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Why isnt the Library considered a gigantic copyright violation?

aphex

aphex

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Free Books, Music, Movies for anyone who wants it..... Why is it any different than a file sharing service?
 
The library owns the books, not you. They let you borrow them for a brief time but you have to return them. Not to mention, it's a lot more difficult to copy a book than it is to rip a CD or DVD.
 
Originally posted by: Encryptic
The library owns the books, not you. They let you borrow them for a brief time but you have to return them. Not to mention, it's a lot more difficult to copy a book than it is to rip a CD or DVD.
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Why is that any different than borrowing music on a P2P from someone else who owns it?

Also, nothing is stopping you from checking out anything at a library multiple times....
 
Because only one copy can be lent out to one person at any one time, unlike P2P where an infinite number of copies are made.
 
Originally posted by: Encryptic
The library owns the books, not you. They let you borrow them for a brief time but you have to return them. Not to mention, it's a lot more difficult to copy a book than it is to rip a CD or DVD.
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you can still copy them, though.
and you can easily do it and they encourage it.
there are xerox machines all over libraries.


 
Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: Encryptic
The library owns the books, not you. They let you borrow them for a brief time but you have to return them. Not to mention, it's a lot more difficult to copy a book than it is to rip a CD or DVD.
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Why is that any different than borrowing music on a P2P from someone else who owns it?

Also, nothing is stopping you from checking out anything at a library multiple times....
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Do you return the music to the person you downloaded it from after listening to it for a brief time? I highly doubt it.

Besides, I already pointed out that it's a lot more difficult and time-consuming to copy a book than it is to rip a CD or DVD.
 
Also, if you xerox a book, you are technically violating copyright. In this case, you would be the culprit not the library.
 
Originally posted by: gistech1978
Originally posted by: Encryptic
The library owns the books, not you. They let you borrow them for a brief time but you have to return them. Not to mention, it's a lot more difficult to copy a book than it is to rip a CD or DVD.
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you can still copy them, though.
and you can easily do it and they encourage it.
there are xerox machines all over libraries.
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For reference purposes only.
So you can get that page or 2 you need to finish your paper, etc.
Not so you can copy the whole book. If you did that then that would be a copyright violation on your part.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: gistech1978
Originally posted by: Encryptic
The library owns the books, not you. They let you borrow them for a brief time but you have to return them. Not to mention, it's a lot more difficult to copy a book than it is to rip a CD or DVD.
Click to expand...
you can still copy them, though.
and you can easily do it and they encourage it.
there are xerox machines all over libraries.
Click to expand...
For reference purposes only.
So you can get that page or 2 you need to finish your paper, etc.
Not so you can copy the whole book. If you did that then that would be a copyright violation on your part.
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and that is different from one or two mp3s off a CD?
 
Originally posted by: gistech1978
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: gistech1978
Originally posted by: Encryptic
The library owns the books, not you. They let you borrow them for a brief time but you have to return them. Not to mention, it's a lot more difficult to copy a book than it is to rip a CD or DVD.
Click to expand...
you can still copy them, though.
and you can easily do it and they encourage it.
there are xerox machines all over libraries.
Click to expand...
For reference purposes only.
So you can get that page or 2 you need to finish your paper, etc.
Not so you can copy the whole book. If you did that then that would be a copyright violation on your part.
Click to expand...

and that is different from one or two mp3s off a CD?
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Are MP3s considered reference material?
 
Originally posted by: Encryptic
Originally posted by: gistech1978
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: gistech1978
Originally posted by: Encryptic
The library owns the books, not you. They let you borrow them for a brief time but you have to return them. Not to mention, it's a lot more difficult to copy a book than it is to rip a CD or DVD.
Click to expand...
you can still copy them, though.
and you can easily do it and they encourage it.
there are xerox machines all over libraries.
Click to expand...
For reference purposes only.
So you can get that page or 2 you need to finish your paper, etc.
Not so you can copy the whole book. If you did that then that would be a copyright violation on your part.
Click to expand...

and that is different from one or two mp3s off a CD?
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Are MP3s considered reference material?
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they very well could be.
you could rip an mp3 of Mongolian Throat singing for your presentation on the throat singers of mongolia
it would be the same in my mind as copying a page of "everything you wanted to know aboutmongolian throat singers,, but were afraid to ask".



 
Originally posted by: gistech1978
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: gistech1978
Originally posted by: Encryptic
The library owns the books, not you. They let you borrow them for a brief time but you have to return them. Not to mention, it's a lot more difficult to copy a book than it is to rip a CD or DVD.
Click to expand...
you can still copy them, though.
and you can easily do it and they encourage it.
there are xerox machines all over libraries.
Click to expand...
For reference purposes only.
So you can get that page or 2 you need to finish your paper, etc.
Not so you can copy the whole book. If you did that then that would be a copyright violation on your part.
Click to expand...
and that is different from one or two mp3s off a CD?
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Because a single song is a copyrighted work in its entirety. An album is a compilation of copyrighted works.
OTOH, a couple of pages out of a book is merely a very small part of the copyrighted work.
The other big difference is that, if you are sharing on P2P, then you are re-distributing. You don't see too many people handing out single pages of books do you?
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: gistech1978
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: gistech1978
Originally posted by: Encryptic
The library owns the books, not you. They let you borrow them for a brief time but you have to return them. Not to mention, it's a lot more difficult to copy a book than it is to rip a CD or DVD.
Click to expand...
you can still copy them, though.
and you can easily do it and they encourage it.
there are xerox machines all over libraries.
Click to expand...
For reference purposes only.
So you can get that page or 2 you need to finish your paper, etc.
Not so you can copy the whole book. If you did that then that would be a copyright violation on your part.
Click to expand...
and that is different from one or two mp3s off a CD?
Click to expand...
Because a single song is a copyrighted work in its entirety. An album is a compilation of copyrighted works.
OTOH, a couple of pages out of a book is merely a very small part of the copyrighted work.
The other big difference is that, if you are sharing on P2P, then you are re-distributing. You don't see too many people handing out single pages of books do you?
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sure you do, at the library. the library is set up for that whole purpose. you get a reference book that you cannot check out, you get your 3 pages from it. person B comes along to the same book and gets the same pages. the library in holding the book is encouraging distribution of it. there is no problem with this as long as you dont claim the writing as your own & cite your sources.

 
Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: Encryptic
The library owns the books, not you. They let you borrow them for a brief time but you have to return them. Not to mention, it's a lot more difficult to copy a book than it is to rip a CD or DVD.
Click to expand...

Why is that any different than borrowing music on a P2P from someone else who owns it?

Also, nothing is stopping you from checking out anything at a library multiple times....
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Because each and every copy of every book or reference material made available for loan in every library has been paid for or donated. There isn't like one or two large book distributors that buy only one copy of every book, makes copies from them, then distributes them to all the other libraries in the world free of charge.

Further, fair use only exempts educational, scientific, and other public interest uses, not personal enjoyment or recreation. Librarians and libraries have been successfully sued for facilitating and permitting the Xeroxing of substantial portions of copyrighted works. You can't copy an entire book, or even 50% of it, and call it fair use.
 
Originally posted by: amoeba
Also, if you xerox a book, you are technically violating copyright. In this case, you would be the culprit not the library.
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Nope, just xeroxing it is not violating copyright, re-distributing it, or selling it, or otherwise using it without the owners consent (Cite your sources...) would be illegal.
 
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