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Why no one should consider voting for Marco Rubio.

blastingcap

blastingcap

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/05/17/iraq-war-paul-rubio-2016/27484055/

"On Fox News Sunday, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, another 2016 contender, said he could not fault George W. Bush for the decision to invade Iraq.

"It was not a mistake," Rubio said. "He made the right decision based on the information he had at that time" though key parts of the information has proved wrong. Rubio sparred with host Chris Wallace over whether he would have made the same decision to invade Iraq knowing what is now known about the flawed intelligence that showed Hussien was close to having weapons of mass destruction. Rubio argued that it's not a meaningful question because "presidents don't have the benefit of hindsight."

If you do not after all this time recognize that the 2003 Iraq invasion was a bad idea, and dodge the question by saying it's not meaningful, then you should be disqualified from being President. Remember, this dope would have authority to launch nukes as president. How many of the 2016 contenders would you trust with that red button?
 
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Looks like someone has been polishing an answer that will appease the super conservative primary voters and the more mainstream presidential voters and completely failed.
 
blastingcap said:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/05/17/iraq-war-paul-rubio-2016/27484055/

"On Fox News Sunday, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, another 2016 contender, said he could not fault George W. Bush for the decision to invade Iraq.

"It was not a mistake," Rubio said. "He made the right decision based on the information he had at that time" though key parts of the information has proved wrong. Rubio sparred with host Chris Wallace over whether he would have made the same decision to invade Iraq knowing what is now known about the flawed intelligence that showed Hussien was close to having weapons of mass destruction. Rubio argued that it's not a meaningful question because "presidents don't have the benefit of hindsight."

If you do not after all this time recognize that the 2003 Iraq invasion was a bad idea, and dodge the question by saying it's not meaningful, then you should be disqualified from being President. Remember, this dope would have authority to launch nukes as president. How many of the 2016 contenders would you trust with that red button?
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I'd vote for him.

He's right about hindsight.
 
Atreus21 said:
I'd vote for him.

He's right about hindsight.
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That's nuts. Just because presidents don't have the benefit of hindsight doesn't mean he can't recognize bad ideas when he sees them.

There's the saying that those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. He's saying he doesn't care about them.

Do you really want to vote for someone who is openly that irresponsible? We finally had eight years of grown ups in the White House. Let's not go back to the proud ignorance.
 
I'm not sure about hindsight.

He's Cuban, and apparently a bit biased about the past right there, as he opposed opening up trade and travel to Cuba again.

He's a twat in my book, end of story I guess.
 
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"It was not a mistake," Rubio said.
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That's the party line? Disgusting.

And yeah, his Cuba policy is ridiculous. We need to socially and economically latch onto central and south America. Not turn them away as enemies.
 
I've got to laugh. If Rubio or any other Republican candidate denounced the 'Bush War' in any manner, either milquetoast or fist-pounding, not a single leftist would vote for Rubio or that Republican candidate anyway. All it is is a 'gotcha' question. One that makes the person asking feel smug.
 
boomerang said:
I've got to laugh. If Rubio or any other Republican candidate denounced the 'Bush War' in any manner, either milquetoast or fist-pounding, not a single leftist would vote for Rubio or that Republican candidate anyway. All it is is a 'gotcha' question. One that makes the person asking feel smug.
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How about being less calculated and say what you think. Even Laura Ingram said that its illogical to say Iraq went as expected.
Keep it simple just say no, I wouldn't
 
eskimospy said:
That's nuts. Just because presidents don't have the benefit of hindsight doesn't mean he can't recognize bad ideas when he sees them.

There's the saying that those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. He's saying he doesn't care about them.

Do you really want to vote for someone who is openly that irresponsible? We finally had eight years of grown ups in the White House. Let's not go back to the proud ignorance.
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The invasion of Iraq will go down in history as the single biggest fuckup in our nations history from a foreign policy standpoint. And, you don't need hindsight to know that. Anyone with even a single functioning brain cell could have seen the games being played by Cheney's boys from days after 9/11 and known some serious shit was going down.

That they got nearly 100% of Republicans to support the invasion is no great surprise, but what was surprising was that they got enough Dems to go along. Including Hillary Clinton!


Brian
 
Actually, were I making my decision solely on the response to this question, Rubio would get my vote. Of the statements published in the article, Rubio's was the only one that was definitive and objectively correct. Presidents do not have the benefit of hindsight. the question was asked with the addendum, 'given what we now know about the flawed intelligence', and he is right in denouncing the question. There is no 'given what we now know' - a president needs to make the best decision they can with the information they have available.

that said, i don't particularly like rubio for other reasons. i'll probably vote for paul.
 
