why should we care if animals get abused?

weflyhigh

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obviously, I think animal abuse is terrible. One of the worst kinds of abuse because the victim cannot speak out for itself and can't fight back. Not to mention, they are completely innocent

but, I was thinking about it and having a hard time putting it into words WHY a person should care if a dog across the country is abused.

help?
 

Malak

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I don't care enough to care. Yes, it is wrong. But I'm not going to actively do anything about it. People are being abused much worse and I only have enough energy to care about one or the other.
 

Sea Moose

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I don't care enough to care. Yes, it is wrong. But I'm not going to actively do anything about it. People are being abused much worse and I only have enough energy to care about one or the other.

Doesnt this go against your religious thing? Protect all of (your) gods creations and whatnot
 
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Why should I care that people in Africa are dying of Aids but are actively prevented from getting help because they're taught that condoms are evil?
 

dullard

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People have the ability to have empathy, compassion, etc. You can turn off those capabilities short-term and be fine. Do it long-term and it'll be the demise of humans (civilizations really don't work well otherwise).

Should we use empathy? I say lets not get out of practice. The cost to you is miniscule, the cost if we lost that ability is immense.
 
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Sea Moose

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No it doesn't. I'm not the one abusing the animals.

So not your problem hey? You can stand back and let animals (or in religions case : children ) be abused and not voice your disgust.

You are just as guilty as the abuser and lack a back bone
 

blackdogdeek

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We definitely are. It is a very beneficial evolutionary trait.

i want to believe you, but as i get older, i see more and more evidence to the contrary. hopefully, it's just that the media coverage for our ugliness is just more pervasive than it used to be rather than empirically more incidence.
 

Malak

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So not your problem hey? You can stand back and let animals (or in religions case : children ) be abused and not voice your disgust.

You are just as guilty as the abuser and lack a back bone

Really? And what have you done about slavery? Child porn? Gang wars? Drugs? Domestic abuse?

I already voiced my opinion, I think it is wrong. But I do not control others and wouldn't even try. Laws don't prohibit wrong doing.
 

Sea Moose

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Really? And what have you done about slavery? Child porn? Gang wars? Drugs? Domestic abuse?

I already voiced my opinion, I think it is wrong. But I do not control others and wouldn't even try. Laws don't prohibit wrong doing.

I adopt animals from the pound. I do regular charity work to help homeless people. I partake in other stuff that is none of your damn business that does help to eliminate social problems that you mention.

But no, praying to a cloud in the sky is going to solve problems. What is he doing up there anyway?
 

darkewaffle

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Really? And what have you done about slavery? Child porn? Gang wars? Drugs? Domestic abuse?

I already voiced my opinion, I think it is wrong. But I do not control others and wouldn't even try. Laws don't prohibit wrong doing.

Nobody has the time or resources to fight every battle to right every wrong. I think people choose what's important to them to defend, and really we just kind of hope that at the end of the day there's enough people that care to cover all the bases.

It's a slowly rising tide I think.
 

Malak

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I adopt animals from the pound. I do regular charity work to help homeless people. I partake in other stuff that is none of your damn business that does help to eliminate social problems that you mention.

But no, praying to a cloud in the sky is going to solve problems. What is he doing up there anyway?

See here we have a perfect example of someone assaulting religion for no reason and making judgments for no reason either. And you think I'm the bad guy.

What exactly is it you expect me to do that you yourself aren't even doing? I can't stop people from murdering other humans, so why do you think I can do anything about animal abuse? You are being irrational.
 

DrPizza

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For what it's worth, words can be cruel. When a poster here posts that they've just had a family member die or get hurt, and someone is intentionally cruel about it - OR, if it's a pet and someone here is intentionally cruel about it, it's not tolerated very well. i.e. "I'm so upset, my dog just got hit by a car" followed by "Good, dogs are a waste of time and money, I hope it dies." Will generally be followed by a vacation to rethink how you treat others on this forum. I'm not sure if the OP is related to a couple recent cases of this that have led to lengthy bans from the forums.
 

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Everyone in the apartment complex I lived in knew who Ugly was. Ugly was the resident tomcat. Ugly loved three things in this world: fighting, eating garbage, and, shall we say, love. The combination of these things along with a life spent outside had their effect on Ugly. To start with, he had only one eye, and where the other should have been was a gaping hole. He was also missing his ear on the same side, his left foot appeared to have been badly broken at one time, and had healed at an unnatural angle, making him look like he was always turning the corner. His tail has long since been lost, leaving only the smallest stub, which he would constantly jerk and twitch. Ugly would have been a dark gray tabby striped-type, except for the sores covering his head, neck, even his shoulders with thick, yellowing scabs. Every time someone saw Ugly there was the same reaction. "That's one UGLY cat!!"

