She netted 10 out of Ohio. He netted 6 out of Vermont. She's looking to net 2-3 out of RI and less than 10 out of Texas. Shes looking to net less than 20 from yesterday.
Obama netted 25 from VA, 28 from Washington(state), etc. Its a win, but it really doesnt change anything.
They don't call it Clinton News Network for nothing :laugh:
Blitzer was quite obviously overjoyed last night to announce Hillary had broken her 12-state losing streak. I think he could barely contain himself...
This stuff about her winning big states and that somehow being important is bullshit.
I think everyone can agree that a Democrat-only primary favors Clinton, right?
Ok. So that means Clinton has an edge among Democrats while Obama wins the Republicans and Independents.
So you go to a state like Ohio and Clinton cleans up with the Democrats while Obama makes up ground with Republicans and Independents.
Against John McCain, what happens? Which voters are likely to stay loyal? Are the Republicans and Independents more likely to move to Clinton, or are the hardcore Democrats more likely to back Obama in the general? It seems Clinton wins the gimmie voters while Obama actually picks up votes that McCain would need to win.
Any state that has a closed primary is not at all indicative of the general election.
I think everyone can agree that a Democrat-only primary favors Clinton, right?
Ok. So that means Clinton has an edge among Democrats while Obama wins the Republicans and Independents.
So you go to a state like Ohio and Clinton cleans up with the Democrats while Obama makes up ground with Republicans and Independents.
Against John McCain, what happens? Which voters are likely to stay loyal? Are the Republicans and Independents more likely to move to Clinton, or are the hardcore Democrats more likely to back Obama in the general? It seems Clinton wins the gimmie voters while Obama actually picks up votes that McCain would need to win.
Any state that has a closed primary is not at all indicative of the general election.
Link? On what grounds? I admit it is unfair to her, but those are the rules that were in place beforehand and I don't see how she has an argument.
She didn't win Michigan or Florida. No (D) won either of them so please stop saying and implying it.
Projections are coming in. Obama looks to net 4-7 Delegates out of Texas.
Clinton nets 10 in Ohio and net 4 in RI. That is 14.
Obama nets 3 in Vermont and 7 in TX. That is 10.
Clinton +4 for the night.
Clinton nets 10 in Ohio and net 4 in RI. That is 14.
Obama nets 3 in Vermont and 7 in TX. That is 10.
Clinton +4 for the night.
Its being reported on Fox and MSNBC.
They are making the same claims as they did in Nevada and other caucus states. Voter intemidation. They are also making the claim some "obama supporters" got Caucus Rules Packets "early." Basically Dem Party chairs werent prepared to handle the number of caucus goers so there were mobs and mobs of people, mostly for Obama. Clinton is spinning this as voter intemidation.
IMHO, shes contesting it because projections have Obama netting delegates out of TX thanks to the caucus.
Sounds like a weak argument, will probably fall on deaf ears.
I heard a story once about a guy who tried to repel off of El Capitan in Yosemite. His gear failed and he ended up falling to his death, when they found him his hands had rope burn down to the bone. Sorry for the gruesome image but I'm reminded of this thinking of the Clinton campaign.
I heard a story once about a guy who tried to repel off of El Capitan in Yosemite. His gear failed and he ended up falling to his death, when they found him his hands had rope burn down to the bone. Sorry for the gruesome image but I'm reminded of this thinking of the Clinton campaign.
generalizations are fun.
why do I start getting to talk about Obama voters as all being nancyboy ivory tower liberals who wouldn't know a blue collar worker if they hit them upside the head with a shovel and don't know the difference between a battlefield and the back of their mom's skirt?
for what it's worth, I do remember hearing real people (which is to say, people off the street, not in the employ of either campaign) writing in to Fox News to talk about poll workers telling people that there was no second vote or that they didn't need to come back later that night.
She looks to net 4-10 for the night. RI still has one to be allocated. Ohio still has 3 to be allocated. TX is still trying to determine if the primary was a 65-61 split or as 64-62 split. Some county totals are currently conflicting with the numbers the TX SoS is reporting. Either way, if she nets 4 or 2 from the Primary. Obama is still netting from the Caucus. Obama will net 5-7 from Texas.
Originally posted by: loki8481
generalizations are fun.
why do I start getting to talk about Obama voters as all being nancyboy ivory tower liberals who wouldn't know a blue collar worker if they hit them upside the head with a shovel and don't know the difference between a battlefield and the back of their mom's skirt?
Save that for another thread. Back on topic...
Texas just shows how skewed the caucus system is in all of these states. You take the same group of potential voters, in the TX primary they vote for Clinton by 3%, while caucas results are showing Obama winning by 12%.
Sure, Obama has more zealous supporters who are willing to put up with the oddities of the caucus system. As you can see from Texas though, it is NOT representative of the gerneral populace of voters. It's a shame really that the election system in this country is so F*D up.
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Is that wrong?
I heard one of the cable news networks describe the TX caucus like that. They said you could just drop by and complete a paper ballot and leave. No reason to hang around etc.
At the time, I thought "geez, the Dems are starting to use the repub-type caucus rules"
Otherwise, sounds like the Hillary side didn't organize well. From what I hear knowing the Dem (usually) complex is important. That's why organization is so important.
Fern
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I caucused in Texas. Because of the lack of voting machines/sloww voters, voting went on until 9pm, so the hundreds of us had to wait out in the cold. A lot of people probably left, especially since they had their kids with them, and today the TAKS test took place. One little boy was complaining because he didn't think he'd get a good night's sleep.
All that just to write your name and candidate on a sheet of paper. I know it's going to help Obama but it really is a farce. The results for each precinct are transferred by delegate to some kind of senate meeting. If the delegates don't show up later this month, they don't count. It makes absolutely no sense. Do we not have an internet, or hell, A MAIL SYSTEM in this country?
All that just to write your name and candidate on a sheet of paper. I know it's going to help Obama but it really is a farce. The results for each precinct are transferred by delegate to some kind of senate meeting. If the delegates don't show up later this month, they don't count. It makes absolutely no sense. Do we not have an internet, or hell, A MAIL SYSTEM in this country?
bamacre
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Just saw this on TV as I was flippin' the channels...
http://www.majortoker.com/images/hillary_won.jpg
:roll:
http://www.majortoker.com/images/hillary_won.jpg
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