Why liberal democrats should vote for Ron Paul

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Because you don't have an Anti-war candidate that sounds like this!

Please take note that this is no pandering. This guy was warning us about an Iraq war years before it started. If Thomas Jefferson were alive he'd be dancing to this tune.

If that caught your attention i would like to invite you to get to know the real Ron Paul. This is the man at face value who will work to give you more freedoms than any democrat probably in your lifetime ever did.
What Ron Paul is really about.

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow...

I guess this explains why Republicans won't vote for him. :p

Hey now....I happen to be a flaming fundamentalist republican.:D Seriously. :)
 
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Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow...

I guess this explains why Republicans won't vote for him. :p

Hey now....I happen to be a flaming fundamentalist republican.:D Seriously. :)

Y'know what... I'm actually WAY to the right of the Rs... A side effect of having been raised in Alaska. Lately I seem to find myself drifting farther and farther away from the party... not because I'm changing but because the Rs are drifting more to the left every day. Anymore I only vote R because the alternative is D. So I hold my nose and hit the button.

That said, Ron Paul is a fucking nut. He has a few interesting positions that I agree with but overall he's a lunatic. Abolishing the CIA... allowing people to carry guns on planes (or at least suggesting that if guns weren't banned on planes that 9/11 wouldn't have happened) and any number of other whacked out statements he's made on the record... He's a nut. His biggest backers are the pot legalization lobby. That's not a good thing.

He's an interesting internet phenomenon but that's where it ends. I'm sure that other candidates (and the two major parties) are watching his campaign with interest in preperation for the '12 elections to see how to manipulate polls, spam message boards and otherwise artificially 'puff up' a candidate... and in that respect he is certainly breaking new ground. But other than that, he's a foot note in history.
 

HeXploiT

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow...

I guess this explains why Republicans won't vote for him. :p

Hey now....I happen to be a flaming fundamentalist republican.:D Seriously. :)

Y'know what... I'm actually WAY to the right of the Rs... A side effect of having been raised in Alaska. Lately I seem to find myself drifting farther and farther away from the party... not because I'm changing but because the Rs are drifting more to the left every day. Anymore I only vote R because the alternative is D. So I hold my nose and hit the button.

That said, Ron Paul is a fucking nut. He has a few interesting positions that I agree with but overall he's a lunatic. Abolishing the CIA... allowing people to carry guns on planes (or at least suggesting that if guns weren't banned on planes that 9/11 wouldn't have happened) and any number of other whacked out statements he's made on the record... He's a nut. His biggest backers are the pot legalization lobby. That's not a good thing.

He's an interesting internet phenomenon but that's where it ends. I'm sure that other candidates (and the two major parties) are watching his campaign with interest in preperation for the '12 elections to see how to manipulate polls, spam message boards and otherwise artificially 'puff up' a candidate... and in that respect he is certainly breaking new ground. But other than that, he's a foot note in history.

Where did you live in Alaska? I live in Southeast.
I might suggest you slow down and look at things from another perspective. First off you do realize there are over a hundred intelligence agencies in the U.S. government do you not? Ron Paul singles out the CIA solely because of it's persistent abuse of power over the decades. Intelligence will not stop with the end of the cia.
On the Guns note; Paul isn't talking about arming citizens he's talking about letting the airlines protect themselves. many companies have armed security all across the U.S. Why shouldn't an airline? Israeli airlines for decades has had two guards armed with rifles on every flight. Guess what? Buses in Israel are constantly hijacked yet Israeli airlines has never once been. Neither do they depend on the government for their security.

Also Paul is very anti drug. Hell I am very anti-drug. I still believe that his America will be a hellovu lot better than the current system. Yes the pot smokers are behind him so what.
 

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I'm pretty sure Dems don't just care about those who are anti-war. They have to be pro-gov't expansion and liberal on quite a lot of other issues too. Though, honestly, the Dems are better aligned with Paul constitutionally than neocons are.

Btw, as I said in the other thread, Paul still doesn't have a shot at the nomination. ;)
 
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Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow...

