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Why is the whining about racism so high this season....

mooseracing

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Why are people that don't want to vote for Obama being labeled racist? It seems this country wants to be "p.c.", whatever that means anymore. yet the people that cry racism can be racist without penalty.

How fucking stupid are the people in this country that a hotel puts up a McCain/Palin sign and the NAACP is called multiple times on the Hotel.

I find the monkey depiction of Obama funny as well, the face with big ears, but I suppose I'm racist then? Yet I didn't cry and call the Cracker Association when there was all the monkey renditions of GWB. I just don't get why every reference has to be racist, ie the word black.

 

techs

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Well, yes there are people who will knee jerk and say everything is racist. However, the McCain campaign has used everything short of the N word to make sure everyone knows Obama doesn't look like us.
 

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because the Obama camp has systematically painted those who oppose it as racists, starting with Bill Clinton?
 

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People who don't want to vote for Obama aren't being labeled as racist. People who agree with Obama's policies but don't want to vote for him because he's black, and make up reasons like "he's unknown", are being rightfully labeled as racist.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: mooseracing
Why are people that don't want to vote for Obama being labeled racist? It seems this country wants to be "p.c.", whatever that means anymore. yet the people that cry racism can be racist without penalty.
To the extent this happens it's wrong. But when a GOP group sends out a mailer with obama, watermelon, fried chicken and ribs, they need to be called on it.

How fucking stupid are the people in this country that a hotel puts up a McCain/Palin sign and the NAACP is called multiple times on the Hotel.
The NAACP was called not because the hotel was being "racist" but because they are the default community organizers for blacks, and the community there was 77% black, and figured they could get the group to organize against the hotel. "Race" was involved, no one was claiming "racism" was involved, and you are conflating them.

I find the monkey depiction of Obama funny as well, the face with big ears, but I suppose I'm racist then? Yet I didn't cry and call the Cracker Association when there was all the monkey renditions of GWB. I just don't get why every reference has to be racist, ie the word black.
If you don't recognize the historical association and racial stereotypes in America with regard to comparing blacks to monkeys, as has been discussed on this board multiple times, then I'm not sure that one more discussion will be able to convince you that such comparisons are inappropriate, just like because of the propaganda campaign the nazis ran in Germany, one would not compare jews to rats today.
 

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Originally posted by: techs
Well, yes there are people who will knee jerk and say everything is racist. However, the McCain campaign has used everything short of the N word to make sure everyone knows Obama doesn't look like us.
I thought BHO gave a speech in which he pointed out that he didn't look like us.
 

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Originally posted by: loki8481
because the Obama camp has systematically painted those who oppose it as racists, starting with Bill Clinton?
You hit that one. The Clinton's support of Obama has been tepid at best. They are doing the minimum, but fo rsomeone as popular as Bill and Hillary, they should be out front much more.

Obama et al have been very good about calling "racist" any negative comments about Obama.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: techs
Well, yes there are people who will knee jerk and say everything is racist. However, the McCain campaign has used everything short of the N word to make sure everyone knows Obama doesn't look like us.
Care to provide an example.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Topic: Why is the whining about racism so high this season....

Obama Food Stamps ?
I think most people would agree that those food stamps was the dumbest thing ever.

But trying to paint the entire party as racist over that would be like trying to call the entire Democratic Party marxists due to this Che flag.

An idiot Republican make a bad joke or an Obama campaign office with a Cuban flag on the wall, what is worse?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: mooseracing
Why are people that don't want to vote for Obama being labeled racist?
Proof? The only people I hear saying this are Republicans.

Granted, there are a number of people who are not voting for Obama because they really are racists, like in this video, but calling them racists is just calling a spade a spade (no pun intended).

There's stupid irrational people on both sides. I think we all know that. Generalizing the stupid on one side as being representative of that entire side while ignoring the stupid on the other side is a bit dishonest IMO.
 

ProfJohn

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Excellent article by Charles Krauthammer on that whole race thing.

It is really sad that race has be come such a big issue in this election.
The bolded part is key. Obama is out there claiming racism, but turns around and admits that he can't provide any examples of McCain or Palin making racist statements.
WASHINGTON -- Let me get this straight. A couple of agitated yahoos in a rally of thousands yell something offensive and incendiary, and John McCain and Sarah Palin are not just guilty by association -- with total strangers, mind you -- but worse: guilty according to The New York Times of "race-baiting and xenophobia."

But should you bring up Barack Obama's real associations -- 20 years with Jeremiah Wright, working on two foundations and distributing money with William Ayers, citing the raving Michael Pfleger as one who helps him keep his moral compass (Chicago Sun-Times, April 2004) and the long-standing relationship with the left-wing vote-fraud specialist ACORN -- you have crossed the line into illegitimate guilt by association. Moreover, it is tinged with racism.

The fact that, when John McCain actually heard one of those nasty things said about Obama, he incurred the boos of his own crowd by insisting that Obama is "a decent person that you do not have to be scared (of) as president" makes no difference. It surely did not stop John Lewis from comparing McCain to George Wallace.

