Why Republicans claim they can't make a deal with Obama

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Fern

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Can anyone provide me with details on what Obama is offering to cut??

Good luck...

Yep.

(At least I've had no luck.)

Actually the word out of Washington is that it is the President who is irrelevant.

Congressional leaders are the ones who are going to put a deal together and hand it to Obama and Obama may have very little impact on the deal, unless he wants to veto it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...the-dealmaker/2011/03/29/gIQApC9gEI_blog.html

I've been wondering why he put the focus on himself this time, can't think of a reason other than next year's election. Budget's and spending are Congress's domain.

He let Reid and Pelosi handle the stimulus and HC, why suddenly jump in now?

Fern
 
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senseamp

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Because I'm in a small town. We don't have any university students here. We don't have any US gov offices except a few people in a small office in a bank building that handle some SS stuff.

We don't have any suppliers to Uncle Sam, nor any contractors. We don't have any military bases.

The closest park is a state park, not a national park.

We have a lot of retirees (most are rich), but they might SS retirement checks. However, for reasons that have already been well discussed I don't think that will happen.

I see no effect for my town or county.

Fern

You are simply clueless then. Employees, suppliers, contractors, and beneficiaries of Uncle Sam are not going to be spending much in the private sector economy if they are laid off or unpaid. The reduced demand will hit every sector of the economy. Hard.
 

Jhhnn

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I've been wondering why he put the focus on himself this time, can't think of a reason other than next year's election. Budget's and spending are Congress's domain.

He let Reid and Pelosi handle the stimulus and HC, why suddenly jump in now?

Because it's important for Dems to exhaust every reasonable remedy, every honest effort prior to right wing ideologues forcing default w/ catastrophic consequences. It's important for everybody to understand who the bad guys are should it come to that.

Simple.
 

Fern

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You are simply clueless then. Employees, suppliers, contractors, and beneficiaries of Uncle Sam are not going to be spending much in the private sector economy if they are laid off or unpaid. The reduced demand will hit every sector of the economy. Hard.

Reread my post. We have none of them here, nor anywhere near.

Looks like being isolated here in the mountains has it's benefits.

Fern
 

Jhhnn

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Reread my post. We have none of them here, nor anywhere near.

Looks like being isolated here in the mountains has it's benefits.

Fern

You might be surprised at just how far a forced implosion can spread.

Anybody in your neck of the woods on SS or Medicare? Extended unemployment benefits?

Any military families, or families of govt contractors off somewhere on assignment?

Any local banks w/ FDIC oversight?

Does your state & local govt operate completely independently of federal funding?

The list goes on from there...
 

senseamp

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Reread my post. We have none of them here, nor anywhere near.

Looks like being isolated here in the mountains has it's benefits.

Fern

No it doesn't, you aren't isolated and you'll be impacted. You don't have to be directly involved with government. The overall economy is going to tank, NOT JUST THE GOVERNMENT SECTOR.
 

Fern

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In every economic downturn/recession I've personally lived through there are pockets of the country that are harder hit, and there are pockets that pretty much go untouched.

I'm saying I live in a pocket that just isn't going to see much, if any, effect.

Fern
 

GarfieldtheCat

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So typical that npj cuts and runs from another thread.....a true republican would not cut and run, would they?
 

piasabird

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We will default eventually Under O'Bammah and the Democrats. By the end of 2012, the debt ceiling will be so high we will not be able to pay the debt no matter what we do. How do you see O'Bammah making any chages that will actually improve quality of life in any way. The poor man's taxes are going up to pay the bill. Hope you like the idea of a 40% raise in taxes, and all jobs leaving America. This is the path we are on. So if this is the future you want go ahead and vote democratic.
 

AbAbber2k

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We will default eventually Under O'Bammah and the Democrats. By the end of 2012, the debt ceiling will be so high we will not be able to pay the debt no matter what we do. How do you see O'Bammah making any chages that will actually improve quality of life in any way. The poor man's taxes are going up to pay the bill. Hope you like the idea of a 40% raise in taxes, and all jobs leaving America. This is the path we are on. So if this is the future you want go ahead and vote democratic.

Ahahahahaha!
 

Jhhnn

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We will default eventually Under O'Bammah and the Democrats. By the end of 2012, the debt ceiling will be so high we will not be able to pay the debt no matter what we do. How do you see O'Bammah making any chages that will actually improve quality of life in any way. The poor man's taxes are going up to pay the bill. Hope you like the idea of a 40% raise in taxes, and all jobs leaving America. This is the path we are on. So if this is the future you want go ahead and vote democratic.

Fearmonger much, with false attribution as well?

Obviously so.

Total federal debt was nearly $12T at the end of FY 2009. Republican presidents held veto power over the budget for 20 of the preceding 28 years. Debt accumulation slowed only when they didn't control the executive branch. Total debt increased from $1T to that $12T figure during that time. Republicans never cared a bit about debt when they were in control, particularly in the 2003-2005 timeframe, when they controlled both the legislative & executive branches, & the record proves it. They even cut taxes & went to war in the same breath, a first in the history of the nation.

Obviously, the best time to get all weepy about it is when the economy is in poor condition, and when federal income taxes are at their lowest rates of the post WW2 period. Now is obviously the right time to raise hell & threaten default on existing debt as a show of some sort of "principles", as if they've exhibited any in the past, as if there's some real solution that doesn't involve raising taxes.

In the sense that Obama is holding taxes low and increasing debt by leaps & bounds, he's only doing exactly what his last 3 Republican predecessors did...

But it's all Obama's fault. Everything.

But when Ronnie, GHWB & GWB did it, everything was peachy. Really. According to the brain dead right wing partisans in this forum, anyway.
 

jman19

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Increasing the debt limit would be a concession.


As sensamp points out many of them want a balanced budget amendment to be part of the deal. They want a long term solution that does not require us to come back and ask for more money in another 2 years.

Your dishonesty is stunning. The Repubs never intended to let the US default.