Why "Land for Peace" will not work

[Thanatopsis]

<< Yet for two decades, Israel was hectored to comply with U.N. resolutions demanding Israel's withdrawal. In May 2000, it complied. To ensure that there could be no possible residual territorial dispute, Israel asked the United Nations to draw the line demarcating the true Israeli-Lebanese border -- the so-called Blue Line -- then pulled back behind it.

Israel's reward?

Hezbollah was not mollified. While its ostensible mission was the liberation of Lebanese territory, it did not disband. On the contrary. It occupied south Lebanon, imported huge new supplies of weapons from Iran and began sporadic cross-border attacks on Israel.
>>



The Danger in Lebanon - Charles Krauthammer - Washington Post

 

[gopunk]

not to mention, isreal was first attacked by multiple countries. it was only after several of these attacks that it decided to occupy some more land.

 

[GasX]

They all hate each other and the world is going to hell in a hand basket. You needed to read a newspaprer to figure that out?

 

[Thanatopsis]

<< They all hate each other and the world is going to hell in a hand basket. You needed to read a newspaprer to figure that out? >>



*sigh*

Did you even read the article?

 

[Random Variable]

The PLO representative in the United States was on MSNBC over the weekend and he made the outrageous claim that Israel was still occupying Lebanon.

The truth of matter is that most of Lebanon is being occupied by Syria (but we're supposed to ignore that well-known fact).

 

[308nato]

The Middle East will see peace when 1 thing happens. One side emerges a clear victor. Face it. They ALL want Israel gone. The Israeli's don't plan on packing their bags in the near future (nor should they). The IDF will take care of it. Soon I hope. With all the sh!t going on there, the supply of fantastic IMI .308 and .223 SS109 surplus ammo has dried up. That sucks.

Great article.

 

[GasX]

<<

<< They all hate each other and the world is going to hell in a hand basket. You needed to read a newspaper to figure that out? >>



*sigh*

Did you even read the article? >>

*sigh*

And it provides a perspective other than what I summed up in two short sentences?

 

[db]

[sarcasm]My side is right, f**k you if you disagree.[/sarcasm]

Let's all shout, and nobody listen. The war of words here is no different than the war of words over there. Self-proclaimed word soldiers, doing their duty.

 

[Lioness]

New York Times:

"Syria killed 20,000 people in the city of Hama in 1982."

"Two million Sudanese have died in the ongoing civil war."

"Sadam Hussein has killed more Arabs than Sharon and all his Israelis predecessors put together but is a hero in the Arab world."

"Arab countries refuse to have the Palestinians in refugee camps disburse into their countries."

Hmmm. Sounds like Double standard.

If Sharon was an Arab who killed at least 20,000 Palestinian civilians, genocide or otherwise, and threw the remaining Arabs into a impovished camp, he would be recognized as a hero in the Arab world.

 

[Random Variable]

<< New York Times:

"Syria killed 20,000 people in the city of Hama in 1982."

"Two million Sudanese have died in the ongoing civil war."

"Sadam Hussein has killed more Arabs than Sharon and all his Israelis predecessors put together but is a hero in the Arab world."

"Arab countries refuse to have the Palestinians in refugee camps disburse into their countries."

Hmmm. Sounds like Double standard.

If Sharon was an Arab who killed at least 20,000 Palestinian civilians, genocide or otherwise, and threw the remaining Arabs into a impovished camp, he would be recognized as a hero in the Arab world. >>


The double standards are absolutely incredible. But that's life.

 

[Geekbabe]

Sometimes in a dire situation the best solution is one which will cause short term pain but will hopefully yield long term gains. I think Sharon would be wise at this point to declare that there will be no more new settlements and to pull back out of some existing ones.

I think this would have several very important advantages,it would demonstate to the Arabs that
Israel above all else desires a lasting peace and end to the killing, more importantly it demonstrates those exact same things to the larger world community. If the arabs are then not able to come to the table and make agreements that they will honor,I think the world community at large would then have much less hesistation in condeming their actions and in fully supporting Israel.

Oh and before anyone goes off on me, I am not in support of the arab terrorist activities, there comes a point however when the body count has become so high and daily life turned into such a DMZ for the average innocent cilivian on either side of this conflict that imho one must sit down and ask exactly what are we fighting for here ? I think that both Sharon and Arafat have lost sight of the true interests of their people and that this conflict is more about their own personal agenda's
than anything else.


Bottom line...imho anyway is people's lives are more important than anything else and that the killing needs to stop.

 

[GasX]

Baffled, what you don't seem to realize is that your suggestion would be reasonable if we would be dealing with reasonable people. Irrationalism and hate define the day not a desire for peace.

The Sh*t is going to hit the fan...

 

[Geekbabe]

<< Baffled, what you don't seem to realize is that your suggestion would be reasonable if we would be dealing with reasonable people. Irrationalism and hate define the day not a desire for peace.

