why isn't india experiencing the same economic boom as china

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all we hear on the financial news outlets is how fast china's economy is growing. yet we hear nothing about india.

they have similar populations so their human resources should be comparable.
they handle most of our tech support calls. they are an educated society for the most part.

why are they not enjoying equivalent success as the chinese?
is chinese manufacturing pulling them that far ahead?
are there other reasons, perhaps political?
 

Jaskalas

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It could be that China has the advantages of a more efficient slave labor, where as India has more trouble with its population. Just throwing that out there....
 

yllus

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From what I understand, India's fledgling democratic nature is actually something of a deterrent to foreign investment - it presents many more obstacles than China's bulldozer of a central government.

Democracy again plays a part in how rapidly infrastructure upgrades are rolled out in India, whereas in China, if you need a dam built, the government won't stop for a minute to pay villagers fair rates for their land or conduct ecological surveys...
 

Thump553

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India has a truly mind-boggling bureaucracy. They have been using bureaucracy for decades now mostly in order to employ people.

Immigration is a lot easier from India also, so a good deal of their best are working overseas. Just look in any hospital around here.
 

Infohawk

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One reason is culture. Search the forum for the topic of India and you will get some examples. The caste system is still alive and well in India. See my sig for a good example of the kind of person that wants to keep India backwards.

I think a bigger reason though is India is more fragmented than China. People say that Indians speak English but many don't or speak unintelligible pidgin. Not only that but they don't speak a single language. Hindi may be popular but it's the only one. China only has two languages by comparison and they are culturally homogenous.

Finally, China's autocratic regime is an advantage in some sense. They can direct the economy and population more than India's democratic regime. If it were up to me though, democratic nations would have higher tariffs on authoritarian regimes.
 

God Mode

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Shitty infrastructure. Other than the cities, the transport system throughout the country sucks and road chaos is rampant.
 

chucky2

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Not that China isn't, but, spend some time talking to recent Indian US citizens about India. It's both amazing and sad how bad it is there re: corruption...
 

cirrrocco

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One reason is culture. Search the forum for the topic of India and you will get some examples. The caste system is still alive and well in India. See my sig for a good example of the kind of person that wants to keep India backwards.

I think a bigger reason though is India is more fragmented than China. People say that Indians speak English but many don't or speak unintelligible pidgin. Not only that but they don't speak a single language. Hindi may be popular but it's the only one. China only has two languages by comparison and they are culturally homogenous.

Finally, China's autocratic regime is an advantage in some sense. They can direct the economy and population more than India's democratic regime. If it were up to me though, democratic nations would have higher tariffs on authoritarian regimes.

Yup quoting one american born Indian to be representative of India is very smart and conclusive.

That guy makes insane statements that would make a brown man blush and yet you think that it is conclusive evidence that India is as casteist as it was a hundred years ago. Can you imagine 300-400 years of no education to the masses. it will take a while for people to remove the shackles and become totally free.

Dharma as a way of life will ensure that it is the case, no matter how long it takes, provided of course talibunny wahhabi islam doesnt kill off the indians or the godless chinese commies start another war that ends up with trading nukes.

It has only been 60 years guys.. the US was enlightened in 1776 and yet it took about 290 years to have real freedom for blacks. so give the Indians a little bit more time.

I agree with your points about corruption, Language and the political system. Good points
 
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Yup quoting one american born Indian to be representative of India is very smart and conclusive.

That guy makes insane statements that would make a brown man blush and yet you think that it is conclusive evidence that India is as casteist as it was a hundred years ago. Can you imagine 300-400 years of no education to the masses. it will take a while for people to remove the shackles and become totally free.

Dharma as a way of life will ensure that it is the case, no matter how long it takes, provided of course talibunny wahhabi islam doesnt kill off the indians or the godless chinese commies start another war that ends up with trading nukes.

It has only been 60 years guys.. the US was enlightened in 1776 and yet it took about 290 years to have real freedom for blacks. so give the Indians a little bit more time.

I agree with your points about corruption, Language and the political system. Good points

so you do not think blacks have real freedom today?
and you have the ability to see into the future?
 

Zebo

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India has cast system. Treats tribals and most people like dirt.

