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Why Romney will not win the election

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blankslate

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Can anyone explain where Obama picked $250k from for his "rich" threshold? Why not 388k and index it to the top 1%?
$250k is a nice round number and probably many $250k households are that way because of dual incomes from college educated professionals. Yes it is an arbitrary number but depending on where you live $250k could be upper middle class and not rich by any means.
 

Smoblikat

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How is it that Romney is unelectable due to baseless allegations against him while Obama can never release his college transcripts or thesis and his supposed autobiography turns out to be a complete fabrication and that is no problem.
Not to mention he admits to being born in kenya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87pXa2pK6sg&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.westernjournalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Obama-Column.png

This is a picture of part of a story that was done on obama while attending harvord.
 
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His number was a random one he selected. He changed it a few times before finally settling on 250k as his final answer. As soon as he was elected, he made it his main goal to create a tax increase for everyone who makes less than that amount (via the ACA).
And yet he's still a "socialist." Got it . . .
 

a777pilot

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Of course he is, for implementing a health care program which is significantly less "socialist" than the one advanced by Richard Nixon.

LOL! Now that's funny.

Mr. Nixon was, till the election of obama, the most liberal president we have had , in post war America. You might want to do some research.
 

Thump553

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LOL! Now that's funny.

Mr. Nixon was, till the election of obama, the most liberal president we have had , in post war America. You might want to do some research.
Please don't take this as a personal attack, but do you have a problem with Alzheimer's? The only possible reason to even remotely consider Nixon a liberal is the extreme bend to the authoritarian right this country has taken since the eighties. I dare say that Obama (please note for the future that formal names should be capitalized) and Clinton could easily be considered to the right of Eisenhower.

Nixon the most liberal post war President? I know the GOP/Faux News tends to rebrand it's caught scondrels as Democrats, but still that's still pathetically humorous.
 

a777pilot

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Please don't take this as a personal attack, but do you have a problem with Alzheimer's? The only possible reason to even remotely consider Nixon a liberal is the extreme bend to the authoritarian right this country has taken since the eighties. I dare say that Obama (please note for the future that formal names should be capitalized) and Clinton could easily be considered to the right of Eisenhower.

Nixon the most liberal post war President? I know the GOP/Faux News tends to rebrand it's caught scondrels as Democrats, but still that's still pathetically humorous.
The first time I heard that I too was more than a little skeptical. Then I did my research. Turns out it's true. We don't know it because of his foreign policy adventures and the fact that he had no personality at all. Don't forget that the Press did not just dislike the man, they hated him. The feeling was mutual.

Go back and see what domestic legislation was initiated and/or passed while he was President.
 
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Not to mention he admits to being born in kenya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87pXa2pK6sg&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.westernjournalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Obama-Column.png

This is a picture of part of a story that was done on obama while attending harvord.
No, it's not. It's an excerp from a notice the publication company did of their authors to circulate within the publishing industry only and they openly state Obama had nothing to do with it, at all. They made an error.

But I'm guessing that won't slow you down any so, please, continue with your uninformed rantings.
 

Fern

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B) his reputation on out sourcing is bad. MANY around here hate him for that. They don't give a shit if he is a Republican. Shipping jobs out of the US pisses them off
From FactCheck.org:

But after reviewing numerous corporate filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, contemporary news accounts, company histories and press releases, and the evidence offered by both the Obama and Romney campaigns, we found no evidence to support the claim that Romney — while he was still running Bain Capital — shipped American jobs overseas.
http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/

They say both the "outsourcing jobs" and "corporate raider" claims are false.

One reason Romney will lose is that he doesn't know how to counter such false charges. He's great at managing, but no good at campaigning. The guy is literally the opposite of Obama.

Fern
 

Thump553

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The first time I heard that I too was more than a little skeptical. Then I did my research. Turns out it's true. We don't know it because of his foreign policy adventures and the fact that he had no personality at all. Don't forget that the Press did not just dislike the man, they hated him. The feeling was mutual.

Go back and see what domestic legislation was initiated and/or passed while he was President.
I was in college through the Nixon/Agnew years and was very politically active back then. You remember him "opening China"? It's precisely because Tricky Dick was a died in wool anti-communist/conservative that he was able to pull that off. Please enlighten me on liberal domestic legislation initiated by Nixon--but don't go claiming stuff Congress forced down his throat as initiated by him.
 

blankslate

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LOL! Now that's funny. Mr. Nixon was, till the election of obama, the most liberal president we have had , in post war America. You might want to do some research.
Yes you make a very good point, as Nixon took many moderate positions that would be called liberal these days.
But you also highlight how far to the right that the "mainstream" republican party has moved since then. President Nixon much like President Reagan would be called a....

