Why Newbies shouldnt be given high powered vehicles.... a sad story.

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My brothers friend bought a used but highly modified Suzuki GSX-R750 recenlty (less than 3 weeks old). It has 25K mileage on it. Well his brother rode it from time to time. I dont know if his brother had prior experience (or atleast a decent amount of experience) but the fact is that maybe a factor in this incident.

Well on wednesday night he had a horrid accident. Until today he was in the hospital with an injured back. My brother just got to know about it this morning and he told me when I woke up. My brother just left to see teh guy but he is coming out of the hospital today. It seems they got to go to a funeral too. I have a feeling this guy had his friend on the back and couldnt take two people and crashed. I am yet to get the details but its a sad sad day. I dont know who the friend is but I can guess though.... its sad i tell you.

I wish I could go to the hospital but i got to go to katrin's wedding shower party thinge (well she is inviting men there for lunch/snacks) and then we take off and the women have fun..

Its sad I tell you..

more details when I get it.
 
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Originally posted by: apoppin
It is very sad and all too common.

Worse yet neither brother had protective clothing. I never saw them wear protective clothing when they came over. I normally wear atleast a full sleeve tshirt and jeans. That if I am going for a short ride. If I am wearing a tshirt I wear my jacket. I am all about protection.. turns out he broke some bones too.. :(

I just hope armen gets better soon. Motorcycle accidents can be nasty, I had one but because i had experience I walked away without a scratch.. but others wouldnt have been so lucky.
 

brtspears2

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slowly work up to high powered bikes...

start at 21-speed mt. bike, 50cc bike....and so on. Lots of fun if you ride carefully.
 

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All the more reason that I'm gonna get a slower bike (when I do finally get one, that is). I'm very aware of how dangerous these things can be, especially with little experience...
 

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That GSX-R750 is a VERY powerful machine, my 83' gr-650 couldnt hold anything against it and it is just 100cc smaller. why anyone would want it to go faster is beyond me but giving such a bike to a inexpecenced rider with no saftey gear is a bad accident waiting to happen. Around my area mototcycles have a bad rep cause this one kid was killed on one. He just turned 16 and his rich ass parents decided to but his a ninja zx11 for his FIRST motorcycle. So the dumb kid was downtown showing off to his friends and his helmet was on but not done up. Well I am guessing hit opened the throddle too much and the bike too off and threw him off as well. He bounced off of a few cars and died instantly. The docotrs said there was nothing left of his brain except much. Mind you I have only been riding for 2 months but I have taken 2 saftey riding course, the basic one and one that concentrates on high speed collision avodiance. These cources have saved my life more than once cause of the stupid people driving on the roads. apoppin fatialties in a motorcycle are less common now when when wearing proper saftey equpinment, not a jean jacket, pants and a 1/2 helemt (those half helemts dont do a thing) but fill leathers/kevlar/ballistic nylon full faced helmet and nice gloves you can except to walk away if not the with broken bones.
 

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i'm nothing but careful when i ride, but i went to Chicago not too long ago (week or two ago) and there is no law on helmets there. Despite common sense and death statistics, people choose not to ride with a helmet on. It'd be different if the majority of riders down there drove smart and the speed limit, but whatever the major road is alongside the huge beach is, they rip on the throttle and they're blasting lanes at over 80 mph. That's not even cool.

-=bmacd=-
 

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I wanted a bike. But after my finacee has come home from work(she's works at a hospital) and she tells me that they've had their 8th motorcycle rider death in 10 days, I'm quickly loosing the itch.
 

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Originally posted by: bmacd
i'm nothing but careful when i ride, but i went to Chicago not too long ago (week or two ago) and there is no law on helmets there. Despite common sense and death statistics, people choose not to ride with a helmet on. It'd be different if the majority of riders down there drove smart and the speed limit, but whatever the major road is alongside the huge beach is, they rip on the throttle and they're blasting lanes at over 80 mph. That's not even cool.

-=bmacd=-
OMG there are alot of stupid people over there? Even if there is no law riding without a helmet is stupid. Even a 1/2 helmet is better than nothing.
 

Ornery

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Hmmm, what is it bikers say when these things happen... it won't happen to me? It's my life, I'll do what I want? Whatever. I've personally know three people killed on a bike. Our riding season is really short and I don't even know that many riders! Obviously the odds of getting hurt or killed on a bike are insane, yet that doesn't stop anybody. Oh well, hope your insurance is paid up!
 
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UPDATE

I talked to Garen and got a bit more info. Apart from broken rips, a broken back, a broken femur and a friend that he has lost, he also nearly totalled the bike. Well the insurance guy is yet to check it out, but someone said it can be salvaged.

I am yet to find out what the details on how and where it happened. It happened on wednesday night. They had the funeral for the armen's friend this afternoon. Its sad I tell you.

They were afraid armen may not be able to walk but he can now feel something on his leg. Which is good but its still a lot of theraphy before he can be up and running.

And oh yeah neither was wearing protective clothing - typical squid, t-shirt, shorts, sneakers and a helmet.

Its sad I tell you.

I was going to go for a ride today but I figured I should lay off considering i know armen and possibly know which friend of his this might be.

Garen had some sort of motorcycle experience, he rode a 250cc honda rebel for a while before selling it. But that was over a year back. Armen I dont know if he ever got any riding experience other than the MSF course if he took it.
 

