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Why is this card so cheap

AGP?? Nice! Non-reference cooler as well.

Sucks though, but the PCIe verison is about $115 right now from BFG and a few others... I finally upgraded from AGP just for Conroe myself.
 
Originally posted by: Kougar
AGP?? Nice! Non-reference cooler as well.

Sucks though, but the PCIe verison is about $115 right now from BFG and a few others... I finally upgraded from AGP just for Conroe myself.
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That's not always a good thing...
 
???? ummm..... that's the vague way of saying nothing...

Nice deal OP for those who need it... I'm on PCIex16 now tho
 
the Leadtek 7600 GT AGP got a commendatory write-up at Trusted Reviews. Their comparative benchmarks put it on equal footing with the 7800 GS:

  • "...either the BFG 7800 GS is disappointingly slow, or the Leadtek 7600 GT is surprisingly fast. Considering the Leadtek card is some £50 cheaper, this would be our choice card."
I've got a friend who was going to splurge on a 7800 GS to rescue an aging AGP rig from escalating irrelevance, but when I showed him the above review he opted for the much cheaper Leadtek.
 
I probably should be posting questions like this in the General forum, but this thread seemed appropriate -

Here's my situation:

AMD Mobile Athlon XP-M 2400+ (35W) (Never overclocked, though I could probably get a lot more power out of it)
EpoX 8RDA+ (nforce2 board)
1 gig ram (2x512 for dual channel, crucial)
Radeon 9500 non-pro 128mb (bought in hopes of soft modding to 9800, no such luck)

My video card went bad today, displays nothing on bootup, fan doesn't turn on, etc. Pretty sure the rest of the computer works fine though, going to test with another spare card soon.


Anyway, my questions are: Will this card be too powerful for my system? Limited by the speed of the rest of the components? Will it be a noticeable upgrade from my Radeon 9500?

With my current setup I don't really feel the need for more processing power in the things I use it for, but a little more video card would be very nice, as I mainly use it for gaming.
 
Originally posted by: LucJoe
I probably should be posting questions like this in the General forum, but this thread seemed appropriate -

Here's my situation:

AMD Mobile Athlon XP-M 2400+ (35W) (Never overclocked, though I could probably get a lot more power out of it)
EpoX 8RDA+ (nforce2 board)
1 gig ram (2x512 for dual channel, crucial)
Radeon 9500 non-pro 128mb (bought in hopes of soft modding to 9800, no such luck)

My video card went bad today, displays nothing on bootup, fan doesn't turn on, etc. Pretty sure the rest of the computer works fine though, going to test with another spare card soon.


Anyway, my questions are: Will this card be too powerful for my system? Limited by the speed of the rest of the components? Will it be a noticeable upgrade from my Radeon 9500?

With my current setup I don't really feel the need for more processing power in the things I use it for, but a little more video card would be very nice, as I mainly use it for gaming.
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This will be a huge upgrade, and will be limited by your processor. But if you are happy with everything else you do, upgrading the Video card isn't a bad idea. If you wanted to keep it into the future, you could also get one of those socket 939 combo boards that has an AGP slot as well with PCIe.
 
Originally posted by: blckgrffn

This will be a huge upgrade, and will be limited by your processor. But if you are happy with everything else you do, upgrading the Video card isn't a bad idea. If you wanted to keep it into the future, you could also get one of those socket 939 combo boards that has an AGP slot as well with PCIe.
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Well, I guess if my processor will be holding me back I should just take the plunge now and move to a PCIe board, as I would be able to save money getting a cheaper comparable video card. Only have ~$500 to spend on it though, time to start researching!
 
Originally posted by: LucJoe
I probably should be posting questions like this in the General forum, but this thread seemed appropriate -

Here's my situation:

AMD Mobile Athlon XP-M 2400+ (35W) (Never overclocked, though I could probably get a lot more power out of it)
EpoX 8RDA+ (nforce2 board)
1 gig ram (2x512 for dual channel, crucial)
Radeon 9500 non-pro 128mb (bought in hopes of soft modding to 9800, no such luck)

My video card went bad today, displays nothing on bootup, fan doesn't turn on, etc. Pretty sure the rest of the computer works fine though, going to test with another spare card soon.


Anyway, my questions are: Will this card be too powerful for my system? Limited by the speed of the rest of the components? Will it be a noticeable upgrade from my Radeon 9500?

With my current setup I don't really feel the need for more processing power in the things I use it for, but a little more video card would be very nice, as I mainly use it for gaming.
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That CPU will hold things back a little with current games... if you are dead set on keeping the current CPU a 7600GS AGP or X1600Pro AGP will be a much better value and a signifigant boost in video performance.

As the above poster mentioned ... newegg has very nice combo deal on a AMD64 3400+ (2.4ghz) and motherboard. I recomended a friend move to the folowing on the cheap:

Athlon64 Socket754 3400+ (2.4Ghz) with Nforce 3 Motherboard $100
http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Sho...art.asp?Submit=ADD&ItemList=combo.7440

Arctic Cooler CPU Fan $15
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835186126

Either: 7600GS AGP or X1600 Pro AGP (Mainly depending on if you prefer ATI or NVIDIA ... the 7600GS has a slight performance advantage, but both are a good bang for the $$.)

