why is there not a lot of recommendation for the 5850?

[BlahBlahYouToo]

is it the price? expected price drop? availability? performance? value?

 

[crisium]

I see people recommending it. It has a better price-to-performance ratio than the 5870. Maybe because a lot of people here already have 4870/260 or 4890/275 and they are, especially the latter, decently close in performance to the 5850 anyway. For those enthusiasts, paying the extra for the 5870 is acceptable. Then I guess many others' budgets don't go at high as $259? But I guess availability is the real reason, though to be honest I see a lot of recommendations for them so I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[Xarick]

actually it is because you can't find them. They are impossible to get. It seems to me that any early launch advantage is going to be completely lost unless they get their stock up to snuff.

 

[MagickMan]

Originally posted by: Xarick
actually it is because you can't find them. They are impossible to get. It seems to me that any early launch advantage is going to be completely lost unless they get their stock up to snuff.

Amen, brotha.

 

[OVerLoRDI]

You can find them, you just aren't going to have it ship out that day. If you keep an eye out at the popular online stores you can find them.

 

[dmw16]

I have an order in at ZZF, but it's on backorder so who knows.

I guess if nVidia gets a product out that's better price-to-performance before it ships I'll cancel my order. Otherwise I'll wait.

 

[videogames101]

Been trying to find them in stock, it's tough.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

At $259, the 5850 is definitely the best value amongst all the 5000 series cards right now, especially considering the overclocking potential (the RAM is essentially identical to the 5870, just underclocked to 1000MHz from 1200MHz).

I think we're all expecting prices to drop once nVidia finally has some of their own parts available, however I wouldn't expect the 5850 to drop too far, its the 5870 that will probably drop the most given its vastly disproportionate $379 price tag, probably to the $300 level or so.

Originally posted by: Crisium
I see people recommending it. It has a better price-to-performance ratio than the 5870. Maybe because a lot of people here already have 4870/260 or 4890/275 and they are, especially the latter, decently close in performance to the 5850 anyway. For those enthusiasts, paying the extra for the 5870 is acceptable. Then I guess many others' budgets don't go at high as $259? But I guess availability is the real reason, though to be honest I see a lot of recommendations for them so I'm not sure what you mean.

Its gotta be availability more than anything, the 5850 trounces the 4890 and 275 (it even trounces the 285). If people aren't upgrading from such cards its because they're still happy with the performance they have and/or the fact that they just can't find a 5850 in stock.

 

[Xarick]

The price of 259 would indeed be a nice spot. But most places have bumped up to 290.

 

[BenSkywalker]

At $259, the 5850 is definitely the best value amongst all the 5000 series cards right now

I'd go farther then that, it is the best value gaming card period at the moment IMO. Two years from now, the 5850 is likely to still offer very strong performance and obviously full DX11 support for under $300. Nothing else on the market really seems to have that kind of potential currently.

Obviously availability is an issue. Realisticly speaking, this probably means ATi should have charged a larger premium until nV gets parts out(blasting nV for gouging customers is all well and good, but it is smart business and we all know ATi could use the money).

 

[Clinkster]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
is it the price? expected price drop? availability? performance? value?

The third one.

You can't find it anywhere, and it won't be in stock comfortably for a few more weeks.

 

[Nemesis13]

i just finished building 2 sister systems for a internet cafe with 2 of them in each comp crossfired and nasty is a understament. and with ati eyefinity these are the best card period although crossfire is not yet optimized. Alll in a HAF coolermaster wich is the best case i have ever touched. here are some pics

http://www.facebook.com/photo....b91d242a&id=1140080275
http://www.facebook.com/photo....76e4e83f&id=1140080275
http://www.facebook.com/photo....c85e5e3f&id=1140080275
http://www.facebook.com/photo....6b6402b0&id=1140080275

 

[JimmiG]

I for one don't like its price point. The 4800 series launched with the 4850 at $199 and the 4870 at $299. At the time, I could not justify spending $299 for the 4870, while the $199 price fit perfectly with my intended budget. If the 4870 had been $259 it would have been a much harder decision. What's worse, AMD doesn't even have a $199 card this time - it's either $260+ for really good performance, or $159 for for "meh" performance.

That's why I'm holding on to my 4850 until there's a card that does what it did - offer the performance of the top of the line card from the previous generation but with modern features, and for a price of $199 or less. That will either be a price-dropped 5850, or a "5830" that doesn't cut out so many features from the high-end cards.