I guess this explains why Republicans won't vote for him. :p

Hey now....I happen to be a flaming fundamentalist republican.:D Seriously. :)

Y'know what... I'm actually WAY to the right of the Rs... A side effect of having been raised in Alaska. Lately I seem to find myself drifting farther and farther away from the party... not because I'm changing but because the Rs are drifting more to the left every day. Anymore I only vote R because the alternative is D. So I hold my nose and hit the button.

That said, Ron Paul is a fucking nut. He has a few interesting positions that I agree with but overall he's a lunatic. Abolishing the CIA... allowing people to carry guns on planes (or at least suggesting that if guns weren't banned on planes that 9/11 wouldn't have happened) and any number of other whacked out statements he's made on the record... He's a nut. His biggest backers are the pot legalization lobby. That's not a good thing.

He's an interesting internet phenomenon but that's where it ends. I'm sure that other candidates (and the two major parties) are watching his campaign with interest in preperation for the '12 elections to see how to manipulate polls, spam message boards and otherwise artificially 'puff up' a candidate... and in that respect he is certainly breaking new ground. But other than that, he's a foot note in history.

Where did you live in Alaska? I live in Southeast.
I might suggest you slow down and look at things from another perspective. First off you do realize there are over a hundred intelligence agencies in the U.S. government do you not? Ron Paul singles out the CIA solely because of it's persistent abuse of power over the decades. Intelligence will not stop with the end of the cia.
On the Guns note; Paul isn't talking about arming citizens he's talking about letting the airlines protect themselves. many companies have armed security all across the U.S. Why shouldn't an airline? Israeli airlines for decades has had two guards armed with rifles on every flight. Guess what? Buses in Israel are constantly hijacked yet Israeli airlines has never once been. Neither do they depend on the government for their security.

Also Paul is very anti drug. Hell I am very anti-drug. I still believe that his America will be a hellovu lot better than the current system. Yes the pot smokers are behind him so what.

I had 27 years in Fairbanks and 6 in Anchorage. And there is nothing you can say to convince me that Ron Paul is NOT a fucking nut. His spam campaign (of which you are a part) will be noted and later perfected by the major parties. Other than that, his place in history will be that of a candidate who managed to raise significant money despite not being able to show a blip on the polls. Once his campaign is dissected and analyzed, the major party candidates (presidential and congressional) will use this info to press their agendas.

In some respects, RP is contributing to the further ruination of american politics.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow...

I guess this explains why Republicans won't vote for him. :p

Hey now....I happen to be a flaming fundamentalist republican.:D Seriously. :)

Y'know what... I'm actually WAY to the right of the Rs... A side effect of having been raised in Alaska. Lately I seem to find myself drifting farther and farther away from the party... not because I'm changing but because the Rs are drifting more to the left every day. Anymore I only vote R because the alternative is D. So I hold my nose and hit the button.

That said, Ron Paul is a fucking nut. He has a few interesting positions that I agree with but overall he's a lunatic. Abolishing the CIA... allowing people to carry guns on planes (or at least suggesting that if guns weren't banned on planes that 9/11 wouldn't have happened) and any number of other whacked out statements he's made on the record... He's a nut. His biggest backers are the pot legalization lobby. That's not a good thing.

He's an interesting internet phenomenon but that's where it ends. I'm sure that other candidates (and the two major parties) are watching his campaign with interest in preperation for the '12 elections to see how to manipulate polls, spam message boards and otherwise artificially 'puff up' a candidate... and in that respect he is certainly breaking new ground. But other than that, he's a foot note in history.

Where did you live in Alaska? I live in Southeast.
I might suggest you slow down and look at things from another perspective. First off you do realize there are over a hundred intelligence agencies in the U.S. government do you not? Ron Paul singles out the CIA solely because of it's persistent abuse of power over the decades. Intelligence will not stop with the end of the cia.
On the Guns note; Paul isn't talking about arming citizens he's talking about letting the airlines protect themselves. many companies have armed security all across the U.S. Why shouldn't an airline? Israeli airlines for decades has had two guards armed with rifles on every flight. Guess what? Buses in Israel are constantly hijacked yet Israeli airlines has never once been. Neither do they depend on the government for their security.