R.epublican
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by today's republicans.
 
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Fern

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Lot of innuendo, but then again it's Krugman.

Look, if we can see from his tax return that he has foreign accounts, so can the IRS. Where you typically find tax evasion the foreign bank accounts involved are UNdisclosed. No one uses disclosed foreign accounts, the IRS is all over those and has been for some years now.

Fern
 

waggy

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From FactCheck.org:



http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/

They say both the "outsourcing jobs" and "corporate raider" claims are false.

One reason Romney will lose is that he doesn't know how to counter such false charges. He's great at managing, but no good at campaigning. The guy is literally the opposite of Obama.

Fern
to be honest that don't matter. Same as Obama's birth certificate.

Perception of the fact stands that he ships jobs over seas. Right now the huge portion of Dems see it as fact and some Republicans.

i also don't think the guy is a idiot but again that's how he comes off and people thinks.

i do think he is out of touch though.

the man is not well liked at all around where i live and its a R area.
 
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Charles Kozierok

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Hey stop!!!! Remember it's a fee, not a tax, i mean it's a revenue enhancer, no a penalty, wait a tax!
Actually, the individual mandate is the ultimate conservatism.

Here, let the expert explain it to you.

PS Still waiting for anyone to say they actually are voting for Romney, as opposed to against Obama. I don't think I have *ever* seen such poor positive support for any presidential candidate.
 

waggy

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Actually, the individual mandate is the ultimate conservatism.

Here, let the expert explain it to you.

PS Still waiting for anyone to say they actually are voting for Romney, as opposed to against Obama. I don't think I have *ever* seen such poor positive support for any presidential candidate.
personally i hate them both. not that it much matters which one is president. Only thing different is which big business they are going to back.
 

blackangst1

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Apparently Im supposed to be more outraged at what Mitt does with his money than what Obama does with mine...interesting.
 

blankslate

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http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-...cer-overreach/ They say both the "outsourcing jobs" and "corporate raider" claims are false. One reason Romney will lose is that he doesn't know how to counter such false charges. He's great at managing, but no good at campaigning. The guy is literally the opposite of Obama. Fern
This article shows that Bain actually invested in businesses that facilitated the outsourcing of jobs while Romney was still with Bain.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/romneys-bain-capital-invested-in-companies-that-moved-jobs-overseas/2012/06/21/gJQAsD9ptV_story.html?hpid=z1

Mitt Romney’s financial company, Bain Capital, invested in a series of firms that specialized in relocating jobs done by American workers to new facilities in low-wage countries like China and India. During the nearly 15 years that Romney was actively involved in running Bain, a private equity firm that he founded, it owned companies that were pioneers in the practice of shipping work from the United States to overseas call centers and factories making computer components, according to filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Until Romney left Bain Capital in 1999, he ran it with a proprietor’s zeal and attention to detail, earning a reputation for smart, hands-on management.
Bain’s foray into outsourcing began in 1993 when the private equity firm took a stake in Corporate Software Inc., or CSI, after helping to finance a $93 million buyout of the firm. CSI, which catered to technology companies like Microsoft, provided a range of services including outsourcing of customer support. Initially, CSI employed U.S. workers to provide these services but by the mid-1990s was setting up call centers outside the country.
Then the article goes on into more detail. The upshot is that Romney was at Bain when it started to get involved in outsourcing jobs.
 

blankslate

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Apparently Im supposed to be more outraged at what Mitt does with his money than what Obama does with mine...interesting.
If Romney gets elected then what is he going to do with your money? President Obama is trying to spend more money on infrastructure and the jobs that would be associated with that new infrastructure.


Much of which does need repair badly. Remember that bridge collapse last decade.
However, the tea party Republicans in the House are pretty good at stymieing infrastructure spending...


What would Romney spend public money on? If he released more than just one tax filing, Governor Romney would show us more of what he is about and it would be easier for fence sitters to trust him.