People require investment for success. India is a win big lose big society.
 

Infohawk

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Yup quoting one american born Indian to be representative of India is very smart and conclusive.

That guy makes insane statements that would make a brown man blush and yet you think that it is conclusive evidence that India is as casteist as it was a hundred years ago.
I agree with your points about corruption, Language and the political system. Good points

Looks like you are making assumptions. I didn't say Baasha comments are conclusive evidence of anything. I said he was an example of someone's who's a fan of the caste system. I also told OP if he did a search he would find a thread / article about the caste system keeping India back. Also I never said it's as bad as it was a hundred years ago. Did I? I said it was still a problem. So I'll rephrase it for you since you have reading comprehension problems:

The caste system is a problem for India. (Baasha is an example of an idiot who supports the caste system.)

If you want to respond to my post please do not put words in my mouth. Thanks.
 
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I'm guessing that it's a combination of factors--the backwards caste system, the religious-mystical culture, an ineffectual government, and perhaps greater population density.

Does India have more or less arable and livable land per capita than what China has?
 

Doboji

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Crippling, crushing corruption. The brains are all there... the infrastructure isn't. The government is SO corrupt all the way down the chain to the widget turner.
 

Jhhnn

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The British co-opted the corrupt rulers of India during the Colonial period, and when the British left, they were still in charge.

The communist revolution in China annihilated the corrupt ruling elite, so corruption had to start from scratch, not from a well organized machine dating back for hundreds of years...

My father served in Shanghai in the navy after WW2, and described it as the dirtiest most corrupt place he could ever have imagined, but was nonetheless fiercely anti-communist until some of the early 1970's videos (shot by journalists surreptitiously out of car windows) surfaced in the media. He was amazed that the streets of Shanghai were clean and that the random people on the street had warm winter clothes...
 
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I think that people have hit most of the points, corruption, inefficient government, and caste system. Imagine if a significant portion of the US population believed in white supremacy like InfoHawk and some others here do, the US would probably be a dump.

Doesn't India have quotas and such for lower caste people? It'll probably be another 50 or so years for that to alleviate some of the caste issues.
 

DucatiMonster696

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From what I understand, India's fledgling democratic nature is actually something of a deterrent to foreign investment - it presents many more obstacles than China's bulldozer of a central government.

Democracy again plays a part in how rapidly infrastructure upgrades are rolled out in India, whereas in China, if you need a dam built, the government won't stop for a minute to pay villagers fair rates for their land or conduct ecological surveys...

Pay fair rates? More like order them to accept what they are given and move the fuck out or else. Oh and lol at "conducting ecological surveys" part unless you are being completely sarcastic.
 

Baasha

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all we hear on the financial news outlets is how fast china's economy is growing. yet we hear nothing about india.

they have similar populations so their human resources should be comparable.
they handle most of our tech support calls. they are an educated society for the most part.

why are they not enjoying equivalent success as the chinese?
is chinese manufacturing pulling them that far ahead?
are there other reasons, perhaps political?

The answer to you question is quite complex.

India has been subjugated under continuous waves of invasions by barbarians since the 8th century CE (712 CE to be exact); first by the marauding Muslim Arabs and then the thieving Christian British almost a thousand years later.

The Indian ethos, that is, Hindu culture, has been kept down and still is so due to the lib-left scumbags who are communist-Marxist who are in charge of the entire English-speaking media in India, the Muslim fanatics in and out of India (funded by Middle Eastern terrorists like Saudi Arabia), and Christian fanatics funded by western bible-thumping apes. The post-modernist outlook on culture that has been imposed on the Indian ethos posits a pseudo-secular narrative that keeps out any and all influence of Hindu/Dharmic philosophy from discourse in the public sphere. The travesty is that Indian culture is suffused with Hinduism and is Hinduism is practice. This culture has been worn out so much by invading influences and constant denigration, both physically and mentally, that current-day India in no way represents the greatness that it once was; Bharatvarsha - the spiritual epicenter of the world as well as the richest country on the planet till the 1800s. (Remember, that rapist-murderer Christopher Columbus was looking for India!)

