Why is Trump destroying his Legacy and making a fool of himself by clinging to these far fetch ideas to desperately stay in office?

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Muse

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All of the above, maybe the overriding one being the fear of being out of office (the shield from prosecution suddenly disappearing). He's not being rational. He's pretty much incapable of being rational, it's not his style.
 

nOOky

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Fuck Trump, what's wrong with the Republican party? POS can't even get a few adults together, and make a visit to the WH and tell him like it is. These people are destroying this democracy for some big picture reason, I can't begin to fathom.

Trump got over 70 million votes and came within 5 million of having more than the best candidate the Democrats could field against him to win this particular election cycle. That is enough of a voter base to keep the Republicans quietly united behind him right there. They are inches away from winning again in 4 years. Especially since now it takes millions of independent voters to swing, many of whom already agree with conservative principles or are slightly right leaning.

As many have previously stated, if Trump did not self-implode and kill his own chances and merely remained quiet all else being equal, he would have another 4 years.
 
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dawp

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AFAIK, no.

The way the DNC solves this is with super delegates. With the RNC, if you get the most votes, you are the candidate.

So here's what will likely happen.

If trump runs in 2024, most republicans are going to look at that and go "Hell no!" because he lost in 2020 to Biden (so why put him up again?). However, a number of his cult follower will likely vote for him no matter what. What will be interesting is if the insane wing of the party overpowers the rational part of the party.

My bet, is that the way they combat that is by raising the bar for if you are involved in debates/etc. Somewhat like the DNC did recently. This won't keep trump from being in the race, but it WILL keep him from having a field of 40 candidates splitting the reasonable votes. The RNC is going to want to have it be Trump V 1 or 2 other people so that votes can be consolidated on whoever the non-trump candidate is.

How many people end up running anyways is also an open question. I don't think there will be as many candidates in 2024 as there were in 2016 for no other reason than it is going to be a harder election to get Biden out (IMO).

If Trump wins the primary in 2024, that will a disaster for the RNC. It will fire up democrat voters like no other candidate (as it did in 2020). If trump decides to run as an independent in 2024 that will be a bigger disaster for the RNC, because it will split the ticket pretty aggressively (The Republican candidate may even get a minority of votes on that split ticket).

The only hope for a Republican candidate in 2024 is if trump decides to not run. That, or Biden needs to MASSIVELY screw up (not likely IMO).

Here's the clincher IMO. Trump doesn't really care at all about institutions. So if he runs, there's going to be nothing that stops him. He's pulled this sort of stunt a bunch of times in business. The most interesting example (to me at least) is the USFL. Trump killed that league by pretty much ignoring common sense and chasing his own greed. I highly doubt he learned a lesion from that. He's not one for self sacrifice for the good of the collective.

Trump may be a thorn in the RNC until he dies... which is delicious to me.
Not just donnie himself, his kids are trying to take control of the GOP, especially jr.
 

Cogman

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Not just donnie himself, his kids are trying to take control of the GOP, especially jr.

I think that the trump spawn don't have as much pull as the trump himself. JR probably has the most pull. I have a hard time seeing them getting seriously into politics.
 
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"Legacy"

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give me a break.
 

Moonbeam

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I think his primary fear is of a more primal nature: the fear of being seen as a loser.
Everything he fears has already happened. His father made sure he felt like a such a loser that it caused him to invent a world of denial he has spent his whole life perfecting. He has losers disease and is tragically mentally ill because of it.
 

nickqt

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I think that the trump spawn don't have as much pull as the trump himself. JR probably has the most pull. I have a hard time seeing them getting seriously into politics.
Republican Party fascism is like a baton in a relay race.

Sometimes it gets handed off really well and it can make up lost time.

Bush Jr. was a soft-fascist, still arguably operating within the law as the then-current AG described it. It got fumbled with McCain since he was arguably a "moderate" and wasn't all-in with demonizing Obama has a Kenyan Usurper. Palin almost picked it up but stumbled over her methed-out family and her own ass.

Rmoney never really wanted to pick the baton up but knew if he didn't that he'd get yelled at, so he gingerly just kicked it forward.

Trump fell down a god damn escalator and picked it up while still rolling ass over teakettle on the pavement, and the cheer of the right-wing authoritarian crowd literally picked him up and flung him forward 100 yards.

The rest of the Trump family are basically light imitations of Trump. They'd just fumble that baton and end up with road rash all over their faces, assuming they aren't already covered in roadrash beneath their makeup and track suits.

