Why isn't the new Ford Falcon in America?

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It's not in the UK either, TBH it just looks like a mondeo with a bigger engine. Meh.
 
zerocool84

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VinylxScratches said:
Why do these car companies segregate these cars??? :(
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Tons of cars are not brought here because of many things. Could be the super strict emission or safety standards that we have here compared to the rest of the world. Could be that they think it wouldn't sell. I don't see where the Falcon would fit in here. They already have the Taurus and Fusion. They don't need yet another 4dr sedan, especially one that's performance oriented.
 
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exdeath

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zerocool84 said:
Tons of cars are not brought here because of many things. Could be the super strict emission or safety standards that we have here compared to the rest of the world. Could be that they think it wouldn't sell. I don't see where the Falcon would fit in here. They already have the Taurus and Fusion. They don't need yet another 4dr sedan, especially one that's performance oriented.
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It would be a RWD 4 door "Mustang" type car to compete with cars like the Charger and no longer produced G8. If the Charger's success is any indication, there is definitely demand for low cost practical sports/muscle cars that are front engine, RWD, lots of power, and 4 doors. Otherwise you are looking at M5/CTS territory or having to have the space and budget for both a family minivan and weekend sports car. Instead you can have both, in one car, with a reasonable price of entry.

The Charger is pretty much in that niche all by itself now that the G8 is gone.
 
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Vic Vega

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I'd love to Ford build a Fusion sized RWD sedan using the new 3.7L 305HP V6 they put in the Mustang. The engine is rated at 31 MPG highway in the Mustang. If Ford can keep the weight in the 3,500 range similar numbers should be doable for a sedan.
 
punjabiplaya

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exdeath said:
It would be a RWD 4 door "Mustang" type car to compete with cars like the Charger and no longer produced G8. If the Charger's success is any indication, there is definitely demand for low cost practical sports/muscle cars that are front engine, RWD, lots of power, and 4 doors. Otherwise you are looking at M5/CTS territory or having to have the space and budget for both a family minivan and weekend sports car. Instead you can have both, in one car, with a reasonable price of entry.

The Charger is pretty much in that niche all by itself now that the G8 is gone.
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what I don't get is that massive gap in RWD sedans. For example the CTS. Why isn't there room for an NA v8 or boosted v6 rwd sedan? should be able to get decent fuel econ ~30mpg.
 
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The success of the Charger has absolutely nothing to do with being RWD. Nothing at all. When it was released, it was well hyped for being the rebirth of the Charger name, and the base model sold for about $22k. That's dirt cheap for a car that big. That really low price also meant that the "urban" consumer could now have more money available for 25" chrome spinners. It is ridiculous how many base model Chargers I see around here every day with huge tacky rims on them. Probably less than a quarter are R/T models, and the SRT8 is a rare sight.

The G8 was a vastly superior car to the Charger, and though it sold decently, it didn't exactly save Pontiac. The fact that the base model started over $27k had a lot to do with that, and except for 50cent, no one in the black community gave a crap about it because it wasn't designed to fit huge wheels on it and even if it could, they couldn't afford the wheels after buying the car.

RWD is not a mass market feature, especially in the sedan market. The average consumer doesn't care about it, as it provides no benefit to the average family when going to the grocery store or taking junior to his little league game. For the average consumer looking for a sedan, FWD is simply a better option.
 
RocksteadyDotNet

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Pariah said:
The success of the Charger has absolutely nothing to do with being RWD. Nothing at all. When it was released, it was well hyped for being the rebirth of the Charger name, and the base model sold for about $22k. That's dirt cheap for a car that big. That really low price also meant that the "urban" consumer could now have more money available for 25" chrome spinners. It is ridiculous how many base model Chargers I see around here every day with huge tacky rims on them. Probably less than a quarter are R/T models, and the SRT8 is a rare sight.

The G8 was a vastly superior car to the Charger, and though it sold decently, it didn't exactly save Pontiac. The fact that the base model started over $27k had a lot to do with that, and except for 50cent, no one in the black community gave a crap about it because it wasn't designed to fit huge wheels on it and even if it could, they couldn't afford the wheels after buying the car.

RWD is not a mass market feature, especially in the sedan market. The average consumer doesn't care about it, as it provides no benefit to the average family when going to the grocery store or taking junior to his little league game. For the average consumer looking for a sedan, FWD is simply a better option.
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Have you even driven a rwd car? Even around town rwd feels way better to drive.
 
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Pariah said:
The success of the Charger has absolutely nothing to do with being RWD. Nothing at all. When it was released, it was well hyped for being the rebirth of the Charger name, and the base model sold for about $22k. That's dirt cheap for a car that big. That really low price also meant that the "urban" consumer could now have more money available for 25" chrome spinners. It is ridiculous how many base model Chargers I see around here every day with huge tacky rims on them. Probably less than a quarter are R/T models, and the SRT8 is a rare sight.

The G8 was a vastly superior car to the Charger, and though it sold decently, it didn't exactly save Pontiac. The fact that the base model started over $27k had a lot to do with that, and except for 50cent, no one in the black community gave a crap about it because it wasn't designed to fit huge wheels on it and even if it could, they couldn't afford the wheels after buying the car.

RWD is not a mass market feature, especially in the sedan market. The average consumer doesn't care about it, as it provides no benefit to the average family when going to the grocery store or taking junior to his little league game. For the average consumer looking for a sedan, FWD is simply a better option.
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So much fail, but I'm tired, I'll address this post tomorrow.
 
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Pariah

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RocksteadyDotNet said:
Have you even driven a rwd car? Even around town rwd feels way better to drive.
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Yes, my current vehicle is RWD. I love my car, but if I lived somewhere where it snowed more, I would not own it. Feels way better to drive is a meaningless point to the average family sedan shopper. Just as the average sports car shopper isn't going to be putting trunk space as a key criteria, almost no one shopping for a family sedan is going to make RWD a priority either.
 
RocksteadyDotNet

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Pariah said:
Yes, my current vehicle is RWD. I love my car, but if I lived somewhere where it snowed more, I would not own it. Feels way better to drive is a meaningless point to the average family sedan shopper. Just as the average sports car shopper isn't going to be putting trunk space as a key criteria, almost no one shopping for a family sedan is going to make RWD a priority either.
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If the Commodor or Falcon changed to FWD their sales would be destroyed.

Like 60% less sales.
 
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Pariah

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Vic Vega said:
So much fail, but I'm tired, I'll address this post tomorrow.
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Don't waste your time. Your presence on this board pretty much rules you out of the demographic of people that shop for cars based on their actual needs and common sense. As such your opinion means nothing to the people in the major car companies in charge of designing the products that sell in mass quantities and actually keep the companies in business rather than focusing only on halo products.
 
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Pariah

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RocksteadyDotNet said:
If the Commodor or Falcon changed to FWD their sales would be destroyed.

Like 60% less sales.
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Nice job pulling a random stat like that out of thin air. I'm not going to argue it wouldn't, but it isn't a relevant point. RWD is what those 2 particular models are know for with loyal followers dating back to the 60's. If Chevrolet made the C7 Corvette FWD or Ford did that same to the Mustang it would tank sales to those models as well. Switching the Impala to FWD didn't do much to hurt sales, because the sedan market has little in common with the performance coupe market here in America.
 
Throckmorton

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The next Mustang is going to be Falcon based... hopefully they sell the Falcoln here too. Lincoln still needs a RWD car
 
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