The Sh*t is going to hit the fan... >>




The important part of my suggestin that you've missed is that of the larger world community's involvement in all of this. Just look at all the voices here, decrying what they see as evidence of
brutality and excessive violence on the part of Israel and ATOT is but a small slice of the world as a whole. As it stands I'd imagine there are several nations who if push comes to shove will grudgingly support Isareal but they'll be holding their noses while doing so.

A concession, compromise on the settlement issue would do much towards assuring a global community that's most surely asking themselves "what's in this mess for my country but death and trouble?"


If indeed the arabs remain unreasonable and continue with cowardly
terrorist killings of innocent civilians after Israel has made such an important concession, I have no doubt that the many nations would be more than willing to fully step in in support of Israel ,with the key words here being "fully supporting"

 

[StormRider]

<< Sometimes in a dire situation the best solution is one which will cause short term pain but will hopefully yield long term gains. I think Sharon would be wise at this point to declare that there will be no more new settlements and to pull back out of some existing ones.

I think this would have several very important advantages,it would demonstate to the Arabs that
Israel above all else desires a lasting peace and end to the killing, more importantly it demonstrates those exact same things to the larger world community. If the arabs are then not able to come to the table and make agreements that they will honor,I think the world community at large would then have much less hesistation in condeming their actions and in fully supporting Israel.
>>



I like your idea. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if Israel had just unilaterally went ahead with Clinton's last peace deal when Arafat walked away from it.

 

[JoeBleed]

My question is? Why do people fight over land that is so called holly ground? You take a man today that claims and does the same things as their god did then and he would be considered a mad man. And what a wonderful religion they have that supposedly allows them to kill the opposing ones and be considered a hero, so to speak. And no I am not referring to the radical terrorist attacks made on 9-11. I am simply talking about the same fighting you are talking about. It is over land and religion. Fight for land and rights if someone tries to take it from you but fighting over land just because a mad man that had thousands of people convinced he was a god use to live there is, in my opinion, stupid.

 

[XMan]

Of course it will work! Giving Hitler the Sudetenland prevented a World War! So did giving him Poland!

Oops.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Baffled, what you don't seem to realize is that your suggestion would be reasonable if we would be dealing with reasonable people. Irrationalism and hate define the day not a desire for peace. >>

Which is the truth for both sides. Since they are both so irrational we might as well just give up trying to negotiate peace there, pull all financial support, boycott all products that come from either the israeli's or the Palestinians, forbid any American Corporation from doing business with either Israel and the Palestinians and leave those barbaric bastards to kill each other.

 

[pcmodem]

Yo,
At times like these, Bogart was right:

"The problem is the world is three drinks behind."

Prost,
PCM

 

[JoeBleed]

<< Which is the truth for both sides. Since they are both so irrational we might as well just give up trying to negotiate peace there, pull all financial support, boycott all products that come from either the israeli's or the Palestinians, forbid any American Corporation from doing business with either Israel and the Palestinians and leave those barbaric bastards to kill each other. >>



Agreed!

 

[Ramses]

That place is such a twisted mess of history and lies it's pathetic. How long have they been fighting for one thing or another now? It is a hopeless mess that will NEVER be cleared up as long as the same people and the same crap continues to go on, period. There is no compromise, there is no equlaity, there is no sence to be made. They all have nothing better to do than kill each other and bitch and moan, what else is new. Give them the whole world to settle and they will be killing each other over that in a decade. S.O.S.

SAME OLD SIHT!!!

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

<<

<< Baffled, what you don't seem to realize is that your suggestion would be reasonable if we would be dealing with reasonable people. Irrationalism and hate define the day not a desire for peace.

The Sh*t is going to hit the fan... >>




The important part of my suggestin that you've missed is that of the larger world community's involvement in all of this. Just look at all the voices here, decrying what they see as evidence of
brutality and excessive violence on the part of Israel and ATOT is but a small slice of the world as a whole. As it stands I'd imagine there are several nations who if push comes to shove will grudgingly support Isareal but they'll be holding their noses while doing so.

A concession, compromise on the settlement issue would do much towards assuring a global community that's most surely asking themselves "what's in this mess for my country but death and trouble?"


If indeed the arabs remain unreasonable and continue with cowardly
terrorist killings of innocent civilians after Israel has made such an important concession, I have no doubt that the many nations would be more than willing to fully step in in support of Israel ,with the key words here being "fully supporting" >>



The EU and other parts of the global community will only fully support Israel when they start exporting as much oil as the Arab nations.

 

[Turkey]

The world community is a huge crock. Has any country ever significantly altered their actions due to "world opinion?" No.

The whole premise of "land for peace" is screwed up. Peace benefits both sides, but the land that changes hands only benefits one and significantly hurts the other. That is the real reason land for peace will never work.

 

[b0mbrman]

<< Which is the truth for both sides. Since they are both so irrational we might as well just give up trying to negotiate peace there, pull all financial support, boycott all products that come from either the israeli's or the Palestinians, forbid any American Corporation from doing business with either Israel and the Palestinians and leave those barbaric bastards to kill each other. >>


But if America pulled back its support, could you then guarantee that Europe and the Arab World (especially) would do the same?