Why McCain Provokes Paranoia On The Right

[Pabster]

Story here.

Doesn't that tell you all you need to know about McCain? The guy's "think tank" took cash from Soros, amongst others. And this is the "real" Conservative? :roll:

Of all the disagreements I have with McCain, the whole illegal immigration thing really burns me. The fact that he tried to ram Amnesty down the American Public's throat (along with GWB, I might add) sits at the top on my list of grievances.

 

[Lemon law]

FRIGHTENING liberals who simply want better more rational government.

Where are Pabster's FRIGTHENING CONSERATIVES who have had had an eight year run
and have really screwed up government?

Can anyone remember that just seven years ago, America had a balanced budget, was at peace, and was respected in the world for its human rights record. But the conservatives fixed that. If McCain is not a conservative, thats an endorsement in itself.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
FRIGHTENING liberals who simply want better more rational government.

Whut you talkin bout willis? last I checked liberals want to tax the middle class to death with their bloated social services....just look at MA, their utopia..here we in the middle class get beaten down pretty hard for nothing.

 

[Lemon law]

I see bozack is really sipping conservative image over substandce koolaid when he says--Whut you talkin bout willis? last I checked liberals want to tax the middle class to death with their bloated social services....just look at MA, their utopia..here we in the middle class get beaten down pretty hard for nothing.

Fact, the greatest expansions of Federal government social programs have been under Reagan and GWB. Instead of taxing everyone to death, the tax cuts go to mainly the rich
and the rest is put on the national debt which has expanded 3.2 trillion under GWB. And look at the stats, under the Frightening conservative, the middle class is getting steadily poorer.

Maybe you better revise the last time you looked crapola. You are at least 30 years out of date.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I see bozack is really sipping conservative image over substandce koolaid when he says--Whut you talkin bout willis? last I checked liberals want to tax the middle class to death with their bloated social services....just look at MA, their utopia..here we in the middle class get beaten down pretty hard for nothing.

Fact, the greatest expansions of Federal government social programs have been under Reagan and GWB. Instead of taxing everyone to death, the tax cuts go to mainly the rich
and the rest is put on the national debt which has expanded 3.2 trillion under GWB. And look at the stats, under the Frightening conservative, the middle class is getting steadily poorer.

Maybe you better revise the last time you looked crapola. You are at least 30 years out of date.

But isn't a conservative somebody who is always at least 30 years out of date?

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I see bozack is really sipping conservative image over substandce koolaid when he says--Whut you talkin bout willis? last I checked liberals want to tax the middle class to death with their bloated social services....just look at MA, their utopia..here we in the middle class get beaten down pretty hard for nothing.

Fact, the greatest expansions of Federal government social programs have been under Reagan and GWB. Instead of taxing everyone to death, the tax cuts go to mainly the rich
and the rest is put on the national debt which has expanded 3.2 trillion under GWB. And look at the stats, under the Frightening conservative, the middle class is getting steadily poorer.

Maybe you better revise the last time you looked crapola. You are at least 30 years out of date.

But isn't a conservative somebody who is always at least 30 years out of date?

hence the reason why the topic of conversation on the GOP side seems to be mostly about who is more like the president of 25 years ago

 

[FoBoT]

McCain will not abandon amnesty

he will only talk about securing the border during the campaign
he won't pledge not to go for amnesty, because he doesn't want to be a bald faced liar when he signs amnesty for the 15 million illegals

 

[Pabster]

Let's hope McAmnesty doesn't get that opportunity, FoBoT.

 

[rpanic]

He is a old turd I hope the D maggots finish him off soon.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I see bozack is really sipping conservative image over substandce koolaid when he says--Whut you talkin bout willis? last I checked liberals want to tax the middle class to death with their bloated social services....just look at MA, their utopia..here we in the middle class get beaten down pretty hard for nothing.

Fact, the greatest expansions of Federal government social programs have been under Reagan and GWB. Instead of taxing everyone to death, the tax cuts go to mainly the rich
and the rest is put on the national debt which has expanded 3.2 trillion under GWB. And look at the stats, under the Frightening conservative, the middle class is getting steadily poorer.

