Why so sensitive about Mohammed?

[GWestphal]

Not all Muslims are fanatical obviously, but it seems there is a relative large (compared to other religions) population that is willing to shed blood (theirs and others) due to some criticism or slight to Mohammed.

Perhaps, I'm simply not aware of it, but I can't recall Christians, Hindus, Buddhists or Jews blowing themselves up or burning down embassies if someone calls Jesus, Brahma, or Buddha a no talent ass clown. Is it a cultural thing? When did their culture change from one of open discourse and innovation (developing algebra, calculus, many basic sciences) to one of any slight criticism leading to calls for blood. I'm not a believer of any religion, but when someone tries to get evangelical on me, I brush them off and don't let it bother me, likewise they brush me off as unsaveble and don't let it bother them. Why can't this population of Muslims do the same thing?

Why so sensitive about Mohammed? He was just a dude who listened to a fairy tale character in the sky. Just a man. Just a messenger. I feel like the message was not received.

 

[sze5003]

Cultural values and different sects have evolved to different beliefs.

 

[Nebor]

It's a defense mechanism built into their religion. By responding with extreme violence to anyone that questions or denounces the religion, it stays strong.

Religions without such a mechanism are slowly rendered defunct by logical thought and science.

 

[Ryan]

It's a defense mechanism built into their religion. By responding with extreme violence to anyone that questions or denounces the religion, it stays strong.

Religions without such a mechanism are slowly rendered defunct by logical thought and science.

Every religion is rendered defunct by logical thought and science.

 

[Incorruptible]

Because some of these people are still stuck in the 7th century and refuse to move forward

 

[Orignal Earl]

People there still go outside and get involved.
Here you go on facebook

 

[Fanatical Meat]

They're really just angry about having miserable lives, I'm thinking Howard Stern had some good ideas. I remember around 98 Stern saying instead of aid we should build a bunch of strip clubs & ship over hot girls. It would take the anger away.

 

[OCGuy]

People there still go outside and get involved.
Here you go on facebook

It almost sounds like you admire them for "being involved."

Why don't you just come out and say that you sympathize with their world views?

The world needs MORE Mouhammed cartoons, movies, etc. We need to make it the norm, and then everyone will get over it. Cowering in fear to some 16th century goat-rapists is not going to work.

 

[Orignal Earl]

It almost sounds like you admire them for "being involved."

Why don't you just come out and say that you sympathize with their world views?

The world needs MORE Mouhammed cartoons, movies, etc. We need to make it the norm, and then everyone will get over it. Cowering in fear to some 16th century goat-rapists is not going to work.

You may of not noticed, but I'm not in the group who is preaching the Islamic takeover of the world
But your post defiantly shows the same bravery exhibited by those patriots who anonymously strike at Islam with their avatar

edit- Oh wait..your the germaphobe right? Maybe even a keyboard is a huge step for you

 

[OCGuy]

You may of not noticed, but I'm not in the group who is preaching the Islamic takeover of the world
But your post defiantly shows the same bravery exhibited by those patriots who anonymously strike at Islam with their avatar

Another reply that doesn't address what I said or even make sense. Are you Jokus' alt-account?

Are you saying that radical Islam does not preach the "Islamic takeover of the world"

Unless you have no idea who Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab was, and how influential that line of thinking is, and just how many followers it has...in which case I have no desire to actually discuss this topic with you.

 

[piasabird]

Muslims are just savages. The president should demand all the militia members be hunted down and executed in front of the embassy in 7 days or he will consider it an act of WAR. Might want to recall all Americans from Libya while you are at it.

Since violence is all muslims understand maybe that is what is called for.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Unless you have no idea who Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab was, and how influential that line of thinking is, and just how many followers it has...in which case I have no desire to actually discuss this topic with you.

Ya, I know who he was...you should do something to make your government quit sending weapons and aid to his main supporters

 

[PJABBER]

Islamic fundamentalism represents past glory days and a future vision of dominance.

Males have absolute rights and authority while gays, women, libertines, non-believers, etc. can expect to be killed or enslaved or required to pay bondage fees.

Tolerant la-dee-dah Western liberals can expect they will be among the first to be subjugated as they are particularly easy prey.

It is possible for Islam to reject fundamentalism, and in many places it is a minority representation. But if it does take root in a society it is very hard to remove, just like any totalitarian form of government.

The question we face is just how do we deal with expansionist, authoritarian governments of any kind?

Do we ignore, or appease and acquiesce, as many in this forum advocate?

Or do we respond as we did in WWII against a very similar fascism? Or as we did in the Cold War with proxy wars?

Or is there some other way entirely?

The clock is ticking in a region that supplies most of the oil for Europe and a substantial part of our own. In a region that has Iran established as the world's leading exporter of terrorism and proxy wars. And a region that now has multiple governments transitioning to fundamentalist rule, even faster than the transitions to Nazism and Communism.

 

[OCGuy]

Ya, I know who he was...you should do something to make your government quit sending weapons and aid to his main supporters

I agree, our currently cozy relationship with the Saudis, the biggest financiers and promoters of Wahhabism in the world , could end up backfiring worse than our arming the Mujihadeen against the Soviets and Saddam against Iran.

That goes back to oil, and unfortunately there is no difference between our only two political parties.

