Why Punishing People With Exercise Is Stupid

[Gizmo j]

In the military, and sometimes in schools, people often punish people by making them do exercises such as pushups.

The reason that's stupid is because you're teaching them to hate exercise, you should teach them to ENJOY exercise!

(Instructor) "If anyone gives me any backtalk, your going to go to the corner a do pushups!

(Student) "backtalks"

(Instructor) Go to the corner and do pushups! Let that be an example for the rest of you! If you don't want to do pushups you shouldn't backtalk me!



(Second Student) I actually WANT to do pushups because I'm an athlete and trying to become stronger for my sport, so I'm going to do pushups alongside the first student who's being punished


(Instructor) WHY ARE YOU DOING PUSHUPS WHEN YOU'RE NOT BEING PUNISHED!?

(Second Student) because I want to become stronger...

(Instructor) YOUR MAKING ME LOOK BAD!

IF YOU DO PUSHUPS WHEN NOT BEING PUNISHED IT MAKES IT SEEM LIKE ITS NOT A PUNISHMENT! YOU SHOULD BE TRYING TO "AVOID" DOING PUSHUPS!

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

'if I can't make you smart I will make you strong' was the reasoning my MTI gave us.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

It's not about the exercise, it's about social consequences of having to go do something else while everybody else does [something more interesting.]

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

It's not about the exercise, it's about social consequences of having to go do something else while everybody else does [something more interesting.]

Well let's be clear, usually in basic at least everyone gets punished for the actions of one. Everyone fucks up so you avoid the individual consequence from the group, but understand the suffering that everyone goes through so you tend to learn real quick.

 

[nakedfrog]

'if I can't make you smart I will make you strong' was the reasoning my MTI gave us.

I don't think I ever saw ours dole out push-ups as a punishment. I think some people had to do laps? IDK, I tried to stay invisible, I think I had to give up a 341 once.
Funny enough, I can do more push-ups now than I could when I got out of basic.

 

[lxskllr]

None of those situations are plausible. Anyone dumb enough to play those games has a good chance of going 1v1 with sensei. You do your pushups, you enjoy them, and you don't screwup again.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I don't think I ever saw ours dole out push-ups as a punishment. I think some people had to do laps? IDK, I tried to stay invisible, I think I had to give up a 341 once.
Funny enough, I can do more push-ups now than I could when I got out of basic.

Only 341 I gave up was from my MTI mistaking me for someone else, then getting mad for wasting her time. I was a ghost in basic.

 

[Red Squirrel]

The trick is you're suppose to refuse, and then punch the drill sergeant. That shows that you have a strong stance of dominance and that you're a baller. Bonus if you refer to the drill sergeant as "bro" and tell him you slept with his wife.

 

[pmv]

Reminiscent of the Tory policy of "short sharp shock" - sending offenders to 'tough' jails where they have to do lots of exercise. Just produced lots of very fit, strong criminals, who could outrun and outfight the cops. Would have been better to sentence them to sitting on the sofa all day while eating chips and biscuits.

 

[sandorski]

Next time instead of a Ban, maybe you will have to have to Login by striking a key 120 strokes/min for 5 minutes.

Good luck.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

I did Combat Arms in the Army - physical exercise punishment was doled out incessantly. At any given moment someone was being singled out and getting smoked which would then turn into our entire Platoon getting smoked repetitively.

I watched soldiers get smoked on the range, we got smoked in-line to eat within the mess hall, during fire watch, in line to get our heads shaved...
Push-ups were appreciated, get-up-get-down burpee esque exercises were miserable.

The PT never stopped, we'd run at 5am, we'd run after chow at 7pm. My final PT score coming out of basic was ~270. Maxed the push-ups & sit-ups but my 2-mile run was in the 13's and I needed under 12-minutes for a 100pts.

Mentally you grew to enjoy it, appreciate it, and embraced the suck.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

My philosophy: It's not about the exercise, It's about doing something you like to do; exercise is simply an unavoidable ancillary benefit. I have never engaged in different forms of sportsball, surfing, skateboarding, mountain biking, martial arts/combat sports, tennis, racketball, hacky sack, disc golf, or anything else to get exercise. Do them because they are fun and you get a dopamine fix.

Strength training is the only thing I do I don't always enjoy. Sometimes mixing it up with weights is deeply satisfying, other times it is pure druggery. But the payoff is that it makes all the things I do like doing more fun.