His father, George Romney, released 12 of his during his 1968 presidential bid.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/romney-tax-return-debate-personal/story?id=16747114
Governor Romney should just release 11 more tax returns to get rid of the noise surrounding this talking point issue.
 

blackangst1

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This article shows that Bain actually invested in businesses that facilitated the outsourcing of jobs while Romney was still with Bain.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/romneys-bain-capital-invested-in-companies-that-moved-jobs-overseas/2012/06/21/gJQAsD9ptV_story.html?hpid=z1



Then the article goes on into more detail. The upshot is that Romney was at Bain when it started to get involved in outsourcing jobs.
I bet Romney has a cousin who is married to someone who hates blacks.

Romney is a racist.
 

nageov3t

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

As it stands right now at this moment, Romney will be shellacked almost as badly as McCain was in 2008. And this is going to last a lifetime too; when the ACA is inevitably as popular as SS and Medicare, and people see the economy start booming again in 2013, they won't be looking fondly upon Romney or the GOP "ideas".
bolded the important part.

it's worth mentioning that the Romney campaign hasn't really been rolling out ads in a major way.

as it stands right now, Obama is outspending Romney 3:1 and has run 7 negative ads versus Romney's 1... I doubt it will stay that way for long, though. most seem to suspect that the Romney campaign is waiting until the late summer/fall to really unload their cash machine.
 
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sandorski

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This Republican race has been one of the oddest spectacles I have ever witnessed. Political leadership races of this sort(the world over) usually consist of Used Car Salesperson types with 1 or 2 having exceptional Communication skills or populist appeal eventually winning out. This race, however, consisted of a group of batshit crazy nutjobs with a single Used Car Salesperson in Mitt Romney. I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, but let's face it, there is no way that Romney wasn't going to be the Candidate at the end of the race.
 

Fern

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This article shows that Bain actually invested in businesses that facilitated the outsourcing of jobs while Romney was still with Bain.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/romneys-bain-capital-invested-in-companies-that-moved-jobs-overseas/2012/06/21/gJQAsD9ptV_story.html?hpid=z1



Then the article goes on into more detail. The upshot is that Romney was at Bain when it started to get involved in outsourcing jobs.
Flat-out wrong according to the Washington Post itself:

The actual article, in fact, does not say that transfers of U.S. jobs took place while Romney ran the private equity firm of Bain Capital. (Since Romney kept an ownership stake in Bain, he may have still benefited from transactions, but “advising” is another matter.)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-new-attacks-on-romney-and-outsourcing/2012/06/29/gJQA5FbbCW_blog.html

Fern
 
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If Romney gets elected then what is he going to do with your money? President Obama is trying to spend more money on infrastructure and the jobs that would be associated with that new infrastructure.


Much of which does need repair badly. Remember that bridge collapse last decade.
However, the tea party Republicans in the House are pretty good at stymieing infrastructure spending...


What would Romney spend public money on? If he released more than just one tax filing, Governor Romney would show us more of what he is about and it would be easier for fence sitters to trust him.

His father, George Romney, released 12 of his during his 1968 presidential bid.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/romney-tax-return-debate-personal/story?id=16747114
Governor Romney should just release 11 more tax returns to get rid of the noise surrounding this talking point issue.
IMO...it's a stupid talking point issue and Romney should ignore it.
 

DucatiMonster696

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One of my favourite quotes:

"Romney is a corporation masquerading as a candidate"
That is a a very ironic statement because you can apply that statement to a host of political candidates in this nation, including Obama who as additional special interest groups that he supports or are supporting him which include private businesses.
 
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Lithium381

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Are saying 250k is not rich? It's only more than 4 times what I make and I don't consider myself poor by any stretch. I know if I made 250k /year I sure as hell would feel rich.

That is more money than 99 percent of P&N will ever make in there lifetime in a year.
I'm not saying that at all. I would LOVE to have an income of 250k!! That's 6 times what I'm pulling down! I was just curious as to WHY that number was chosen. As multiple people have said it's because it was a nice round number and it's not indexed to anything though. Just like the AMT which is now creeping down and hitting people it wasn't originally designed to hit. . .
 

Lithium381

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Is that like obama creating jobs for our infrastructure with "shovel ready jobs" and putting americans to work at GREEN jobs that never actually existed, at a cost of 1 million per job, which lasted what, 6 months?

unemployment went down, unemployment went down! that's because people are hitting the limit of claiming unemployment or have simply stopped looking. . . .
 

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