Why no one should consider voting for Hillary Clinton

[werepossum]

If any "normal" citizen destroyed information that was requested, subpoenaed, and under legal protection, they would be held in contempt of court, congress, and be held to whatever laws could be thrown at them.

I have had my emails subpoenaed by the FBI and SEC, including anything I sent to my personal account and anything I worked on with my home computers. You know what I did? I kept every HDD I had. Why? Because not only could I be arrested if I didn't product them, but my career would be ruined.

That she, or any other politician, isn't held to that standard is only evidence that we, as a people, have lost our way as a Republic.

She shouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell at winning the election. Combine the emails with the Foundation issues and you have a person that is the ultimate representation of corruption.

Power corrupts but absolute power corrupts absolutely.


And as to her emails probably getting hacked, do you really think that she had *EVERYTHING* she needed to have to protect her "server" in her little house in Chappaqua NY? Firewalls, 24/7 monitoring, intrusion detection....etc.

Well said. Unfortunately there are tons of low information Americans eager to vote for her. At least equally unfortunately, the Pubbies are unlikely to put up anyone significantly better, and the third parties collectively have no chance.

This is the true beauty of democracy - we get the leaders we deserve.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Unfortunately there are tons of low information Americans eager to vote for her.

lol...like the high info voters of P&N know the way to a brighter future

 

[boomerang]

Election is still a year and a half away, this shit getting old all ready.

I hear ya brother. I've said it numerous times before, there is no reason this whole process couldn't be shortened up drastically. We live in an age of instant communication. Kick off the primary campaign after the 4th of July, sort that out in early September and have the election in early November.

 

[fskimospy]

Well said. Unfortunately there are tons of low information Americans eager to vote for her. At least equally unfortunately, the Pubbies are unlikely to put up anyone significantly better, and the third parties collectively have no chance.

This is the true beauty of democracy - we get the leaders we deserve.

Do you consider yourself a high or low information voter?

 

[Brian Stirling]

I hear ya brother. I've said it numerous times before, there is no reason this whole process couldn't be shortened up drastically. We live in an age of instant communication. Kick off the primary campaign after the 4th of July, sort that out in early September and have the election in early November.

In a way I'm glad I live in a state that's not in play -- I would HATE to live in Ohio or Florida given the swing nature of those states and the unending attack ads coming to a TV near you, well, just about now and continuing for 1.5 YEARS!


Brian

 

[Orignal Earl]

Do you consider yourself a high or low information voter?

Thinks of the thousands of times you've argued him into the ground, but he still thinks he's winning

 

[werepossum]

Do you consider yourself a high or low information voter?

High information - I pay a lot of attention to what politicians do outside of the campaigning season.

Of course, I'll never be a general expert on everything such as yourself, but I try.

 

[werepossum]

In a way I'm glad I live in a state that's not in play -- I would HATE to live in Ohio or Florida given the swing nature of those states and the unending attack ads coming to a TV near you, well, just about now and continuing for 1.5 YEARS!


Brian

Good point. I tend to like the long campaigning seasons as more voters are exposed (usually against their will) to what the candidates have actually done, but one good thing (of many) about living in Tennessee is that it's anything but a swing state. Ohio or Florida . . . just give up on live television until after the election.

 

[Jhhnn]

Election is still a year and a half away, this shit getting old all ready.

Hillary hate is eternal. It all started when she turned traitor to the repub cause, way back in the 60's. Had she stuck with the team, toed the line, read from the script, righties would be holding her up as America's Iron Lady.

They hate her even more because of Bill, easily the most talented politician of his generation. He stole their issues! Oh, the Humanity!

Repubs have been forced to resort to exploitation of peripheral "scandals" in the wake of their own massive policy failure. This flap is just one more in a rather long string. The will to believe remains astounding among their followers, however. It's a form of religion, and no more rational than any of them.

They waded right into the historical quagmire of Afghanistan, eyes wide shut.

They claimed that Saddam was destabilizing the ME, then left greater instability in the wake of the invasion.

Their policy towards the financial sector fostered the greatest top down looting spree in the history of the world & near economic collapse. They had to flip quickly from hands off to bailout, never admitting to the slightest culpability.

Their tax, trade & labor policies fueled explosive inequality.

Ask them what they intend to do differently in the future, they'll tell you not a damned thing, because it's all Obama's fault, anyway. And Hillary's of course.

Her pulling essentially the same email trick as the Bush White House just burns their craw. At least she learns, something they're apparently unwilling to do.

 

[MongGrel]

Hillary hate is eternal. It all started when she turned traitor to the repub cause, way back in the 60's. Had she stuck with the team, toed the line, read from the script, righties would be holding her up as America's Iron Lady.

They hate her even more because of Bill, easily the most talented politician of his generation. He stole their issues! Oh, the Humanity!