Also Paul is very anti drug. Hell I am very anti-drug. I still believe that his America will be a hellovu lot better than the current system. Yes the pot smokers are behind him so what.

I had 27 years in Fairbanks and 6 in Anchorage. And there is nothing you can say to convince me that Ron Paul is NOT a fucking nut. His spam campaign (of which you are a part) will be noted and later perfected by the major parties. Other than that, his place in history will be that of a candidate who managed to raise significant money despite not being able to show a blip on the polls. Once his campaign is dissected and analyzed, the major party candidates (presidential and congressional) will use this info to press their agendas.

In some respects, RP is contributing to the further ruination of american politics.

This is pretty much all absurd. What Paul is doing is building a young base of constituents, via the Internet and alternative media (i.e. non-national media). He's not polling well at all, sure, but that hardly makes him a nut, and Perry404 did a fine job addressing your misconceptions. How drawing support from a young base is further ruining American politics, I can't really begin to understand. What would you rather have, leading-edge grassroots campaigning or swiftboat smear ads?
 
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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow...

I guess this explains why Republicans won't vote for him. :p

Hey now....I happen to be a flaming fundamentalist republican.:D Seriously. :)

Y'know what... I'm actually WAY to the right of the Rs... A side effect of having been raised in Alaska. Lately I seem to find myself drifting farther and farther away from the party... not because I'm changing but because the Rs are drifting more to the left every day. Anymore I only vote R because the alternative is D. So I hold my nose and hit the button.

That said, Ron Paul is a fucking nut. He has a few interesting positions that I agree with but overall he's a lunatic. Abolishing the CIA... allowing people to carry guns on planes (or at least suggesting that if guns weren't banned on planes that 9/11 wouldn't have happened) and any number of other whacked out statements he's made on the record... He's a nut. His biggest backers are the pot legalization lobby. That's not a good thing.

He's an interesting internet phenomenon but that's where it ends. I'm sure that other candidates (and the two major parties) are watching his campaign with interest in preperation for the '12 elections to see how to manipulate polls, spam message boards and otherwise artificially 'puff up' a candidate... and in that respect he is certainly breaking new ground. But other than that, he's a foot note in history.

Where did you live in Alaska? I live in Southeast.
I might suggest you slow down and look at things from another perspective. First off you do realize there are over a hundred intelligence agencies in the U.S. government do you not? Ron Paul singles out the CIA solely because of it's persistent abuse of power over the decades. Intelligence will not stop with the end of the cia.
On the Guns note; Paul isn't talking about arming citizens he's talking about letting the airlines protect themselves. many companies have armed security all across the U.S. Why shouldn't an airline? Israeli airlines for decades has had two guards armed with rifles on every flight. Guess what? Buses in Israel are constantly hijacked yet Israeli airlines has never once been. Neither do they depend on the government for their security.

Also Paul is very anti drug. Hell I am very anti-drug. I still believe that his America will be a hellovu lot better than the current system. Yes the pot smokers are behind him so what.

I had 27 years in Fairbanks and 6 in Anchorage. And there is nothing you can say to convince me that Ron Paul is NOT a fucking nut. His spam campaign (of which you are a part) will be noted and later perfected by the major parties. Other than that, his place in history will be that of a candidate who managed to raise significant money despite not being able to show a blip on the polls. Once his campaign is dissected and analyzed, the major party candidates (presidential and congressional) will use this info to press their agendas.

In some respects, RP is contributing to the further ruination of american politics.

This is pretty much all absurd. What Paul is doing is building a young base of constituents, via the Internet and alternative media (i.e. non-national media). He's not polling well at all, sure, but that hardly makes him a nut, and Perry404 did a fine job addressing your misconceptions. How drawing support from a young base is further ruining American politics, I can't really begin to understand. What would you rather have, leading-edge grassroots campaigning or swiftboat smear ads?