7600GS 512MB AGP @$135
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133176

X1600 Pro 512MB AGP @$100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814131430

Yes you could save $5-$10 on 256MB versions of the above cards, but with Massivly Multiplayer games I prefer to have as much avialable texture memory as possible. (Call it superstition if you will.) However, if it were signifigantly more expensive for more onboard RAM then I wouldn't bother.

So for around $215 you could give your system a MAJOR overhaul. If you had $400-$500 to spend then there are better routes to go. For $150-$250 upgrade this will give you an incredible boost.

Update: Opps for some reason I thought the OP was upgrading for World of Warcraft. I think I was getting this post mixed up with another that I was reading. Oh well... you can ignore my opinion on the 512Meg cards then.
 
I've been thinking about one last AGP or a motherboard upgrade, and my view is paying a premium for old technology is not smart. Either find a "decent" used AGP card cheap, or get a new motherboard and enjoy the future now.

You do have to remember what you use the computer for, sometimes a new video card is a worthless expense, sometimes it turns a system around.
 
Originally posted by: mikeford
I've been thinking about one last AGP or a motherboard upgrade, and my view is paying a premium for old technology is not smart. Either find a "decent" used AGP card cheap, or get a new motherboard and enjoy the future now.

You do have to remember what you use the computer for, sometimes a new video card is a worthless expense, sometimes it turns a system around.
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Yeah, it sucks that AGP cards have a premium now. $150 for a 6800GT? No thanks, I'll pass and get a new 7600GT AGP, thanks 🙂

Nat
 
Actually I am thinking about this card because I cant afford(wife wont let me)
upgrade my whole
socket 754 system. I currently have a 6600gt agp 128. Will this be a good boost? I hear Americas Army 2.7 needs a 256 card for optimal. I play that game exclusivly.
 
Originally posted by: powerup
Actually I am thinking about this card because I cant afford(wife wont let me)
upgrade my whole
socket 754 system. I currently have a 6600gt agp 128. Will this be a good boost? I hear Americas Army 2.7 needs a 256 card for optimal. I play that game exclusivly.
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Not really much of a boost there, but if you spend a bit more you should go with the 7600GT and that would actually be a real boost from the 6600GT, but IMO i would get a Biostar T-Force PCIe board and go with the cheaper PCIe version.

 
You're better off getting the 7800gs refurb for $200. Another $50 and you've got a wicked fast AGP card... actually the 2nd fastest available - considering the BLISS version by Gainward is faster - but only available in Europe.
 
My friend has an AGP system and is looking for an upgrade to his nVidia GeForce 4 ti-4400. Too bad the 7600GT can't be found around here. I guess the 7800 GS is his only option? :-/
 
Originally posted by: topslop1
You're better off getting the 7800gs refurb for $200. Another $50 and you've got a wicked fast AGP card... actually the 2nd fastest available - considering the BLISS version by Gainward is faster - but only available in Europe.
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The benchmarks say otherwise, that basically the 7600GT is roughly equal to the 7800GS in many situations.

 
I am in a similar boat as to what Robor relates about his friend. I have a Ti-4200 (AGP of course). I have been thinking recently of upgrading and have seen a few of the newer Nvidia cards being put out in the AGP form. Great...but why not upgrade the whole system and just PCI-E? Makes some sense.

I find it rather bothersome, though, that essentially of the reviews of any card only compares it to cards that have been available for the past 6 months to a year. It is extremely rare that anyone compares it to older cards. I, obviously, don't upgrade my system for a few years at a time. Without keeping track of the progression of video card performance in the intervening years myself, I don't have a very good idea of what kinds of performance increase these newer cards are going to get me. And with my budgetary concerns in mind (this also is why I only upgrade every few years) does it make more sense to go with a mid-range card or stick with the budget range?

I haven't had too much trouble with any games so far with my current card. I was playing the Dark Messiah demo and that did have troubles. I don't go out and buy all of the latest and greatest games very often. I tried the FEAR demo when that first came out and it also was slow at times, but turning things down made it still fairly playable. So I have to balance my play patterns with the purchase, too.

Ah! Just me whining! 🙂

-- J
 
Originally posted by: LucJoe
I probably should be posting questions like this in the General forum, but this thread seemed appropriate -

Here's my situation:

AMD Mobile Athlon XP-M 2400+ (35W) (Never overclocked, though I could probably get a lot more power out of it)
EpoX 8RDA+ (nforce2 board)
1 gig ram (2x512 for dual channel, crucial)
Radeon 9500 non-pro 128mb (bought in hopes of soft modding to 9800, no such luck)

My video card went bad today, displays nothing on bootup, fan doesn't turn on, etc. Pretty sure the rest of the computer works fine though, going to test with another spare card soon.


Anyway, my questions are: Will this card be too powerful for my system? Limited by the speed of the rest of the components? Will it be a noticeable upgrade from my Radeon 9500?

With my current setup I don't really feel the need for more processing power in the things I use it for, but a little more video card would be very nice, as I mainly use it for gaming.
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Holy crap man, except for the motherboard (I have an 8rda3+) and vidcard (I have evga geforce 6800gs unlocked)
I have the exact same setup, right down to the 35w 2400 barton mobile. Btw I do have mine overclocked, but am sitting at 2.4 ghz right now as the corsair valu ram is holding me back. with crucial you should easily see 2.6-2.8 ghz out of it, prime stable.

Oh and my system runs Q4 OK.. albeit with low settings. I will be building a new system in the very near future.
 
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