Aiding allies does NOT mean we deserve to be killed/converted however. The same as making fun of Muhammed does not mean you deserve threats or death.

 

[GWestphal]

Let's stay on topic and cut the trolling/personal insults.

Is it a cultural thing? When did their culture change from one of open discourse and innovation (developing algebra, calculus, many basic sciences) to one of any slight criticism leading to calls for blood.

How did this sect evolve? And how has not evolved into something more open/tolerate in this day and age?

 

[sze5003]

Thanks to the media here in the US and what they choose to show this religion is viewed the wrong way by many. I consider myself Muslim and I don't give a shit about taking over the world or any of the extreme stuff. If people just picked up a book to read and learn I think more would see that those extremists preach the wrong things.

 

[GWestphal]

Could we see a Caliphate state in the Middle East? What if all the Arab states merged?

 

[GWestphal]

I think part of the problem is that the majority of "liberal" muslims that get along with others just fine are just as likely to be targets of the fanatics, so they can't police their own religion.

How can that be addressed? How do you reform the ideals if you're met with guns and explosives?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Islamic fundamentalism represents past glory days and a future vision of dominance.

Males have absolute rights and authority while gays, women, libertines, non-believers, etc. can expect to be killed or enslaved or required to pay bondage fees.

Tolerant la-dee-dah Western liberals can expect they will be among the first to be subjugated as they are particularly easy prey.

It is possible for Islam to reject fundamentalism, and in many places it is a minority representation. But if it does take root in a society it is very hard to remove, just like any totalitarian form of government.

The question we face is just how do we deal with expansionist, authoritarian governments of any kind?

Do we ignore, or appease and acquiesce, as many in this forum advocate?

Or do we respond as we did in WWII against a very similar fascism? Or as we did in the Cold War with proxy wars?

Or is there some other way entirely?

The clock is ticking in a region that supplies most of the oil for Europe and a substantial part of our own. In a region that has Iran established as the world's leading exporter of terrorism and proxy wars. And a region that now has multiple governments transitioning to fundamentalist rule, even faster than the transitions to Nazism and Communism.

US destroyed Iranian democracy we get an Islamic Republic
US votes against Vietnam elections we get Vietnam war/Socialist Republic
US invades secular Iraq we get Islamic state
US supports Saudi dictatorship we get Wahhabi madrassas's preaching hate all over the Middle East
US invades Afghanistan we just get a bigger mess

Ya, I don't think US intervention is helping?

 

[PJABBER]

Could we see a Caliphate state in the Middle East? What if all the Arab states merged?

This is the goal, for the man made boundaries of nation states are an abomination to the fundamentalists. They can only accept a single governing entity of believers called the Ummah. All other divisions are temporary expedients.

The sooner a consolidation is accomplished, the more empowered it will be, the faster the inevitable conquest of unbelievers will occur.

No different than any totalitarian world view, really.

 

[Nebor]

Every religion is rendered defunct by logical thought and science.

Not if anyone advocating science or logically questioning religion is tortured and killed immediately, and the people on the outside, purportedly ruled by logical thought and science look on and go, "Well, it's just their way, and we should respect that."

 

[PJABBER]

US destroyed Iranian democracy we get an Islamic Republic
US votes against Vietnam elections we get Vietnam war/Socialist Republic
US invades secular Iraq we get Islamic state
US supports Saudi dictatorship we get Wahhabi madrassas's preaching hate all over the Middle East
US invades Afghanistan we just get a bigger mess

Ya, I don't think US intervention is helping?

You question all approaches and solutions but never proffer any yourself?

Put yourself on the line and suggest an approach to the rise of fundamentalist Islam and the totalitarianism of fundamentalist governments as are found in Iran.

Propose an approach for the Christian and other minorities in Egypt.

Propose an approach for Israel that is surrounded by hostile powers.

Propose an approach for Europe that is economically dependent on the region's oil and is facing a tremendous flow is Muslim immigration, an immigrant population that is refusing to become integrated with national ethos.

Propose an approach for India whose many faiths are considered sufficient apostasy to merit death.

Propose an approach for Western liberalism that is facing a challenge by a very illiberal and intolerant dogma.

Propose an approach for the United States, and maybe even Canada.

 

[feralkid]

Because some of these people are still stuck in the 7th century and refuse to move forward

these people.haterz

 

[yllus]

Why so sensitive about Mohammed? He was just a dude who listened to a fairy tale character in the sky. Just a man. Just a messenger. I feel like the message was not received.

The message was definitely not received, as Muslims are essentially indulging in idol worship here. Muhammad was just a man.

I think it really just stems from a really enormous inferiority complex from those regions of the world. By every measurable comparison man has ever devised the Muslim world is found sorely lacking - but they can feign superiority in the area of religious righteousness, which just happens to defy measurement or fact-based comparisons. Attacks against this very thin piece of emotional armor are answered swiftly and indiscriminately.

 

[feralkid]

The message was definitely not received, as Muslims are essentially indulging in idol worship here. Muhammad was just a man.

I think it really just stems from a really enormous inferiority complex from those regions of the world. By every measurable comparison man has ever devised the Muslim world is found sorely lacking - but they can feign superiority in the area of religious righteousness, which just happens to defy measurement or fact-based comparisons. Attacks against this very thin piece of emotional armor are answered swiftly and indiscriminately.

ORLY?
Sounds more like a superiority complex on your part.