You didn't read what I wrote at all...

It is his ground breaking (spam) techniques that will be copied and perfected by the major parties. That is his contribution to politics. Maverick techniques that are absorbed into the mainstream cease to be maverick once they are co-opted. Ask Howard Dean about that. He was the last Ron Paul, only much more succesful.

His miniscule poll numbers don't make him a nut. Being a nut is why he polls so badly.

The RP supporters are great at taking spin orders from the RP camp... It's necessary to offset the nutty things the man says. Once he speaks, damange control has to be priority #1. "Yeah, he wants to abolish the CIA... but look at all the other intel agencies we have!" Please. "Yeah he said that if we allowed guns on planes, 9/11 wouldn't have happened... but he didn't mean average citizens..." If that was the case, why not say that?!

I'll tell you why. Because he means what he says. And for that I can respect him. He's a politician who says what is on his mind. God knows we need more of those guys... only less crazy.

But RP is a nut. And I don't know how you can spin that any other way.
 

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ack accidently rated this thread 0 stars...
anyway, i think Everyone should vote ron paul :)
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

But RP is a nut. And I don't know how you can spin that any other way.

There's nothing to spin, because you really haven't addressed why it's nutty. I agree that getting rid of the CIA would be nutty if he didn't have a plan for a replacement, but I'm not sure I believe he'd just get rid of it and then with a straight face tell people he really believes we can function from an intelligence perspective without CIA. Granted, he has said nutty things about getting rid of the EPA and SEC, and is one of the reasons I won't vote for him despite being a Libertarian myself. He is certainly extreme right-wing fringe. But the net spamming you claim he is responsible for really doesn't exist anymore for Paul's campaign than anyone else. That isn't what's new about Paul's campaign. It's that he's garnering support for his ideas and for speaking his mind. People naturally gravitate toward politicians who don't talk out of both sides of their mouth, say what they mean, and just aren't full of shit period. It's probably one of the reasons Hilary has such a high unfavorable rating; she talks out of both sides of her mouth and probably thinks about every decision she makes from a political perspective instead of a sensible, moral, principled perspective.
 
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Ron Paul might be one of the better candidates, but what is he going to do about our nation's most pressing problems--global labor arbitrage and mass immigration? From what I can tell, he opposes illegal immigration but doesn't have a problem with mass legal immigration based on my reading of the interview he gave with VDare.com. Also, being a Libertarian-type he buys into the free market dogma on international trade, which means that under his leadership the United States will continue to transform itself into a third world country devoid of a middle class.

That having been said, he's probably no worse than the other candidates, few of whom have the best interests of the American middle class at heart.
 

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He seems to be one of the few able to withstand the peer pressures of his party and for that he deserves snaps, regardless of whether he'd be a good president or not or will become president. The dems are all circle-jerking pro-party line idiots as are the republicans; the same stuff spewed from any of them with minutiae representing the differences.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
What would you rather have, leading-edge grassroots campaigning or swiftboat smear ads?

Neither. I'd rather have a man competent to be POTUS, of which Paul is most definitely not.

Nobody gives a damn about a "grassroots" effort. Just ask Howard Dean.
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
What would you rather have, leading-edge grassroots campaigning or swiftboat smear ads?

Neither. I'd rather have a man competent to be POTUS, of which Paul is most definitely not.

Nobody gives a damn about a "grassroots" effort. Just ask Howard Dean.

This kind of talk absolutely amazes me. In a perfect world, I would agree that Ron Paul certainly is not the best candidate, because we'd have hundreds of great candidates to choose from.

But, all of you claiming that Ron Paul is a nut, unelectable, and/or incompetent... do you really think there is a better choice out there?

Remember, the President's job it to follow the Constitution. You don't think Ron Paul would excel at that?
 