Maybe you better revise the last time you looked crapola. You are at least 30 years out of date.

You're talking federal level wheras I specifically targeted the state. I don't think there has been enough Dem control in recent years to use as a true example, as while Klinton was in office for 8 years that pales in comparison to Regan, Bush 1, and now two terms of Bush 2....however if you look at what they want to do = more of a burden on the middle class...heck even Klinton managed to squeeze a bit more which was relaxed by Bush 2...

I fully agree that regardless of which party gets elected the middle class gets screwed, but the issue is to what degree...while repubs tend to favor the rich with their tax cuts, the fact is that everyone gets a "piece" usually, whereas the dems want to socialize everything.... my biggest gripe is with socialized healthcare as this will be a killer.

Look at MA for the example...not a year in and already massively over budget and will cost the taxpayers, especially those in the middle class millions, and I have yet to meet one person who makes a marginal salary that is happy with being forced to pay for a horrible health care plan, on average the coverage is horrible and the cost still isn't as affordable as they made it seem like it would be.

 

[Farang]

Those of you blasting McCain for amnesty.. is it your position that we should set out to find and deport all illegal aliens?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Farang
Those of you blasting McCain for amnesty.. is it your position that we should set out to find and deport all illegal aliens?

Can't speak for anyone else, but it certainly is my position. Obviously we've got to prioritize, criminals first. But an illegal is an illegal.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Farang
Those of you blasting McCain for amnesty.. is it your position that we should set out to find and deport all illegal aliens?

Set out and find, no, however whenever one is "found" they should be sent packing...and also they should never be given amnesty and instead always be labeled illegal.

 

[rpanic]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Farang
Those of you blasting McCain for amnesty.. is it your position that we should set out to find and deport all illegal aliens?

Can't speak for anyone else, but it certainly is my position. Obviously we've got to prioritize, criminals first. But an illegal is an illegal.

We tried amnesty before and it made things worse, why try a known failed tactic again. Amnesty just creates future amnesties.

 

[Rainsford]

I can certainly respect folks who disagree with McCain on illegal immigration and border control, but let's be honest...the problem isn't that McCain abandoned the right, the problem is that the right abandoned the conservative ground on the topic. McCain and GWB are among the few Republicans who really ARE acting like conservatives when it comes to immigration, the rest of the party is acting incredibly isolationist, protectionist and vaguely xenophobic.

There are liberal reasons and conservative reasons to support more open borders, but the idea that McCain isn't being conservative here is silly...it's the conservatives who aren't being conservative. If you don't like the liberal or the conservative stances here, that's fine, but McCain is provoking paranoia on the right because he IS acting like a real conservative.

 

[CrazyHelloDeli]

Originally posted by: Farang
Those of you blasting McCain for amnesty.. is it your position that we should set out to find and deport all illegal aliens?

Don't need to deport them. Crack down on the illegal employment of them and they will deport themselves.

 

[Jmman]

Originally posted by: rpanic

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Farang
Those of you blasting McCain for amnesty.. is it your position that we should set out to find and deport all illegal aliens?

Can't speak for anyone else, but it certainly is my position. Obviously we've got to prioritize, criminals first. But an illegal is an illegal.

We tried amnesty before and it made things worse, why try a known failed tactic again. Amnesty just creates future amnesties.

The problem is that there is no way we can deport 20 million illegal aliens no matter what we want to do. Securing our borders and then having a method to incorporate the aliens here is the only plausible solution.........

What other realistic solution is there?

 

[rpanic]

Originally posted by: Jmman

Originally posted by: rpanic

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Farang
Those of you blasting McCain for amnesty.. is it your position that we should set out to find and deport all illegal aliens?

Can't speak for anyone else, but it certainly is my position. Obviously we've got to prioritize, criminals first. But an illegal is an illegal.

We tried amnesty before and it made things worse, why try a known failed tactic again. Amnesty just creates future amnesties.