The search for McCain's racial offenses is untiring and often unhinged. Remember McCain's Berlin/celebrity ad that showed a shot of Paris Hilton? An appalling attempt to exploit white hostility at the idea of black men "becoming sexually involved with white women," fulminated New York Times columnist Bob Herbert. He took to TV to denounce McCain's exhumation of that most vile prejudice, pointing out McCain's gratuitous insertion in the ad of "two phallic symbols," the Washington Monument and the Leaning Tower of Pisa.

Except that Herbert was entirely delusional. There was no Washington Monument. There was no Leaning Tower. Just photographs seen in every newspaper in the world of Barack Obama's Berlin rally in the setting he himself had chosen, Berlin's Victory Column.

Herbert is not the only fevered one. On Tuesday night, Rachel Maddow of MSNBC and Jonathan Alter of Newsweek fell over themselves agreeing that the "political salience" of the Republican attack on ACORN is, yes, its unstated appeal to racial prejudice.

This about an organization that is being accused of voter registration fraud in about a dozen states. In Nevada, the investigating secretary of state is a Democrat. Is he playing the race card too?

What makes the charges against McCain especially revolting is that he has been scrupulous in eschewing the race card. He has gone far beyond what is right and necessary, refusing even to make an issue of Obama's deep, self-declared connection with the race-baiting Jeremiah Wright.

In the name of racial rectitude, McCain has denied himself the use of that perfectly legitimate issue. It is simply Orwellian for him to be now so widely vilified as a stoker of racism. What makes it doubly Orwellian is that these charges are being made on behalf of the one presidential candidate who has repeatedly, and indeed quite brilliantly, deployed the race card.

How brilliantly? The reason Bill Clinton is sulking in his tent is because he feels that Obama surrogates succeeded in painting him as a racist. Clinton has many sins, but from his student days to his post-presidency, his commitment and sincerity in advancing the cause of African-Americans have been undeniable. If the man Toni Morrison called the first black president can be turned into a closet racist, then anyone can.

And Obama has shown no hesitation in doing so to McCain. Just weeks ago, in Springfield, Mo., and elsewhere, he warned darkly that George Bush and John McCain were going to try to frighten you by saying that, among other scary things, Obama has "a funny name" and "doesn't look like all those other presidents on those dollar bills."

McCain has never said that, nor anything like that. When asked at the time to produce one instance of McCain deploying race, the Obama campaign could not. Yet here was Obama firing a pre-emptive charge of racism against a man who had not indulged in it.
An extraordinary rhetorical feat, and a dishonorable one.

What makes this all the more dismaying is that it comes from Barack Obama, who has consistently presented himself as a healer, a man of a new generation above and beyond race, the man who would turn the page on the guilt-tripping grievance politics of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

I once believed him.
 

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Originally posted by: mooseracing
Why are people that don't want to vote for Obama being labeled racist? It seems this country wants to be "p.c.", whatever that means anymore. yet the people that cry racism can be racist without penalty.

How fucking stupid are the people in this country that a hotel puts up a McCain/Palin sign and the NAACP is called multiple times on the Hotel.

I find the monkey depiction of Obama funny as well, the face with big ears, but I suppose I'm racist then? Yet I didn't cry and call the Cracker Association when there was all the monkey renditions of GWB. I just don't get why every reference has to be racist, ie the word black.
I wouldn't go as far as saying that ALL people who don't want to vote for Obama are labeled racist, far from it. I think the majority of people who are voting against Obama are doing so for policy reasons, not racial reasons. That being said, I don't think you can deny there is a contingent of people who are indeed voting against Obama due to his race (or the false belief that he's muslim), just search around on You Tube, plenty of examples.

I think part of the problem, as mentioned above, is the knee jerk reaction many take to anything that one might find offensive, even if no one in their right mind would find it offensive in 1000 years. Its almost the boy who cried wolf, where there are so many cries of racism over trivial things that the real incidents of racism get ignored.

The post you linked to is a good example, I agree, stupid. Racist to hang a sign? Hardly.

However, I don't think you can ignore some of the comments that have been made at recent rallys. Chants like 'Off with his head', 'Kill Him', and 'Terrorist' bring up the deep seeded anger towards Obama that some feel and many interpret that as Racism. Is it? I don't know. Some of the clips i've seen on the You Tube videos from rallys are disgusting.

I think its a small contingent that is indeed racist, but a contingent nevertheless.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Excellent article by Charles Krauthammer on that whole race thing.

It is really sad that race has be come such a big issue in this election.
The bolded part is key. Obama is out there claiming racism, but turns around and admits that he can't provide any examples of McCain or Palin making racist statements.
And Obama has shown no hesitation in doing so to McCain. Just weeks ago, in Springfield, Mo., and elsewhere, he warned darkly that George Bush and John McCain were going to try to frighten you by saying that, among other scary things, Obama has "a funny name" and "doesn't look like all those other presidents on those dollar bills."