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
That said, Ron Paul is a fucking nut. He has a few interesting positions that I agree with but overall he's a lunatic. Abolishing the CIA... allowing people to carry guns on planes (or at least suggesting that if guns weren't banned on planes that 9/11 wouldn't have happened) and any number of other whacked out statements he's made on the record... He's a nut. His biggest backers are the pot legalization lobby. That's not a good thing.

He's an interesting internet phenomenon but that's where it ends. I'm sure that other candidates (and the two major parties) are watching his campaign with interest in preperation for the '12 elections to see how to manipulate polls, spam message boards and otherwise artificially 'puff up' a candidate... and in that respect he is certainly breaking new ground. But other than that, he's a foot note in history.

How is abolishing the CIA considered "lunatic"? Abolishing the CIA is not the same as stopping the gathering of foreign intelligence, which Ron Paul is fully in support of. The CIA is one of the most corrupt government organizations, and it has done little to improve the national security of the United States over the years. It needs to be dismantled and replaced.

And, Ron Paul did not claim that allowing people to carry guns on planes would have stopped 9/11 from happening. He suggested that if airlines had been in charge of their own safety and the safety of the passengers rather than some government bureaucracy, then 9/11 may not have occurred. The airlines should be able to decide if pilots, crew members, or passengers are allowed to carry guns on their airplanes, not the government.
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Remember, the President's job it to follow the Constitution. You don't think Ron Paul would excel at that?

No.

And you think there is a candidate running today that would do it better?
 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Remember, the President's job it to follow the Constitution. You don't think Ron Paul would excel at that?

No.

qft

it's strange to agree with Pab, but in any event, there's no way that I'd vote for a candidate who's so strongly anti-abortion and anti-gay rights.

he's got no chance of winning over the moderates with his stance on abortion (I know, states rights, blah blah blah, but it doesn't really matter)
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Remember, the President's job it to follow the Constitution. You don't think Ron Paul would excel at that?

No.

qft

it's strange to agree with Pab, but in any event, there's no way that I'd vote for a candidate who's so strongly anti-abortion and anti-gay rights.

he's got no chance of winning over the moderates with his stance on abortion (I know, states rights, blah blah blah, but it doesn't really matter)

Wow. Anti-abortion and anti-gay rights? Please don't misconstrue Dr. Paul's views.

He's for state's rights and has clearly stated that abortion should be up to the states to decide. That's pro-Constitution, not anti-abortion.

Federalizing Social Policy

Why are we so afraid to follow the Constitution and let state legislatures decide social policy? Surely people on both sides of the abortion debate realize that it's far easier to influence government at the state and local level. The federalization of social issues, originally championed by the left but now embraced by conservatives, simply has prevented the 50 states from enacting laws that more closely reflect the views of their citizens. Once we accepted the federalization of abortion law under Roe, we lost the ability to apply local community standards to ethical issues.

He's for individual rights and has clearly stated that gays should be treated no different than heterosexuals. Rather, everyone should be treated as an individual.

Eliminate Federal Court Jurisdiction

Social problems cannot be solved by constitutional amendments or government edicts. Nationalizing marriage laws will only grant more power over our lives to the federal government, even if for supposedly conservative ends. Throughout the 20th century, the relentless federalization of state law served the interests of the cultural left, and we should not kid ourselves that the same practice now can save freedom and morality. True conservatives and libertarians should understand that the solution to our moral and cultural decline does not lie in a strong centralized government.
 

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Good grief, if Paul got elected we'd have a nut for President instead of George Bush.

OMFG! We're doomed! I will go to Canada or one of the Alaskan islands if he gets elected. We just CAN"T have a NUT in office.
 

HeXploiT

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow...

I guess this explains why Republicans won't vote for him. :p

Hey now....I happen to be a flaming fundamentalist republican.:D Seriously. :)

Y'know what... I'm actually WAY to the right of the Rs... A side effect of having been raised in Alaska. Lately I seem to find myself drifting farther and farther away from the party... not because I'm changing but because the Rs are drifting more to the left every day. Anymore I only vote R because the alternative is D. So I hold my nose and hit the button.

