Why isn't Marijuana legal?

[Modelworks]

The people who caused it to be banned in the first place have stated in interviews several times that it was the worst decision they ever made, that they wished they had never done it.

The problem now is its too late to change the law.
What do we do with all the people in jail for drug related charges , let them out ?
Imagine the lawsuits that would clog the courts.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: chess9
From a health and social policy perspective, including the future costs of healthcare (especially Medicaid/Medicare costs), it makes more sense to prohibit alcohol and marijuana than to legalize it.

If you value the right to kill yourself with drugs and alcohol, your views will be different.


-Robert

Yes, authoritarian versus libertarian, isn't it?
If those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither, what do people who would sacrifice liberty for lower healthcare costs deserve?

I like that.

 

[chess9]

Well, gentlemen, here's a sobering thought. England has very high rates of alcoholism and smoking. The NHS is bankrupt. If you have emphysema, you probably won't get supplementary O2 unless you are in the hospital or near death. The discussion has begun there about which diseases DESERVE treatment. For instance, should they provide heathcare to those who voluntarily cause their own health problems with excessive drinking, smoking, or eating? Given the rising cost of healthcare, this is an inevitable debate and the outcome won't be pretty for those who value their 'freedom' to kill themselves, but decide when they are 40 that, oh, yes, I WILL take that lung transplant, thank you, but NO, I don't have the money pay. Will Medicare or Medicaid pay?

So, who's going to pay for YOUR 'freedom'? Will you pay?

-Robert

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: chess9
From a health and social policy perspective, including the future costs of healthcare (especially Medicaid/Medicare costs), it makes more sense to prohibit alcohol and marijuana than to legalize it.

If you value the right to kill yourself with drugs and alcohol, your views will be different.


-Robert

Why stop at MJ and alcohol?

Why not continue onto snickers, butter, heavy cream, foie gras, kobe beef, fatty toro, rib eye steak, triple cheeseburgers, anything deep fried, extreme sports...

Yes, and we may get to obesity and issues involving extreme sports. Some municipalities now bill those rescued for the costs of getting lost in a snowstorm or wilderness area.

As I note above, England has started a public education program about the dangers of obesity precisely because the NHS is bankrupt and they don't want to have to cut off medical care for health problems caused by obesity.

Snickers is shit 'food' anyway.

-Robert

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: chess9
Well, gentlemen, here's a sobering thought. England has very high rates of alcoholism and smoking. The NHS is bankrupt. If you have emphysema, you probably won't get supplementary O2 unless you are in the hospital or near death. The discussion has begun there about which diseases DESERVE treatment. For instance, should they provide heathcare to those who voluntarily cause their own health problems with excessive drinking, smoking, or eating? Given the rising cost of healthcare, this is an inevitable debate and the outcome won't be pretty for those who value their 'freedom' to kill themselves, but decide when they are 40 that, oh, yes, I WILL take that lung transplant, thank you, but NO, I don't have the money pay. Will Medicare or Medicaid pay?

So, who's going to pay for YOUR 'freedom'? Will you pay?

-Robert

Yes. Fuck Universal/National healthcare. It's socialist bullshit. We have enough social programs as it is. So, that issue would never surface if we continue with healthcare in a similar system as exists now. The only thing that would happen, is your rates may go up if you are deemed an at-risk individual, which if you live a lifestyle of risk, then you should pay accordingly into healthcare because you are likely going to require medical attention, based on odds - unless of course it's marijuana, which will likely be beneficial to healthcare coverage.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: chess9

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: chess9
From a health and social policy perspective, including the future costs of healthcare (especially Medicaid/Medicare costs), it makes more sense to prohibit alcohol and marijuana than to legalize it.

If you value the right to kill yourself with drugs and alcohol, your views will be different.


-Robert

Why stop at MJ and alcohol?

Why not continue onto snickers, butter, heavy cream, foie gras, kobe beef, fatty toro, rib eye steak, triple cheeseburgers, anything deep fried, extreme sports...

Yes, and we may get to obesity and issues involving extreme sports. Some municipalities now bill those rescued for the costs of getting lost in a snowstorm or wilderness area.