All the children were warned not to touch him, the adults threw rocks at him, hosed him down, squirted him when he tried to come in their homes, or shut his paws in the door when he would not leave. Ugly always had the same reaction. If you turned the hose on him, he would stand there, getting soaked until you gave up and quit. If you threw things at him, he would curl his lanky body around your feet in forgiveness. Whenever he spied children, he would come running, meowing frantically, and bump his head against their hands, begging for their love. If ever picked up he would immediately begin suckling on your shirt, ears, whatever he could find.

One day Ugly tried to share his love with the neighbor's huskies. They did not respond kindly, and Ugly was badly mauled. From my apartment I could hear his screams and I tried to rush to his aid. By the time I got to where he was laying, it was apparent Ugly's sad life was almost at an end. Ugly lay in a wet circle, his back legs and lower back twisted grossly out of shape, a gaping tear in the white strip of fur that ran down his front. As I picked him up and tried to carry him home I could hear him wheezing and gasping, and could feel him struggling. I must be hurting him terribly I thought. Then I felt a familiar tugging, sucking sensation on my earlobe - Ugly, in so much pain, suffering and obviously dying was trying to suckle my ear. I pulled him closer to me, and he bumped the palm of my hand with his head. Then he turned his one golden eye towards me, and I could hear the distinct sound of purring. Even in the greatest pain, that ugly battle-scarred cat was asking only for a little affection, perhaps some compassion.

At that moment I thought Ugly was the most beautiful, loving creature I had ever known. Never once did he try to bite or scratch me, or even try to get away from me, or struggle in any way. Ugly just looked up at me completely trusting in me to relieve his pain. Ugly died in my arms before I could even get him inside, but I sat and held him for a long time afterwards. Thinking about how one scarred, deformed little stray could so alter my opinion about what it means to have true pureness of spirit, to love so totally and truly. Ugly taught me more about giving and compassion than a thousand books, lectures, or talk show specials ever could, and for that I will always be thankful. He had been scarred on the outside, but I was scarred on the inside, and it was time for me to move on and learn to love truly and deeply. To give my total self to those I cared for. Many people want to be richer, more successful, well liked, beautiful, but for me, I will always try to be Ugly.
 

Gooberlx2

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One of the worst kinds of abuse because the victim cannot speak out for itself and can't fight back.

That's a big part of it, and why we care so much about child abuse as well. Animal abuse is also indicative of other serious social issues at home, in the community and/or that the perpetrator is a sociopath.

As a result, I think it's one of those things that we're "programmed" to care about for purposes of self and community preservation. From an evolutionary/anthropology standpoint, it's in our own best interest to be able to identify destructive elements of society and be able to deal with them. As mentioned, we possess advanced emotions such as compassion and empathy for very good reasons.
 
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Patranus

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People only care when its Animals that are "cute".

When it comes to "ugly" things like rats or pigeons, people couldn't care less.
 

Gooberlx2

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People only care when its Animals that are "cute".

When it comes to "ugly" things like rats or pigeons, people couldn't care less.

I don't think that's true. It's one thing if the animals are being killed as result of acting as pests (or for food, etc...as the argument applies). It's another thing entirely if some kid is trapping and torching pigeons because he can.
 

Sea Moose

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See here we have a perfect example of someone assaulting religion for no reason and making judgments for no reason either. And you think I'm the bad guy.

What exactly is it you expect me to do that you yourself aren't even doing? I can't stop people from murdering other humans, so why do you think I can do anything about animal abuse? You are being irrational.

1)I am assaulting religion with many reasons.

Religion shelters hypocrites and pedophiles.
Religious institutions could help people in need... but dont. The leader of your church sits in his big palace in the vatican. What a great leader.
 

ichy

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obviously, I think animal abuse is terrible. One of the worst kinds of abuse because the victim cannot speak out for itself and can't fight back. Not to mention, they are completely innocent

but, I was thinking about it and having a hard time putting it into words WHY a person should care if a dog across the country is abused.

help?

Because people who torture animals often graduate to harming people?

There was a high profile case in Baltimore somewhat recently where a couple of punk teenagers set a pit bull on fire. There was a big outcry, but some people commented that while abusing an animal was sad there were plenty of people who were mistreated in this city who were abused and whose cases garnered much less attention. Then within a few months of the pit bull incident one of the dog burning kids was charged with attempted murder. I know that's just one anecdote, but I think there's at least some evidence that animal abusers often become people abusers.
 

ichy

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People only care when its Animals that are "cute".

When it comes to "ugly" things like rats or pigeons, people couldn't care less.

I think rats are nasty vermin, however anyone who deliberately tortures them is a sicko. Trapping & killing them is one thing, if you do it quick & clean. Deliberately inflicting pain for your own amusement is something very different.