Why so much hostility and racism towards homosexuals?

[Bumrush99]

Listening to NPR this morning made me feel real sad. They were discussing the election with some Evangelical Christians that were basically claiming that moral issues, not issues related to the war or the economy, mobilized them to vote in droves this election. The main wedge issue for them was gay marriage and they were all unified on the issue. One pastor said that the smartest move by the Bush campaign during the race was calling for the Senate to pass the marriage "protection" amendment.

I live in a fairly liberal town, and while I can't say I want to see homsexuals making out or holding hands in public, I can say that I have worked with many of them and see that they are just like many of us. Work hard, good values (besides taking it up the A$$ and at the end of the day they just want to be happy like most of us. They contribute a lot to the ecomony, are oftentimes professionals and they spend a lot since they are not tied down by the financial burders of having to support a family. It saddens me to think that a huge portion of the electorate would vote out of hate, to limit their ability to stabilize their lives and live the American dream just like some immigrant family that comes to this country. Besides marriage, does anyone think it is fair that a person can have a partner for 40 years and when that partner is on their deathbed have no rights to visit or make decisions for their partner?

I'd like to get the otherside of the story, if it is simply about what the bible says there is no need to explain.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Homosexuals are not a race.

 

[Mursilis]

How can one be quilty of "racism" toward homosexuals? Are they a separate race?
Nice loaded question, BTW. You certainly don't have an agenda, do you?

 

[cmdavid]

ok, being against gay marriage doesnt mean hating gays..

 

[Bumrush99]

Yes Mursilis I have an agenda to piss you off.

I just posted an opinion based on my personal experiences with them. If you have nothing to add you don't have to troll in here with an idiotic comment.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Yes Mursilis I have an agenda to piss you off.

I just posted an opinion based on my personal experiences with them. If you have nothing to add you don't have to troll in here with an idiotic comment.

Why don't you want to see gays holding hands? Does it make you uncomfortable?

 

[Valvoline6]

Huh? Idiotic comment?

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Yes Mursilis I have an agenda to piss you off.

I just posted an opinion based on my personal experiences with them. If you have nothing to add you don't have to troll in here with an idiotic comment.

 

[Ilmater]

I think most of the hatred towards gays (not so much lesbians) is that a MAJOR part fo being gay is having anal sex with a man. (Ops, please don't ban me, I'm being serious.) People like my father find that thought repulsive, and therefore find the idea of any relationship like that repulsive. On the other hand, the idea of oral sex between women isn't nearly as disgusting. I honestly believe that is a HUGE part of the problem.

 

[Bumrush99]

My personal disguest with the physical act of what they do does not override my desire to see that they equal protection and the same rights as everyone else. Not that I neccesarily believe in gay marriage, but I do think they should get partner benefits.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Yes Mursilis I have an agenda to piss you off.

I just posted an opinion based on my personal experiences with them. If you have nothing to add you don't have to troll in here with an idiotic comment.

And which side has the hostility? You make it all so confusing.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Ilmater
I think most of the hatred towards gays (not so much lesbians) is that a MAJOR part fo being gay is having anal sex with a man. (Ops, please don't ban me, I'm being serious.) People like my father find that thought repulsive, and therefore find the idea of any relationship like that repulsive. On the other hand, the idea of oral sex between women isn't nearly as disgusting. I honestly believe that is a HUGE part of the problem.

Ask your Father if he is spying on them or if we watch traditional married couples have sex? << that is not meant in a disrespectful way... but what people do in their own bedroom is not our business as long as it is consensual and not with another family member

WWJD

I thought Jesus taught LOVE for all of Gods creatures and NOT to Judge each other

 

[Bumrush99]

I'll give it up. Its too early in the morning to start a flame war (no pun intended

I don't have any agenda to push, I just find it sad that with everything going on this country, between the war on terror, the economy and the future of America, that a large group of people focused on gays as their primary issue. That undermining potential gay rights in the future was more important than any other issue during the election. I'm sorry, but I find that obsession with gays both revolting and disturbing, especially in America.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Ilmater
I think most of the hatred towards gays (not so much lesbians) is that a MAJOR part fo being gay is having anal sex with a man. (Ops, please don't ban me, I'm being serious.) People like my father find that thought repulsive, and therefore find the idea of any relationship like that repulsive. On the other hand, the idea of oral sex between women isn't nearly as disgusting. I honestly believe that is a HUGE part of the problem.