Tom Cotton, though? I think that mother fucker can sprint. I guess we'll see.
 
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Stokely

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His legacy? It's the same as it always has been to various people. This won't change it.

To me, he's always been a grifting, cheating, fraudulent, thin-skinned vindictive bully with no class at all. This behavior is exactly expected from a such a person.

To somewhat less than half the country, he's a small-g god who knows all and doesn't need evidence for any of it, fighting the good fight for the virtuous little person in this country. This behavior is another example of going to bat for justice.

Depends on which reality you accept, really! :D
 

Muse

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This is Trump’s legacy: Thousands in miles long lines waiting for food handouts.

Edit: The worst part is, at least half of those cars waiting in line for food are driven by people who believe they are better off under Trump vs. Obama.
At the same time, Eta, the worst hurricane of the worst hurricane season in history, a Cat 5, is barreling down on eastern Nicaragua, the 30th of the year. 2+2=5 president says global warming is a myth, that covid-19 was a Democratic hoax, that mask wearers were unpatriotic, that the virus would disappear by last Easter, that he won the election and won't let the legitimate winner transition. Legacy of this piece of shit? Are you serious? That word doesn't belong in the same sentence with that buffoon, worst traitor in American history. That's no legacy, it's a litany of infamy.
 
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Franz316

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At the same time, Eta, the worst hurricane of the worst hurricane season in history, a Cat 5, is barreling down on eastern Nicaragua, the 30th of the year. 2+2=5 president says global warming is a myth, that covid-19 was a Democratic hoax, that mask wearers were unpatriotic, that the virus would disappear by last Easter, that he won the election and won't let the legitimate winner transition. Legacy of this piece of shit? Are you serious? That word doesn't belong in the same sentence with that buffoon, worst traitor in American history..
I watch hurricanes a good amount and this thing going tropical storm to category 5 in 24 hours was crazy. The coming years are going to be wild.
 
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His legacy of being the worst person to ever be the POTUS? Yeah, I don't think he can destroy that more than it has been since the day he was elected.
 
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ch33zw1z

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trump's legacy is far fetched ideas. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell drove any semblance of policy.
 

Muse

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trump's legacy is far fetched ideas. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell drove any semblance of policy.
And they decided to skip having a 2020 platform, the GOP. So now their ship is missing the mainsail AND the rudder.
 

blankslate

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I believe, even more than the possibility of being charged with a crime of some sort, Trump, in his mind, can't possibly lose the election if there wasn't some sort of fraud...because that's how he would do it.


Pretty much that.

Trump knows he's shady AF and that someone would likely try him for his crimes after he has committed enough of them...


__________
 

Moonbeam

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Trump is a narcissist. He has the ego disease in the extreme. That means that he suffers from a malignant form of self hate that requires constant need to affirm himself as a great person, a need to prove he is, a constant state of insecurity that he seeks to assuage by endless adulation from other people, to control what they think and to make them worship him.

This will drive him to express his inner feelings of worthlessness in worldly actions so as to have a battleground for denial. What he unconsciously seeks is humiliation. In this way he creates what he fears. Now he gets to fight against having made a sufficient ass of himself that even his great skill at faking greatness failed him.

Now he is trying to pull off the fake reality he actually won.

He can’t allow himself to know he created what he feared.
 
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VRAMdemon

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Trumps legacy is gaslighting, lies/conspiracies and death. TrumpandCO has done things merely to press your buttons, and then uses your emotional state to prevent considered thinking. Whilst he gets this reaction, he basically has the impressionable and gullible by balls. It puts him in control of the agenda. Throw in a load of controversial activities, conspiracies and lies, he then maintains his objective, which is to keep people off balance and in the dark space of bullshit

He has forced himself into our lives for no other reason than to force himself into your life - basically a attention whore.

But what if he got no attention, what if no-one rose to his bait - what power does he have over you personally? Yes he currently does have an administrative power for a few more months - but all of his decisions can be pretty much overturned and he be tuned out

Trumpers who have become addicted to his shitshow - who need his outrage? its fucking time to turn it off - give him nothing and let his technique of outrage, lies and hate become irrelevant - He will implode and you could be set free.

What do we do with attention seeking spoiled babies - we give them nothing, no attention, or we see him for what he is, a nothing, a zero, a sound without meaning.
 

MtnMan

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He will not be remembered so much for his desperation to suppress the vote, as he will for the 500,000 dead Americans under his watch.

His going after the vote will likely benefit the integrity of future election as the election system is made more secure as states implement more secure and reliable elections.