The problem is that there is no way we can deport 20 million illegal aliens no matter what we want to do. Securing our borders and then having a method to incorporate the aliens here is the only plausible solution.........

What other realistic solution is there?

Take away every reason they are here and they will leave. Amnesty doesn?t solve anything.

 

[Lemon law]

The illegal alien thing has been discussed to death. But most of us are just fooling ourselves. Right now, there are roughly 12 million illegal aliens running around and more coming every day. And only a tiny fraction engage in criminal acts. The logistical problem of finding and removing those 12 million is huge, it should be addressed by homeland security, and its not.

For the same damn reason why illegal aliens come in the first place. Jobs Jobs Jobs. Our big corporations want to hire them because they work cheap and cheaper, many farmers can't make it without them for picking seasonal crops, and if we did the right things to address the problem, namely see they could not get jobs once they sneak in, we would not have a problem in the first place.

So we pretend to want an amnesty bill, the amnesty bill gets soundly defeated, and honor satisfied, we do nothing as more and more illegal immigrants come to get ready employment.

More image over substance. Blame others for problems of our making. Ignore the only logical solutions. Ignore the fact that the conservatives choice, GWB, pushed the bill, and blame McCain. Ignore the fact that Mexiphobe, Tancredo got whipped in the GOP primaries, rinse and repeat. And soon we will have 24 million illegals and conservatives can bash them illegals even more. But when it comes down to offering realistic solutions, conservatives are too busy making the big bucks hiring illegal immigrants to bother with things like reality.

 

[Jmman]

What I don't get is how our economy will thrive and continue to grow without these 15 million employees when we are effectively at full employment now? Either we all need to start having more babies or we need a source for employees........


And don't even start to run the numbers with our aging society and all of the baby boomers hitting Social Security......

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

I don't think he provokes paranoia on the right. Conservatives just don't like him.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I don't think he provokes paranoia on the right. Conservatives just don't like him.

Because he's not conservative in any way. I live in AZ so keep up with local doings and I can tell you he's a POS. I think the sun has baked the brains of those who re-elect him.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Because he's not conservative in any way. I live in AZ so keep up with local doings and I can tell you he's a POS. I think the sun has baked the brains of those who re-elect him.

IIRC, Conservatives made up around 70% of the voters in AZ. Only 30% voted for McCain.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Because he's not conservative in any way. I live in AZ so keep up with local doings and I can tell you he's a POS. I think the sun has baked the brains of those who re-elect him.

IIRC, Conservatives made up around 70% of the voters in AZ. Only 30% voted for McCain.

Youre right. We are very conservative here. It would make the south blush. We love our guns (open carry), love our government out of our lives (we have 4 nude beaches, very lax prostitution laws), but you break the law and youre fucked. We have the toughest DUI laws in the country. Concealing a weapon without a permit? Youre fucked. Drug sentences are on the high side of the US avarage. Anyway. Didnt want to veer off on this.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I see bozack is really sipping conservative image over substandce koolaid when he says--Whut you talkin bout willis? last I checked liberals want to tax the middle class to death with their bloated social services....just look at MA, their utopia..here we in the middle class get beaten down pretty hard for nothing.

Fact, the greatest expansions of Federal government social programs have been under Reagan and GWB. Instead of taxing everyone to death, the tax cuts go to mainly the rich
and the rest is put on the national debt which has expanded 3.2 trillion under GWB. And look at the stats, under the Frightening conservative, the middle class is getting steadily poorer.

Maybe you better revise the last time you looked crapola. You are at least 30 years out of date.

Say it with me "GEORGE BUSH IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!"

Dems want Socialized Medicine?
My kids have socialized medicine and they are treated over the phone because most doctors will not treat them or just don't want to bother. Possibly the worst idea in the history of mankind. Shoot I know Canadians that come here for treatment becuase socialized medicine there is a automatic death sentence for many cancer patients and others with aggresive infections. Where do you think that money will come from to pay for all this not to mention paying for all the illegals primary health care?