Repubs have been forced to resort to exploitation of peripheral "scandals" in the wake of their own massive policy failure. This flap is just one more in a rather long string. The will to believe remains astounding among their followers, however. It's a form of religion, and no more rational than any of them.

They waded right into the historical quagmire of Afghanistan, eyes wide shut.

They claimed that Saddam was destabilizing the ME, then left greater instability in the wake of the invasion.

Their policy towards the financial sector fostered the greatest top down looting spree in the history of the world & near economic collapse. They had to flip quickly from hands off to bailout, never admitting to the slightest culpability.

Their tax, trade & labor policies fueled explosive inequality.

Ask them what they intend to do differently in the future, they'll tell you not a damned thing, because it's all Obama's fault, anyway. And Hillary's of course.

Her pulling essentially the same email trick as the Bush White House just burns their craw. At least she learns, something they're apparently unwilling to do.

I'll just say all of the above and go on breathing I guess

Excellent post IMHO.

 

[IronWing]

Want to get rid of low information voters? Kill the primary system and go back to party caucuses. Parties get the candidates that they deserve. Party platforms will mean something again.

Also, the only reason I can see for voting for Clinton is to try to stop whatever pustule of a candidate the Reps pop out.

 

[fskimospy]

High information - I pay a lot of attention to what politicians do outside of the campaigning season.

Of course, I'll never be a general expert on everything such as yourself, but I try.

Interesting.

 

[zinfamous]

CIA head angry that he doesn't have access to a government database

--accuses official in charge of database being hacked y foreign enemies.

the yokels howl.



No, the real reason to not vote for Hillary is this: CLinton.

Same reason not to vote for Bush.

I thought we were supposed to be above ruling families in this country?

 

[werepossum]

Interesting.

Yes, I am. And while I don't always drink beer . . .

Wait, I never drink beer. That's somebody else.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Oh, I could write a wall of text about her and may before it's all said and done. But hey, when I saw the Rubio thread I decided to go for it. It's really not that bad a way to consolidate the myriad of threads we'd have otherwise and we can have one for every candidate.

If her server was indeed hacked into, just what is known and by whom? I think it raises a very valid concern.

Naturally, I'm going to be accused of being a wing-nut but that's par for the course. Very little actually changes here.

It`s nice that the truth doesn`t affect you......

 

[werepossum]

CIA head angry that he doesn't have access to a government database

--accuses official in charge of database being hacked y foreign enemies.

the yokels howl.



No, the real reason to not vote for Hillary is this: CLinton.

Same reason not to vote for Bush.

I thought we were supposed to be above ruling families in this country?

Agreed. Although there are myriad other reasons not to vote for either of them.

 

[sportage]

Nice try. But I'm voting for Hillary and I'm sure most people won't care about emails or servers or Benghazi either for that matter.
And besides, many women on both sides of politics will vote for the first woman president.
And that might as well be Hillary. Not perfect maybe, but... plenty good enough for the first.
And for men, many really believe this will be a third term for Bill.
A lot of men that liked Bill will vote for Hillary because for them, thats about as good as voting for Bill.
You know that is exactly how a lot of Clinton supporters think.
Do the math. Hillary = Bill. Bill = Bill. Bill = Hillary = Bill.
I really don't understand it, but older folks especially just LOVE Bill Clinton.
For them, Bill is the political version of Elvis.
So sure, they will easily vote for Hillary Clinton <wink wink>.

And while Hillary breezes into the whitehouse, Jeb can spend his time re-answering the Iraq war question. What is it, 5 deferent versions now? Sounds like old Jeb might himself need a server to manage his many Iraq war explanations.

 

[pcgeek11]

Jeb should have answered like Hillary does:

At this point in time what difference does it make ...

 

[glenn1]

So far we've had nothing but innuendo and unsubstantiated claims of corruption, and supposed obstruction, etc and not a single comment on the policies she supports.


You get the government you deserve.

Probably because she seems more committed to becoming POTUS than any set of core beliefs, so it's hard to tell what policies she would pursue. If I had to guess she'd fit pretty neatly into the 1970s era Rockerfeller Republicans with an ocassional genuflection towards some of the crazier radical left ideas. However if the original Hillarycare and how she handled the Bengazi sitation are any indication, she is both paranoid and has a tin ear politically which will make it hard if not impossible for her to execute on any big ideas. In a job where the ability to persuade and inspire is your main asset I find it rather hard to imagine she'll have a huge amount of success since her personality seems almost the opposite of those and 'work hard technocrats' don't seem to do well in the Oval Office.

