why is Upload bandwidth so expensive?

[Anubis]

it seems now a days that my 3.0/384 RR line is slow with places offering 6/512, 10/1 lines and the like for minimal expense

WHY is it that they can can offer 2x the down speed for the same price but the second you start upping the upload speed even a tiny bit the prices skyrocket?

IMO a 4/1 line is much more desirable then a 6/512 line or even OOl with their 10/1 who need 10Mbit down? why not give 5 down and 5 up? that would be so much cooler

 

[igowerf]

I would be happy with 1.5/1.5. I dont' need THAT much downstream, but more upstream would be really nice.

 

[her209]

Because it costs more.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: her209
Because it costs more.

WHY does it cost more

what about it makes it cost so damn much

 

[BigJ]

Interesting question, I'm pretty curious about this myself.

 

[vi edit]

To discourage you from hosting content on a residential line.

 

[imported_Nail]

Hosting.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: her209
Because it costs more.

WHY does it cost more

what about it makes it cost so damn much

Yea really don't understand it... I guess it keeps people from sharing much more stuff openly.

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: igowerf
I would be happy with 1.5/1.5. I dont' need THAT much downstream, but more upstream would be really nice.

Likewise. I don't need insane download speeds but having a comparably fast upload would be NICE.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: her209
Because it costs more.

WHY does it cost more

what about it makes it cost so damn much

Because they can charge you for it. Shouldn't cost the telecom companies much more in overhead at all...after all, those massive Cisco routers can handle so much traffic a piddly megabit here or there shouldn't matter. But it's a cash cow for them so they charge you more. That's my theory.

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
To discourage you from hosting content on a residential line.

exactly

 

[RagingBITCH]

Like others said, to discourage hosting on a residential line, which sorely taxes the ISP if multiple residents are doing so, and the fact that 95% of their subscribers don't need the excessive upload. They can charge a premium b/c those who actually need it will pay for it.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: iloveme2

Originally posted by: vi_edit
To discourage you from hosting content on a residential line.

exactly

so they dont wnat you hosting yet the willingly give you 10 megs to download all the crap you want

thats just stpid

 

[silverpig]

Businesses would rather pay the $40/mo for a 3/3 residential line than pay $200/mo for a 3/3 business line with capped usage per month. That's why.

 

[paulney]

Providers operate on a basis similiar to the way major phone companies operate on international lines: they do not bill each other, but rather calculate the amount owed on the difference of traffic.

Say, provider A ins located in SF, provider B in NYC
Provider A recieves 500 Mb of traffic from provider B, while provider B recieves only 400 Mb of traffic from A.
The difference at the end of the month is 100 Mb which provider B has to pay to provider A.

However, since the amount of traffic is so volatile, providers do not bill each other at the end of the month, unless the amount outstanding is smth out of the ordinary. Now, these providers we are talking about are not small-time hosting and dila-up proivders, but rather monsters of telecom industry. There's only a few of those in the country and they run a fat-pipe backbone, which is subleased to smaller providers.

Now these smaller providers pay to the monsters for using the pipe. They pay by the amount of traffic they generate. Naturally, they want to limit the amount of traffic generated, and hence bill the end consumer/user for upload bandwith.

 

[paulney]

Of course, the analogy with SF - NYC expands to the rest of the world. Someone has to maintain the major lines between the continents. The amount of traffic generated from one country to another is billed on the same difference-calculation basis. That is why providers in a particular country limit the upload bandwith for foreign hosts, while setting a very high cap for domestic users.

 

[dc]

yeah, i have 6/608, i would prefer a 1.5/1.5.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: paulney
Providers operate on a basis similiar to the way major phone companies operate on international lines: they do not bill each other, but rather calculate the amount owed on the difference of traffic.

Say, provider A ins located in SF, provider B in NYC
Provider A recieves 500 Mb of traffic from provider B, while provider B recieves only 400 Mb of traffic from A.
The difference at the end of the month is 100 Mb which provider B has to pay to provider A.

However, since the amount of traffic is so volatile, providers do not bill each other at the end of the month, unless the amount outstanding is smth out of the ordinary. Now, these providers we are talking about are not small-time hosting and dila-up proivders, but rather monsters of telecom industry. There's only a few of those in the country and they run a fat-pipe backbone, which is subleased to smaller providers.

Now these smaller providers pay to the monsters for using the pipe. They pay by the amount of traffic they generate. Naturally, they want to limit the amount of traffic generated, and hence bill the end consumer/user for upload bandwith.

ok i understand that but isnt doenload bandwidth the same?

and RagingBITCH: of all the peopel that have BB, im gonna say less the 15% would even know what do do with all that upload bandwidth

and OK they dont want people hosting so the charge 10X for it, but why not offer it at the same prioce if sopmeone asks for it, cause teh average idiot on BB isnt gonna have a clue, but a clause in there about hosting and your all set

EDIT: about this ratio is the down speed was decresed proportioannly to an upspeed increse wouldent it stay the same and not cost anymore?

instead of 6/608 havd a 3/1.2 or 2/1.5

 

[Monel Funkawitz]

why is Upload bandwidth so expensive?

Because upload is metric. Download is SAE.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Monel Funkawitz

why is Upload bandwidth so expensive?

Because upload is metric. Download is SAE.

put that in laymans terms for me

 

[paulney]

Originally posted by: Anubis

ok i understand that but isnt doenload bandwidth the same?

Well, see, the download bandiwth is the traffic generated by someone, right. It's the same analogy as with a toll road: say two trucking companies maintain the road. Trucking company that has more trucks passing through it should pay more at the end of month because its trucks did a lot more damage, than a single truck from the other company.

Someone has to pay for the maintenance of the network equipment, and its prorated by the amount of traffic generated from your address.

 

[paulney]

EDIT: about this ratio is the down speed was decresed proportioannly to an upspeed increse wouldent it stay the same and not cost anymore?

instead of 6/608 havd a 3/1.2 or 2/1.5

It doesn't cost provider any extra to pass down the traffic generated by someone else to you. He's not paying for it. However, it's a great leverage in attracting users: greater download speeds.