As I note above, England has started a public education program about the dangers of obesity precisely because the NHS is bankrupt and they don't want to have to cut off medical care for health problems caused by obesity.

Snickers is shit 'food' anyway.

-Robert

I guess you missed the article which points out that there is no significant correlation between smoking marijuana and lung cancer =P

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: chess9
Well, gentlemen, here's a sobering thought. England has very high rates of alcoholism and smoking. The NHS is bankrupt. If you have emphysema, you probably won't get supplementary O2 unless you are in the hospital or near death. The discussion has begun there about which diseases DESERVE treatment. For instance, should they provide heathcare to those who voluntarily cause their own health problems with excessive drinking, smoking, or eating? Given the rising cost of healthcare, this is an inevitable debate and the outcome won't be pretty for those who value their 'freedom' to kill themselves, but decide when they are 40 that, oh, yes, I WILL take that lung transplant, thank you, but NO, I don't have the money pay. Will Medicare or Medicaid pay?

So, who's going to pay for YOUR 'freedom'? Will you pay?

-Robert

Yes. Fuck Universal/National healthcare. It's socialist bullshit. We have enough social programs as it is. So, that issue would never surface if we continue with healthcare in a similar system as exists now. The only thing that would happen, is your rates may go up if you are deemed an at-risk individual, which if you live a lifestyle of risk, then you should pay accordingly into healthcare because you are likely going to require medical attention, based on odds - unless of course it's marijuana, which will likely be beneficial to healthcare coverage.

Go ahead and tell your insurance carrier you smoke dope. I'm sure it will help your rates immensely.

You will not be able to afford health care, unless we have some sort of universal healthcare system, given the fast rising costs of health care. This isn't a political issue with me, but a practical one. (I would prefer to keep private health care IF it worked. It doesn't. Insurance companies suck too much money out of the system.)

If you take care of yourself, your scenario has a remote chance of working. BUT, if you smoke and drink and eat excessively the chances are very good that once you develop a serious condition, such as heart problems, or diabetes, or cancer, you will have trouble getting health care. So, if you hate nationalized medicine, you'd better take very good care of that little package under your brain.

Most of you guys are young and haven't had a health care emergency, so you don't know the problems.

-Robert

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: chess9

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: chess9
From a health and social policy perspective, including the future costs of healthcare (especially Medicaid/Medicare costs), it makes more sense to prohibit alcohol and marijuana than to legalize it.

If you value the right to kill yourself with drugs and alcohol, your views will be different.


-Robert

Why stop at MJ and alcohol?

Why not continue onto snickers, butter, heavy cream, foie gras, kobe beef, fatty toro, rib eye steak, triple cheeseburgers, anything deep fried, extreme sports...

Yes, and we may get to obesity and issues involving extreme sports. Some municipalities now bill those rescued for the costs of getting lost in a snowstorm or wilderness area.

As I note above, England has started a public education program about the dangers of obesity precisely because the NHS is bankrupt and they don't want to have to cut off medical care for health problems caused by obesity.

Snickers is shit 'food' anyway.

-Robert

I guess you missed the article which points out that there is no significant correlation between smoking marijuana and lung cancer =P

Maybe YOU missed the line where the researcher mentioned other health issues? Also, are you going to smoke grass or not based upon what some researcher's possibly flawed research project says? Since tobacco is a known carcinogen, and causes heart disease, emphysema, and more, doesn't common sense suggest that smoking MJ might not be quite as good for your health as taking up distance running or tennis?

-Robert

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: chess9


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-Robert

I can't run or play tennis because I have bad knees from years of being a valet. What I can do, however, is smoke herb like a mofo.

I value the right to kill myself using whatever means I please.

As of late, it's been MJ, alcohol, and food.

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: chess9


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-Robert

I can't run or play tennis because I have bad knees from years of being a valet. What I can do, however, is smoke herb like a mofo.

I value the right to kill myself using whatever means I please.

As of late, it's been MJ, alcohol, and food.

Medicaid/Medicare will be there to bury you lad.

-Robert