In terms of "economic progress", the phrase is misleading to begin with. India, like China, is regaining its position on the world stage economically speaking (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_by_past_GDP_(PPP)). Despite over 1300 years of plunder, rape, pillaging, and genocide by barbarians, India is now the 10th largest economy in the world and 4th largest by PPP (purchasing power parity). To come to such an economic state a mere 63 years after independence is quite astounding. It should also be noted that India's economic principles were drastically changed in the early 1990s by the then Prime Minister, PV Narasimha Rao (a Brahmin- surprise surprise ;)); one of the greatest PMs India has had despite being part of the Congress Party (anti-Hindu/anti-national/minority-appeasing bums).

Although the rate of economic growth has been lower than that of China's, India's growth is looked upon as more favorable due to its somewhat steady pace of well over 7% per annum. Now, the growth is touching 10% and seems to keep climbing yearly. That kind of growth, the growth that is slow and steady, is much more sustainable in the long run and is thus looked upon optimistically by economists worldwide. China's brute-force method has helped them catapult to the second largest economy in the world, however, whether that is sustainable in the long run is anybody's guess.

China's one party system with no election also helps their reforms, whether economic or otherwise, see reality much quicker than those in India due to the latter's democratic government. With a myriad political parties, separated on language, caste, and religious lines, India's democratic system is nothing short of a miracle. The largest democracy, that is, India, has the largest elections in the history of mankind; more than 430 million people voted in the 2009 elections and elected a minority candidate to the highest office of Prime Minister; Dr. Manmohan Singh, a Sikh. India's President is a woman and the Vice-President is a Muslim. :eek: Minority "rights" did you say? Dumb shit-for-brains in the west who still won't vote for a woman as President have the gall to talk about "women's rights" in other countries. :rolleyes:

Despite India's bungling in implementation and enforcement of laws and reforms to help various sections of society, more than 300 million people, the size of the entire US, is considered upwardly mobile and 'middle class' (with regard to purchasing power).

Interesting you brought up Indian economy today; India just got its first Ferrari dealership yesterday (source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703453804576191712833758754.html). And, those cars are starting at 2.2 Crores (22 Million Rupees which translates to around ~$487,000) means that they are MUCH more expensive than the same cars in the US (due to excise tax etc.).

As others have already said, China's homogeneous culture and ethnicity (to a large extent) has helped them a lot. They are much more cohesive and it is very difficult to find an anti-China Chinese than an anti-India Indian. In fact, the latter group enjoys a strong following in and out of India; they are a special caste called BLCs; that is, BOOT-LICKING-COOLIES. :)

India, as a democracy will be one of the largest economies in the world. Compared to China, I'm not sure whether it'll be bigger or not, but India's society, which is free, democratic, and diverse, is place where anyone can come and settle down and feel at home. The same cannot be said of China.

Certain foreign investors, with their poor understanding of Indian culture, will perhaps prefer China in the near future due to the latter's homogeneity and seemingly safer government, however, in the long run, investment in India's future will pay a much higher dividend, monetarily and more.

And, India is officially known as a "democratic SOCIALIST republic" so it is because they are following, at the governmental level, western principles, the economy has been in doldrums. If they follow the age-old traditions of Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism), India will be what it was; the richest country on the planet, monetarily, culturally, and spiritually, without destroying others or dominating over others.

After all, it was Chinese philosopher Hu Shih who said, "India conquered and dominated China culturally for two thousand years without ever having to send a single soldier across her border."
 
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fire400

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robust leadership in china.

india has good educated people, but they lack leadership.
 

Schadenfroh

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the backwards caste system
See de facto segregation in mainland China with regards to migrant workers, farming peasants, etc.

I have seen a Chinese graduate student in tears when admitting that they are from a lower "caste" and felt so ashamed that their parents were farmers / peasants.
Pay fair rates? More like order them to accept what they are given and move the fuck out or else.
My girlfriend is Chinese, her parents just got booted off their land because some corrupt local government official got a nice bribe from a foreign (non-Chinese) company to eminent domain their asses to build a new shipping center. It was not exactly "fair rates" that was given in return, just glad she has a sibling that lives in another city that can take care of them.
Crippling, crushing corruption.
How is it worse than mainland Chinese government corruption?