I think your statement highlights the fact that discrimination against gays is primarily a male-driven agenda. Most men have no problem with lesbians and, in fact, wouldn't mind knowing a few; purely for scientific purposes of course . It's only the gay males that heterosexual men seem to feel threatened by.

Gays men are perceived as a threat to many a man's masculinity and they use all kinds of idiotic reasoning to validate their claims. They're all pretty much bunk though and it basically boils down to insecurity as well as a complete lack of understanding and familiarity of what gays are all about.

 

[CBone]

Personally, I think that homosexuality is pretty nasty. But no nastier than someone eating tomatoes. Ugh! They are so squishy and sick!

Seriously, I think people don't want to support homosexuals because people will assume that they are gay too. The bible has been used as an excuse for so many uncivilized acts that it's ridiculous. People act like the bible is relevant today. It was a bunch of stories that people put together. If people use their circular logic to impart some sort of holiness to the bible, then I can use the same logic to say that comic books prove that superheroes are real. But that's another story for another time.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

I attribute it largely to the "icky" factor, pure and simple.

It makes me sad as well that the "protection" of marriage was somehow made to be threatened in this election. I think the notion is absurd.

My wife was in tears yesterday, hearing all about the "morality" that was being trumpeted. A relative of hers is gay and has been in a stable, committed relationship for 10-15 years. If they wanted to, my wife and I would both easily support them in bringing up a child. There's is a very loving household and would prove an extremely stable environment. If they don't choose to act as parents to one or more children, it is also important to me that they share similar legal rights as heterosexual couples. They've pledged a committment to each other, rely on each other financially, and, most importantly, are loving, caring, nurturing people. How in the hell that at all damages the sanctity of marriage in the legal realm, I don't know.

So, to echo some of the OP's sentiments... I too am sad. I am resolute that things will change, but I find the current atmosphere extremely disappointing.

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: Ilmater
I think most of the hatred towards gays (not so much lesbians) is that a MAJOR part fo being gay is having anal sex with a man. (Ops, please don't ban me, I'm being serious.) People like my father find that thought repulsive, and therefore find the idea of any relationship like that repulsive. On the other hand, the idea of oral sex between women isn't nearly as disgusting. I honestly believe that is a HUGE part of the problem.

My roommate and best friend is gay and he doesn't do anal sex but hey, why not go down the slippery slope a bit and ban anal sex altogether since heterosexuals don't do that kind of stuff, right?

 

[Zedtom]

The homosexual community should prepare themselves for a backlash from the right and the left. The election was driven by wedge issues that lured voters to the polls. In many states the proposals against gay marriage rallied the conservative fundementalists to vote against the "homosexual agenda" and at the same time, vote for George W. Bush.

I believe that the Democratic party needs to do some soul searching and decide if gay agendas are in the best interest of their party.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: Ilmater
I think most of the hatred towards gays (not so much lesbians) is that a MAJOR part fo being gay is having anal sex with a man. (Ops, please don't ban me, I'm being serious.) People like my father find that thought repulsive, and therefore find the idea of any relationship like that repulsive. On the other hand, the idea of oral sex between women isn't nearly as disgusting. I honestly believe that is a HUGE part of the problem.

My roommate and best friend is gay and he doesn't do anal sex but hey, why not go down the slippery slope a bit and ban anal sex altogether since heterosexuals don't do that kind of stuff, right?

No, it's nothing but the good ol' missionary position for heterosexuals. From what I hear.

 

[assemblage]

The normalization of homosexuality is stepping on a lot of people's toes who find homsexuality is a deviant behavior and do no think same sex unions should be legally recognized. Unfortunately people who think and believe this way are often negatively and often wrongly labeled and attacked by those who desire to force their beliefs on others.

"does anyone think it is fair that a person can have a partner for 40 years and when that partner is on their deathbed have no rights to visit or make decisions for their partner? " No body is keeping homosexuals from cohabitating. In addition there are "power of attorney" and "medical power of attorney" contracts and "wills" that delegate legal authority to another person and do give their partner rights fo make deathbed visits and decisions for their partner.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Homosexuals are not a race.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: assemblage
The normalization of homosexuality is stepping on a lot of people's toes who find homsexuality is a deviant behavior and do no think same sex unions should be legally recognized. Unfortunately people who think and believe this way are often negatively and often wrongly labeled and attacked by those who desire to force their beliefs on others.