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: Nemesis13
i just finished building 2 sister systems for a internet cafe with 2 of them in each comp crossfired and nasty is a understament. and with ati eyefinity these are the best card period although crossfire is not yet optimized. Alll in a HAF coolermaster wich is the best case i have ever touched. here are some pics

http://www.facebook.com/photo....b91d242a&id=1140080275
http://www.facebook.com/photo....76e4e83f&id=1140080275
http://www.facebook.com/photo....c85e5e3f&id=1140080275
http://www.facebook.com/photo....6b6402b0&id=1140080275

Nice! Very clean. :thumbsup:

I almost grabbed that case, length being a primary benefit. Look at all that room. Internet cafe should be very happy, solid build..

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: JimmiG
That's why I'm holding on to my 4850 until there's a card that does what it did - offer the performance of the top of the line card from the previous generation but with modern features, and for a price of $199 or less. That will either be a price-dropped 5850, or a "5830" that doesn't cut out so many features from the high-end cards.

I see a $199 5850 in your future..

 

[LCD123]

Originally posted by: Hauk

Originally posted by: JimmiG
That's why I'm holding on to my 4850 until there's a card that does what it did - offer the performance of the top of the line card from the previous generation but with modern features, and for a price of $199 or less. That will either be a price-dropped 5850, or a "5830" that doesn't cut out so many features from the high-end cards.

I see a $199 5850 in your future..

Me too, should be mid to late 2010 before he can grab one.

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: LCD123

Originally posted by: Hauk

Originally posted by: JimmiG
That's why I'm holding on to my 4850 until there's a card that does what it did - offer the performance of the top of the line card from the previous generation but with modern features, and for a price of $199 or less. That will either be a price-dropped 5850, or a "5830" that doesn't cut out so many features from the high-end cards.

I see a $199 5850 in your future..

Me too, should be mid to late 2010 before he can grab one.

Hopefully not!

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

At $259, the 5850 is definitely the best value amongst all the 5000 series cards right now

I'd go farther then that, it is the best value gaming card period at the moment IMO. Two years from now, the 5850 is likely to still offer very strong performance and obviously full DX11 support for under $300. Nothing else on the market really seems to have that kind of potential currently.

Obviously availability is an issue. Realisticly speaking, this probably means ATi should have charged a larger premium until nV gets parts out(blasting nV for gouging customers is all well and good, but it is smart business and we all know ATi could use the money).

I didn't go that far because similar price/performance (if not superior) can still be found with good deals on 4870s and GTX260s and what not, especially if one's budget strictly forbids anything above $200...

but yeah, I could see the 5850 being another 8800GT type of deal

 

[Nemesis13]

Hauk for the money i love the HAF Coolermaster case as u said the amount of room is unreal also has the best cable management ever, my previous case was a antec 900 i thought it was great, The HAF is silent by the looks of it u would not believe it but it is. Back to the 5850 right now the are hard to get a hold of when i ordered the 4 of the cards a tigerdirect employee called and told me it would be a week before they got them and could ship them. They also come with a copy of Dirt 2 (well a redemption code). I see the price dropping mid 2010, but i curious to see nvidias response to this card.

 

[nOOky]

Availability. I am considering one, but if they don't become available in quantity and in the model I want soon I'll go with something else. I also refuse to pay over the retail price. Otherwise it's a bette rvalue over the 5870 imho.

 

[exar333]

I see a $299 5850 in your future..

Corrected.

 

[Patrickz0rs]

They are never in stock and they are now $299. It was a stretch for me to include $259.99 in my budget, but since they are out of stock I am thinking of getting a 275gtx for $255 or a 4890 for $200.

 

[nOOky]

They are never in stock and they are now $299. It was a stretch for me to include $259.99 in my budget, but since they are out of stock I am thinking of getting a 275gtx for $255 or a 4890 for $200.

Me too. I'm ordering a 4890 for the time being. I don't see any DX11 titles that I must have in the near future. 5850's are hard to come by, I won't wait at a website with my mouse hovering over the refresh button. Also the price increase has me balking now anyway.
I usually upgrade every year, so it'll hold me until next year.

Many of us are spoiled by excellent performance in the $200 range, but pushing $300 for a gpu is simply too much. Looks like we need competition to help lower prices, nvidia where are you with the new stuff already?!
Like that will help...

 

[StinkyPinky]

The 5850 is starting to become a bit of a joke. It's nowhere. They're only hurting themselves, as I'll now just wait and see what Fermi offers.

 

[s44]

You can't get it, they jacked up the price, and no game needs that much power now anyway.