get a product to a point where it's perfect, and instead of accepting this and leaving it alone, they need to change it to justify their existance. Facebook is a good example of that, in the fairly early days it was a pretty good platform but every time they update it, it gets worse. The code for that site is so shitty and bloated now it's unbelievable. The site is super glitchy.

Windows is another good example. They perfected it around Windows 2000. Then it started to go downhill.

A windows 2000 user interface and the same speed and look and feel, combined with the modern windows NT kernel . Without enforced cloud accounts, or enforced play store accounts. That would be such a lightning fast and stable system.
Pre windows 8, Windows took care of all the 2D graphics and did an amazing stable and fast job. But after microsoft changed everything to 3D to match the UI from a kids game. It went down the drain.
The windowmanager in windows is drastically changed giving more control to the applications.

Facebook, i will never use facebook again. It is garbage and has a whole API to read out your entire system, to the level your os allows, when it comes to security. You smartphone, your pc , everything is probed for data by the facebook API.

 

[lxskllr]

You don't seem to have that problem with libre software. I wonder why it's so different than proprietary stuff? On average, the quality should be equal between them, yet there's a difference. Hmm... What could that difference be?!