 

[waggy]

Probably because she seems more committed to becoming POTUS than any set of core beliefs, so it's hard to tell what policies she would pursue. If I had to guess she'd fit pretty neatly into the 1970s era Rockerfeller Republicans with an ocassional genuflection towards some of the crazier radical left ideas. However if the original Hillarycare and how she handled the Bengazi sitation are any indication, she is both paranoid and has a tin ear politically which will make it hard if not impossible for her to execute on any big ideas. In a job where the ability to persuade and inspire is your main asset I find it rather hard to imagine she'll have a huge amount of success since her personality seems almost the opposite of those and 'work hard technocrats' don't seem to do well in the Oval Office.

i agree with this.


Though i will say i have hope that if Hillary wins her main advisor is her husband. IF not for the little impeachment he would go down as one of the best Presidents in recent history. defiantly top 43 for sure!

 

[dank69]

Probably because she seems more committed to becoming POTUS than any set of core beliefs, so it's hard to tell what policies she would pursue. If I had to guess she'd fit pretty neatly into the 1970s era Rockerfeller Republicans with an ocassional genuflection towards some of the crazier radical left ideas. However if the original Hillarycare and how she handled the Bengazi sitation are any indication, she is both paranoid and has a tin ear politically which will make it hard if not impossible for her to execute on any big ideas. In a job where the ability to persuade and inspire is your main asset I find it rather hard to imagine she'll have a huge amount of success since her personality seems almost the opposite of those and 'work hard technocrats' don't seem to do well in the Oval Office.

Thread complete.

 

[Genx87]

i agree with this.


Though i will say i have hope that if Hillary wins her main advisor is her husband. IF not for the little impeachment he would go down as one of the best Presidents in recent history. defiantly top 43 for sure!

Bill is easily the best President within my lifetime. Imagine if we didn't have term limits how our response to 9-11 may have been a positive one instead of an unmitigated disaster.

 

[Jhhnn]

Probably because she seems more committed to becoming POTUS than any set of core beliefs, so it's hard to tell what policies she would pursue. If I had to guess she'd fit pretty neatly into the 1970s era Rockerfeller Republicans with an ocassional genuflection towards some of the crazier radical left ideas. However if the original Hillarycare and how she handled the Bengazi sitation are any indication, she is both paranoid and has a tin ear politically which will make it hard if not impossible for her to execute on any big ideas. In a job where the ability to persuade and inspire is your main asset I find it rather hard to imagine she'll have a huge amount of success since her personality seems almost the opposite of those and 'work hard technocrats' don't seem to do well in the Oval Office.

It's quite remarkable how conservatives hold to core beliefs even after implementation of them leads to less than desirable results.

When 35 years of trickle down Reaganomics & deregulation of the financial sector holds millions in poverty while providing near boundless wealth to the financial elite, they want to cut taxes at the top & do away with the estate tax.

When offshoring & automation greatly reduce employment opportunity, they want to kill the welfare state yet offer no constructive alternative to provide for the general welfare.

When the WoD & harsh sentencing lead to the largest prison population in the world, their answer is to privatize prisons to cut annual costs per inmate.

When elective wars of adventure create quagmire & instability in Afghanistan, Iraq, & beyond, their answer is to initiate armed conflict with Iran.

When the economy locks up & falls down from lack of liquidity to service existing debt, their answer is to cut spending, lay off more people, increase the scarcity of money among the general population.

None of them ever say "That didn't work very well. What can we do differently to change the outcome?"

Holding to core beliefs that don't provide constructive results isn't rational. It's religion.

OH, yeh- and Benghazi- of course.

 

[glenn1]

It's quite remarkable how conservatives hold to core beliefs even after implementation of them leads to less than desirable results.

When 35 years of trickle down Reaganomics & deregulation of the financial sector holds millions in poverty while providing near boundless wealth to the financial elite, they want to cut taxes at the top & do away with the estate tax.

When offshoring & automation greatly reduce employment opportunity, they want to kill the welfare state yet offer no constructive alternative to provide for the general welfare.

When the WoD & harsh sentencing lead to the largest prison population in the world, their answer is to privatize prisons to cut annual costs per inmate.

When elective wars of adventure create quagmire & instability in Afghanistan, Iraq, & beyond, their answer is to initiate armed conflict with Iran.

When the economy locks up & falls down from lack of liquidity to service existing debt, their answer is to cut spending, lay off more people, increase the scarcity of money among the general population.

None of them ever say "That didn't work very well. What can we do differently to change the outcome?"

Holding to core beliefs that don't provide constructive results isn't rational. It's religion.

OH, yeh- and Benghazi- of course.

And another completely random word spew from the usual suspect. Good job posting something so completely unrelated to the topic except for the throwaway Bengazi reference at the end.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Black mail her, with what?

Her financial relationship with a Nigerian prince? Placing an order for penis enlargement drugs? Setting up Ashley Madison swinger events?

Get off it and come back with something more substantial please.