Fayd said:
Actually, were I making my decision solely on the response to this question, Rubio would get my vote. Of the statements published in the article, Rubio's was the only one that was definitive and objectively correct. Presidents do not have the benefit of hindsight. the question was asked with the addendum, 'given what we now know about the flawed intelligence', and he is right in denouncing the question. There is no 'given what we now know' - a president needs to make the best decision they can with the information they have available.
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how is it not a fair question to ask whether or not a potential President is capable of learning from the past?
 
loki8481 said:
how is it not a fair question to ask whether or not a potential President is capable of learning from the past?
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because you're asking if he can divine the future. it's a ridiculous question to ask. there's no way to know 'what we now know' back then.
 
Fayd said:
because you're asking if he can divine the future. it's a ridiculous question to ask. there's no way to know 'what we now know' back then.
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No one is asking about the future, they are simply ascertaining if he is capable of recognizing bad decisions from a historical stand point.

To contrast and compare; when Clinton was asked about his policy on getting tough on crime, he recognized that the bill passed cast too wide of a net, his wife was also able to see her husbands mistakes and support a policy to undue the harm done.

But I guess that's the difference between a righty and a lefty, one is capable of admitting mistakes while the other is capable of explaining tier mistakes away.
 
ivwshane said:
No one is asking about the future, they are simply ascertaining if he is capable of recognizing bad decisions from a historical stand point.

To contrast and compare; when Clinton was asked about his policy on getting tough on crime, he recognized that the bill passed cast too wide of a net, his wife was also able to see her husbands mistakes and support a policy to undue the harm done.

But I guess that's the difference between a righty and a lefty, one is capable of admitting mistakes while the other is capable of explaining tier mistakes away.
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Yes, Dems are more likely to admit they were wrong and work to right it but the right won't do that because admitting error is unmanly. True men never admit error! 🙁


Brian
 
Brian Stirling said:
The invasion of Iraq will go down in history as the single biggest fuckup in our nations history from a foreign policy standpoint. And, you don't need hindsight to know that. Anyone with even a single functioning brain cell could have seen the games being played by Cheney's boys from days after 9/11 and known some serious shit was going down.

That they got nearly 100% of Republicans to support the invasion is no great surprise, but what was surprising was that they got enough Dems to go along. Including Hillary Clinton!


Brian
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Don't you remember the climate of fear the Republicans created? You're either with us or against us. Many Democrats didn't have the spine to buck the climate the Republicans created, because they knew they would be attacked for it.
Many Democrats also didn't realize the extent of the politicization of the intelligence.
AFAIK the vote for authorization of war didn't mean we were going to war, it gave the president the authority to go to war. Not everyone knew Bush was determined to go to war with Iraq.
I blame everyone that voted for Bush,who put the incompetent in power. Not me, and not Hillary.
 
marincounty said:
Don't you remember the climate of fear the Republicans created? You're either with us or against us. Many Democrats didn't have the spine to buck the climate the Republicans created, because they knew they would be attacked for it.
Many Democrats also didn't realize the extent of the politicization of the intelligence.
AFAIK the vote for authorization of war didn't mean we were going to war, it gave the president the authority to go to war. Not everyone knew Bush was determined to go to war with Iraq.
I blame everyone that voted for Bush,who put the incompetent in power. Not me, and not Hillary.
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Yes indeed, the Cheney group promoted fear and made it policy. And it's true that some that might not have voted for the war did so because they feared the political treatment they would have received if they had not voted for the war.

In Hillary's case, however, she had in addition to the fear that was spread by the Cheney group she had to consider the large and influential Jewish vote in NY so it's likely she would have voted in favor of the war even without the fear being marketed by the admin.


Brian
 
My favorite part is how he further said "the world today is a better place without Saddaam."

what a fucking idiot. That was a ~2004 talking point, that most people would likely agree with at the time. Now, since everyone that reads knows how patently untrue that is, he comes out sounding like an ignorant fool.

Here's a gamble: How about acknowledging mistakes and suggesting that valuable lessons should be learned, and not double down on stupid?

ah well, politicians.
 
boomerang said:
I've got to laugh. If Rubio or any other Republican candidate denounced the 'Bush War' in any manner, either milquetoast or fist-pounding, not a single leftist would vote for Rubio or that Republican candidate anyway. All it is is a 'gotcha' question. One that makes the person asking feel smug.
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I like how asking "was this huge blunder a blunder" is a gotcha question to you idiots.
 
Any one that say "a gotcha question" reminds me of Palin and is immediately invalidated as having a real opinion also in my mind.
 
"gotcha" question = have you stopped beating your wife?

are you capable of learning from past mistakes and can you apply historical lessons for possible future scenarios =! "gotcha" question.
 
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