"does anyone think it is fair that a person can have a partner for 40 years and when that partner is on their deathbed have no rights to visit or make decisions for their partner? " No body is keeping homosexuals from cohabitating. In addition there are "power of attorney" and "medical power of attorney" contracts and "wills" that delegate legal authority to another person and do give their partner rights fo make deathbed visits and decisions for their partner.

Sounds to me that it's you and your ilk who are forcing their beliefs on others.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: assemblage
The normalization of homosexuality is stepping on a lot of people's toes who find homsexuality is a deviant behavior and do no think same sex unions should be legally recognized. Unfortunately people who think and believe this way are often negatively and often wrongly labeled and attacked by those who desire to force their beliefs on others.

"does anyone think it is fair that a person can have a partner for 40 years and when that partner is on their deathbed have no rights to visit or make decisions for their partner? " No body is keeping homosexuals from cohabitating. In addition there are "power of attorney" and "medical power of attorney" contracts and "wills" that delegate legal authority to another person and do give their partner rights fo make deathbed visits and decisions for their partner.

Accepted social standards need to change. And if stepping on some toes is the only way to get it done, than so be it.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: Ilmater
I think most of the hatred towards gays (not so much lesbians) is that a MAJOR part fo being gay is having anal sex with a man. (Ops, please don't ban me, I'm being serious.) People like my father find that thought repulsive, and therefore find the idea of any relationship like that repulsive. On the other hand, the idea of oral sex between women isn't nearly as disgusting. I honestly believe that is a HUGE part of the problem.

My roommate and best friend is gay and he doesn't do anal sex but hey, why not go down the slippery slope a bit and ban anal sex altogether since heterosexuals don't do that kind of stuff, right?

In many states sodomy IS illegal.

Listen, I'm just offering an opinion. Nothing offends me. Nothing. If anyone else in here has listened to a room full of gay men describe how a bartender fisted one of them the weekend before, THEN you can talk to me about who's prejudiced.

And totally OT, tallest1, how tall are you? I'm curious. I'm 6'9", so unless you are taller, you should have to relinquish that nick.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
I attribute it largely to the "icky" factor, pure and simple.

It makes me sad as well that the "protection" of marriage was somehow made to be threatened in this election. I think the notion is absurd.

My wife was in tears yesterday, hearing all about the "morality" that was being trumpeted. A relative of hers is gay and has been in a stable, committed relationship for 10-15 years. If they wanted to, my wife and I would both easily support them in bringing up a child. There's is a very loving household and would prove an extremely stable environment. If they don't choose to act as parents to one or more children, it is also important to me that they share similar legal rights as heterosexual couples. They've pledged a committment to each other, rely on each other financially, and, most importantly, are loving, caring, nurturing people. How in the hell that at all damages the sanctity of marriage in the legal realm, I don't know.

So, to echo some of the OP's sentiments... I too am sad. I am resolute that things will change, but I find the current atmosphere extremely disappointing.

The problem is, such people don't define the gay rights movement, as its been taken over by fringe groups like ACT UP, who like to shock and offend more than persuade. For better or for worse, things like the Folsom Street Fair have come to define the gay rights movement, and stuff like that is just going to shock the heck out of middle America. Even the (annual?) DC Gay Pride parade is very R-rated. Personally, I have no interest in what other adults do in their own bedrooms, but I also have enough sense to know that what goes on in my bedroom should stay there, and not on public streets.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: CBone
Personally, I think that homosexuality is pretty nasty. But no nastier than someone eating tomatoes. Ugh! They are so squishy and sick!

Seriously, I think people don't want to support homosexuals because people will assume that they are gay too. The bible has been used as an excuse for so many uncivilized acts that it's ridiculous. People act like the bible is relevant today. It was a bunch of stories that people put together. If people use their circular logic to impart some sort of holiness to the bible, then I can use the same logic to say that comic books prove that superheroes are real. But that's another story for another time.

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