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Why OpenBSD?

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n0cmonkey

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bsd today article

Yes, its a BSD site, so of course they would be promoting BSDs. But I thought it was an interresting read without really getting into the Linux vs BSD thing. Not the most technical reasons, but legitimate ones (in my opinion) none the less.

I'm just a humble businessman trying to make an honest living selling Internet services without getting pillaged by script kiddies. I want a platform that just works.
 
interesting read, One of these days I got to get openBSD on a box that works.
I installed it like a year ago on an old pentium100, but it had a screwy hard drive.
 
The only problems I have had with it were due to screwy hardware. My old (free) Dell machine runs well most of the time as a firewall/router, but on rare occassions it crashes. It also cant run eccP for Team Anandtech which is disappointing. It maybe that I did not install all of the software though, but Im betting its just crappy hardware.
 
to n0cmonkey: Don't kill me - I am just a messenger 🙂

I've heard that Microsoft is going to support BSD (not in terms of selling, but investing some money in development) just to make people stay away from Linux
 


<< to n0cmonkey: Don't kill me - I am just a messenger 🙂

I've heard that Microsoft is going to support BSD (not in terms of selling, but investing some money in development) just to make people stay away from Linux >>



A'la Apple
 


<< to n0cmonkey: Don't kill me - I am just a messenger 🙂

I've heard that Microsoft is going to support BSD (not in terms of selling, but investing some money in development) just to make people stay away from Linux >>



I wouldnt kill you for information like that. Id like to see a link or something if you have one. But with all the BSD code they use they might as well throw some money at it, even if its only to Apple (who is supporting Open Source developers damn well!).
 
2n0cmonkey: I'll try to dig for the article.

BTW Do new versions of BSD support kernel threads? I know you can use threads in user space using library, but it is not good for performance.
 


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<< to n0cmonkey: Don't kill me - I am just a messenger 🙂

I've heard that Microsoft is going to support BSD (not in terms of selling, but investing some money in development) just to make people stay away from Linux >>



I wouldnt kill you for information like that. Id like to see a link or something if you have one. But with all the BSD code they use they might as well throw some money at it, even if its only to Apple (who is supporting Open Source developers damn well!). >>





Why is that something to be happy about? More then likely Microsoft will just use any BSD code that comes out of this little campaign to accomplish their goals and copyright it away from the BSD community. Then claim that they are the ones innovating and push technology foward while offering nothing in return to those who provided a means towards helping them maintain their monopoly. This is just my opinion though.


P.S. As a matter of fact what has Apple done lately to help out the Open Source and BSD community ? Have they given back in return and provided help with code for non-Apple projects ? Or ported over any apps to BSD ? Am just asking here not picking a fight or anything.
 


<< Why is that something to be happy about? More then likely Microsoft will just use any BSD code that comes out of this little campaign to accomplish their goals and copyright it away from the BSD community. Then claim that they are the ones innovating and push technology foward while offering nothing in return to those who provided a means towards helping them maintain their monopoly. This is just my opinion though. >>




they already do that to an extent .. i think its funny how microsoft talks about open source like its some marxist regime .. when they use bsd code in their tcpip stack .. if you run wsock32.dll through 'strings' you will see it say something along the lines of "copyright of the Regents at Berkely University" ..
-neural
 
Hmmm. Didn't find anything in wsock32.dll, but:

nslookup.exe:
Copyright (c) 1985,1989 Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved

ftp.exe
Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.

finger.exe
Copyright (c) 1980 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.

rcp.exe
Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.

rsh.exe
Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
 
they already do that to an extent .. i think its funny how microsoft talks about open source like its some marxist regime ..

No, they say the GPL is bad, not Open Source in general. They even went so far as to write a .Net C# interpreter for FreeBSD. They hate the GPL cause they can't legally use the code, BSD code they can copy and paste to their blackened hearts content.
 


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<< to n0cmonkey: Don't kill me - I am just a messenger 🙂

I've heard that Microsoft is going to support BSD (not in terms of selling, but investing some money in development) just to make people stay away from Linux >>



I wouldnt kill you for information like that. Id like to see a link or something if you have one. But with all the BSD code they use they might as well throw some money at it, even if its only to Apple (who is supporting Open Source developers damn well!). >>





Why is that something to be happy about? More then likely Microsoft will just use any BSD code that comes out of this little campaign to accomplish their goals and copyright it away from the BSD community. Then claim that they are the ones innovating and push technology foward while offering nothing in return to those who provided a means towards helping them maintain their monopoly. This is just my opinion though. >>



Because thats what the BSD license is about. FREE code. Whether you want to make it commercial or keep it open source.




<< P.S. As a matter of fact what has Apple done lately to help out the Open Source and BSD community ? Have they given back in return and provided help with code for non-Apple projects ? Or ported over any apps to BSD ? Am just asking here not picking a fight or anything. >>



I think it was fink.sourceforge.net (not positive on the link). Apple is providing the fink project guys (porting dselect and other projects through dselect to Mac OS X) with software and machines to compile/test code on. Not perfect, but they are new at the Open Source thing.
 
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