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Worse yet neither brother had protective clothing. I never saw them wear protective clothing when they came over. I normally wear atleast a full sleeve tshirt and jeans. That if I am going for a short ride. If I am wearing a tshirt I wear my jacket. I am all about protection.. turns out he broke some bones too.. :(

GoodGuy, I'm sorry to hear about your friends. I did want to make one small comment about your post (for others, I know you know better), it's good that you wear protective clothing, but please don't suggest that a full sleeve shirt offers any protection if you go down. The shirt will wear thru or rip instantly. Even jeans aren't that tough against asphalt (although I admit when I'm going for quick rides and don't want to wear the full leathers, I've ridden with just a riding jacket/jeans/boots).

Best wishes for your friend,
Bill


 
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you make a very good point bsobel..

True wearing a full sleeve t-shirt wont do you much when you end up in a crash and nor will jeans. But the main idea of wearing afull sleeve shirt is to keep you warm. Its been seen by studies that if your not warm your brain doesnt think and you end up loosing it. In this case layers help on and off the tarmac.

I wear jeans sometimes, but most times I wear jeans under my riding pants. That way I can take those pants off when needed.

But any sort of protective gear helps. A full sleeve will keep you warm on the streets on a warm day (at 40mph it feels about 30 degrees cooler) and a full sleeve will keep teh wind of you to keep you warm. But it wont save you if your cold.

You really made a very imporatant point.. something I wouldnt go against..

tgg
 

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Back in high school, a friend's sister was given a convertible 5 speed 5 litre mustang for her 16th birthday. she didn't even know how to drive standard. Well she was at a stop sign turning left (in front of her school showing off) around lunch time. As she started, the car started to rock (not enough gas) instead of clutching, she gassed it up and popped the clutch.

The car took off. She left the road, hit a lip and was lucky to land in an enbankment. She totalled the car and was lucky not to have hit anybody or injured herself too badly. Parents need to be reasonable about what they give their children and when.

My prayers and thoughts are with the family. :(
 

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Unfortunate indeed but I see it as sort of mental Darwinism especially if he took the bike out without the requisite experience.
At the same time my wife will not let me buy a street bike since she too works in a hostpital but I am allowed to buy a vintage muscle car.
 

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Since I do not know the details of the accident, I will withold judgment on their intelligence or lack of it. Irrevelent really. I hope things work out as best they may. The old saying is that there are two kinds of riders, those who have fallen, and those who are going too. Reducing your risk is the best thing you can do. If gramps decides to pull out in his old Impala and does not see you, well you just might not be able to avoid him, but the kind of accidents I hear about are those caused by inexperience or stupidity. This is not a put down for the four wheeler guys, but it is true that you have no concept of what fast is if you have not ridden a high performance bike unless you have driven F1, Indy or top level Nascar. Ride with the proper gear, be aware of what is around you. Do not ride a machine beyond your skill level. Dont try stupid stunts like standing on your bike (yeah I know of someone around here who tried that at 100+... didnt make it home- ever). My best advice to those who ride is to watch every vehicle around you and try to leave yourself a way out if that Impala comes bearing down on you.
 

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things like this are really sad. i have been rideing motorcycles since i was 9 and got my first 50CC bike. Im not 28 so i have a good amount of experiance.

I have had many "crotch rockets" and other street bikes. the largest i have had was a kz 1000 but i sold that (rarely rode it) and got myself a Honda CBR F2 and now i have a Honda CBR F4 and thats more then enough for me.

i hate seeing kids get these big bikes when they cant even handle a little 250cc one. they then get hurt and people say "see i told you those are deadly!".

If you want a bike take some rideing classes. you will be suprised how much you learn
 

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I always ride as if I am invisable. Assume that no one sees you.
 

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Originally posted by: Ornery
Hmmm, what is it bikers say when these things happen... it won't happen to me? It's my life, I'll do what I want? Whatever. I've personally know three people killed on a bike. Our riding season is really short and I don't even know that many riders! Obviously the odds of getting hurt or killed on a bike are insane, yet that doesn't stop anybody. Oh well, hope your insurance is paid up!


Driving is dangerous too but people choose to do that too (and will until driving is automated by computers). As long as they only wipe themselves out, then more power to them.
 

olds

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Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: Ornery
Hmmm, what is it bikers say when these things happen... it won't happen to me? It's my life, I'll do what I want? Whatever. I've personally know three people killed on a bike. Our riding season is really short and I don't even know that many riders! Obviously the odds of getting hurt or killed on a bike are insane, yet that doesn't stop anybody. Oh well, hope your insurance is paid up!


Driving is dangerous too but people choose to do that too (and will until driving is automated by computers). As long as they only wipe themselves out, then more power to them.
Hmmm... What if MS writes that software?

 

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The_good_guy, I hope your brother's friend gets well soon.



I own a Honda F4i 600cc bike and it's more than enough bike for me. Anyone who goes 1litre without much experience is nuts.


I find it interesting that motorcycle dealerships don't require any form of proof you know how to ride a motorcycle. Car dealerships require you to have a driver's license and proof of insurance before you can purchase the car. Motorcycle dealerships on the other hand just wants to sell a bike to whatever poor shmuck that has money. I think they should require you to have a "M" endorsement or atleast taken a MSF course.


Also I have to attribute alot of the accidents to motorcycle manufacturers. One of the reason's inexperienced kids buy motorcycles is to look cool. They don't know what the bike can do and they don't care. They just want to look cool riding it. However if you notice basically everything below 600cc looks not very sporty...hence not very cool. So usually 600cc bikes are the most popular as they look cool and are the smallest displacement. If manufacturers would make "better looking" smaller displacement bikes I'm sure alot more lives would be spared.




-Jimbo