That military training seems to go one of 2 ways. You are an athlete for the rest of your life. Or you become the Pillsbury Dough Boy. My friend's kid was a good athlete growing up. Joined the Marines in HS. Once he got out he turned into Poppin Fresh. 🤣 My bro-in-law was a Ranger/Green Beret in 'Nam, retired at colonel. He is in his 70s and could probably still beat the breaks off of most 25 year olds.

 

[nakedfrog]

I did Combat Arms in the Army - physical exercise punishment was doled out incessantly. At any given moment someone was being singled out and getting smoked which would then turn into our entire Platoon getting smoked repetitively.

I watched soldiers get smoked on the range, we got smoked in-line to eat within the mess hall, during fire watch, in line to get our heads shaved...
Push-ups were appreciated, get-up-get-down burpee esque exercises were miserable.

The PT never stopped, we'd run at 5am, we'd run after chow at 7pm. My final PT score coming out of basic was ~270. Maxed the push-ups & sit-ups but my 2-mile run was in the 13's and I needed under 12-minutes for a 100pts.

Mentally you grew to enjoy it, appreciate it, and embraced the suck.

Sounds stupid to me, but then, I was in the Chair Force in an AFSC where only a pretty small percentage of people made it through the nine months of tech school to graduation. Sort of opposite ends of operational requirements.

My philosophy: It's not about the exercise, It's about doing something you like to do; exercise is simply an unavoidable ancillary benefit. I have never engaged in different forms of sportsball, surfing, skateboarding, mountain biking, martial arts/combat sports, tennis, racketball, hacky sack, disc golf, or anything else to get exercise. Do them because they are fun and you get a dopamine fix.

Strength training is the only thing I do I don't always enjoy. Sometimes mixing it up with weights is deeply satisfying, other times it is pure druggery. But the payoff is that it makes all the things I do like doing more fun.

That military training seems to go one of 2 ways. You are an athlete for the rest of your life. Or you become the Pillsbury Dough Boy. My friend's kid was a good athlete growing up. Joined the Marines in HS. Once he got out he turned into Poppin Fresh. 🤣 My bro-in-law was a Ranger/Green Beret in 'Nam, retired at colonel. He is in his 70s and could probably still beat the breaks off of most 25 year olds.

IDK, I got steadily fatter after I got out for the next fifteen years or so, it's only these past few years since I came out of the closet that I've become athletic. Thinking about my family members that have served, there seems to be a bit of spread (some of them were national guard, which may figure in differently)
I do agree about your philosophy regarding doing something you like to do though.

And the typo of "drudgery" as "druggery" was a bit amusing 😄

 

[Torn Mind]

Did someone like OP watch a Chinese obesity documentary on Youtube? Because that is the most plausible source for school coericion. PE here is nothing like that.

 

[nakedfrog]

Did someone like OP watch a Chinese obesity documentary on Youtube? Because that is the most plausible source for school coericion. PE here is nothing like that.

Uh, maybe PE where you went to school was nothing like that, there were definitely exercise punishments when I was in PE.

 

[Stiff Clamp]

Reminds me of this one time in middle school, the PE teacher commanded the whole class to run laps around the small field to warm up. So we did.
However . . . this one guy, who was somewhat pudgy, just walked.
Disobeyed because he didn't feel like running. 🙄
So, after repeatedly exhorting him to run, and not getting compliance, the PE teacher ordered another student to chase the stubborn guy around the field, kicking his ass the whole way. Literally kicking! It was hilarious.
He did break into a jog and completed a lap . . . while hotly pursued.

I will say that guy did pretty much no work at school. Just kind of went through the motions in all classes.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

So, after repeatedly exhorting him to run, and not getting compliance, the PE teacher ordered another student to chase the stubborn guy around the field, kicking his ass the whole way. Literally kicking! It was hilarious.

That's some sadistic shit. Not cool.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Well let's be clear, usually in basic at least everyone gets punished for the actions of one. Everyone fucks up so you avoid the individual consequence from the group, but understand the suffering that everyone goes through so you tend to learn real quick.

Ah.

To clarify, I never was in the military I was just talking about gym class.

 

[Red Squirrel]

That's some sadistic shit. Not cool.

Honestly people like that sometimes need a little push. I know someone like that, lives with family, has zero interest of moving out, gets a ride everywhere, doesn't even go for walks or do any exercise, eats takeout every day. He'll probably be dead before 40 because nobody really pushes him, not even the ones he's living with, maybe they tried and gave up, I don't know. He won't even snowblow the driveway or do basic chores around the house.