That said, Ron Paul is a fucking nut. He has a few interesting positions that I agree with but overall he's a lunatic. Abolishing the CIA... allowing people to carry guns on planes (or at least suggesting that if guns weren't banned on planes that 9/11 wouldn't have happened) and any number of other whacked out statements he's made on the record... He's a nut. His biggest backers are the pot legalization lobby. That's not a good thing.

He's an interesting internet phenomenon but that's where it ends. I'm sure that other candidates (and the two major parties) are watching his campaign with interest in preperation for the '12 elections to see how to manipulate polls, spam message boards and otherwise artificially 'puff up' a candidate... and in that respect he is certainly breaking new ground. But other than that, he's a foot note in history.

Where did you live in Alaska? I live in Southeast.
I might suggest you slow down and look at things from another perspective. First off you do realize there are over a hundred intelligence agencies in the U.S. government do you not? Ron Paul singles out the CIA solely because of it's persistent abuse of power over the decades. Intelligence will not stop with the end of the cia.
On the Guns note; Paul isn't talking about arming citizens he's talking about letting the airlines protect themselves. many companies have armed security all across the U.S. Why shouldn't an airline? Israeli airlines for decades has had two guards armed with rifles on every flight. Guess what? Buses in Israel are constantly hijacked yet Israeli airlines has never once been. Neither do they depend on the government for their security.

Also Paul is very anti drug. Hell I am very anti-drug. I still believe that his America will be a hellovu lot better than the current system. Yes the pot smokers are behind him so what.

I had 27 years in Fairbanks and 6 in Anchorage. And there is nothing you can say to convince me that Ron Paul is NOT a fucking nut. His spam campaign (of which you are a part) will be noted and later perfected by the major parties. Other than that, his place in history will be that of a candidate who managed to raise significant money despite not being able to show a blip on the polls. Once his campaign is dissected and analyzed, the major party candidates (presidential and congressional) will use this info to press their agendas.

In some respects, RP is contributing to the further ruination of american politics.

I will disagree with you on one final point. You know I've always been a political junkie and have had a love for the game of politics but Ron Paul is the man that made me remember the love I have for my country in a time when there is so much to be cynical about it. If Ron Paul is a crazyman then toss me in the insane asylum and throw away the key. No one pays me to talk about the man. Something within me SCREAMS to talk about him because i know he is right. So what you say about Ron Paul supports being spammers is just wrong. This campaign unlike many of the other candidates doesn't buy off grass roots supports. If you are old enough maybe you can hearken back to the time of John F Kennedy and remember what it is to be passionate. If not then maybe you have never known it.
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Good grief, if Paul got elected we'd have a nut for President instead of George Bush.

OMFG! We're doomed! I will go to Canada or one of the Alaskan islands if he gets elected. We just CAN"T have a NUT in office.

Yeah, that's the part that I find humorous about these debates. People talk like there are better options out there, and that candidates like Dr. Paul are actually worse than what we have now. It amazes me.
 

nageov3t

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the fact is, Ron Paul is going to be completely incapable of accomplishing pretty much anything that's on his agenda... so all we're going to be left with are his personal views and morals, which I strongly, strongly disagree with.
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: loki8481
the fact is, Ron Paul is going to be completely incapable of accomplishing pretty much anything that's on his agenda... so all we're going to be left with are his personal views and morals, which I strongly, strongly disagree with.

No offense, but that is absolute bullshit.

First, he is one of the few politicians that has the ability to separate his personal opinions from Constitutional law and has consistently placed the Constitution above his own beliefs. That's a lot more than can be said for 99% of politicians who are simply out to push their own agendas.

Second, not voting for someone because they are limited in power to carry their ideal policies is a cop out. Certainly electing someone that wishes to perpetuate the norm isn't any better. We have to start somewhere. This should be the exact reason you should support Dr. Paul. He isn't going to do 95% of the things that he, and many of us, would like to see done. However, the other 5% would be a hell of a lot better than what we have.