McCain has never said that, nor anything like that. When asked at the time to produce one instance of McCain deploying race, the Obama campaign could not. Yet here was Obama firing a pre-emptive charge of racism against a man who had not indulged in it.
An extraordinary rhetorical feat, and a dishonorable one.
Obama said "they" meaning the GOP. And I can point to 5 instances on the front page of P&N where McCain campaign offices have tried to make race an issue, or attempt to "otherize" him. No, McCain cannot control every single supporter across the country, but those are the people and the tactics that Obama was talking about. Obama didn't think McCain was going to stand on a platform and say "Hey, you know you can't for for the negro right?"

McCain/Palin HAVE tried to paint Obama as different, strange, dangerous, link him to terrorists, etc. This is what Obama was talking about. And he was dead on.

Krauthammer's a dunce. "We asked Obama to tell us an instance where McCain brought up race". Did he even read his own previous paragraph? Maybe he should have asked the Obama campaign instances where McCain/Palin tried to "frighten" people into not voting for him.
 

AstroManLuca

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Topic: Why is the whining about racism so high this season....

Obama Food Stamps ?
I think most people would agree that those food stamps was the dumbest thing ever.

But trying to paint the entire party as racist over that would be like trying to call the entire Democratic Party marxists due to this Che flag.

And idiot Republican make a bad joke or an Obama campaign office with a Cuban flag on the wall, what is worse?
For once I completely agree with you ProfJohn.

Regardless of people's differences in what they believe our policies should be, I think it's horrible that some people have taken these campaigns so seriously that they've resorted to vandalism, racism, threats, and crime. To me, it doesn't say anything about the parties, but rather about how stupid and ignorant people can be.
 

Vic

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Strange then, PJ, that that is exactly what the McCain campaign has done, eh?
 

HomerJS

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Topic: Why is the whining about racism so high this season....

Obama Food Stamps ?
I think most people would agree that those food stamps was the dumbest thing ever.

But trying to paint the entire party as racist over that would be like trying to call the entire Democratic Party marxists due to this Che flag.

And idiot Republican make a bad joke or an Obama campaign office with a Cuban flag on the wall, what is worse?
When you find any Democratic organization saying "don't elect that old cracker" or calling him "whitey" then you'll have a point.

The racism is only coming from one group in this race and its the GOP.

BTW - Why aren't we finding any Dems threating the life of McCain?
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: mooseracing

Topic Title: Why is the whining about racism so high this season....
Hmm... I wonder... Could it be McCain/Palin supporters like these??? :shocked:

"If he wins, the blacks will take over."

"He's not a christian. This is a christian nation. What is our country gonna end up like?"

"He's related to a known terrorist for one."

"Obama and his wife - I'm concerned that they could be anti-white, and he might hide that."

"I don't like the fact that he thinks us white people are trash... Because we're not."
 

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Originally posted by: mooseracing
Why are people that don't want to vote for Obama being labeled racist?
Perhaps some browsing of the internet/news/current events would show you there is more than enough overt racism going on in the past few weeks caught right on video tape to quell your concerns that those not voting for Obama are the ones being labled racist.
 

HomerJS

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Originally posted by: mooseracing
Why are people that don't want to vote for Obama being labeled racist? It seems this country wants to be "p.c.", whatever that means anymore. yet the people that cry racism can be racist without penalty.

How fucking stupid are the people in this country that a hotel puts up a McCain/Palin sign and the NAACP is called multiple times on the Hotel.

I find the monkey depiction of Obama funny as well, the face with big ears, but I suppose I'm racist then? Yet I didn't cry and call the Cracker Association when there was all the monkey renditions of GWB. I just don't get why every reference has to be racist, ie the word black.
That fact that you label this as "whining about racism" says like Palin you need to go back and read some books on history in this country and maybe you'll get some perspective.

 

Red Dawn

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Because race is the sole reason for some voting for one candidate over the other.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: HomerJS
Why aren't we finding any Dems threating the life of McCain?
the DNC has been running this entire campaign on the assumption that John McCain isn't going to survive 5 minutes inside the white house before dying.
 

HomerJS

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: HomerJS
Why aren't we finding any Dems threating the life of McCain?
the DNC has been running this entire campaign on the assumption that John McCain isn't going to survive 5 minutes inside the white house before dying.
Find just one Dem who is willing to help that process along.
 

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Originally posted by: loki8481

the DNC has been running this entire campaign on the assumption that John McCain isn't going to survive 5 minutes inside the white house before dying.
That may be a reasonable strategy with Sarah, the lipstick dipstick as the designated hitter.

Statistically, McCain's chances of surviving a first Presidential term is much lower than those of a younger man without four previous bouts with melanoma, and that's before taking the stress of the job into account.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: HomerJS
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: HomerJS
Why aren't we finding any Dems threating the life of McCain?
the DNC has been running this entire campaign on the assumption that John McCain isn't going to survive 5 minutes inside the white house before dying.
Find just one Dem who is willing to help that process along.
what, it's my fault democrats are pussies and willing to trade their guns for abortions? :p
 

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