Why is the Holocaust so "special"?

[envy me]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Adonix

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Adonix
It was clear attempt to destroy entire population of communist part of vietnam, including woman, children, and anything else on their side...

Not only do you not know a damn bit of vocabulary you don't know a damn bit about history, nor do you have any deductive skills to acknowledge that.

Knowledge of history depends on source, and i can see your sole source is Fox News...

The wars you mentioned were brutal, no doubt, but hardly comparable to the systematic extermination of entires groups of people, ethnic, religious and so on.

Irrelavent. Death is death, murder is murder. A jew's life is no more important than a christan or arab's life. Justifying so makes you a racist.

And also it does not matter if 6000 people or 6 million people were killed. It would not make a single difference to ANYBODY unless one of those killed was a close family member or friend.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Adonix

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Adonix
It was clear attempt to destroy entire population of communist part of vietnam, including woman, children, and anything else on their side...

Not only do you not know a damn bit of vocabulary you don't know a damn bit about history, nor do you have any deductive skills to acknowledge that.

Knowledge of history depends on source, and i can see your sole source is Fox News...

The wars you mentioned were brutal, no doubt, but hardly comparable to the systematic extermination of entires groups of people, ethnic, religious and so on.

Irrelavent. Death is death, murder is murder. A jew's life is no more important than a christan or arab's life. Justifying so makes you a racist.

And also it does not matter if 6000 people or 6 million people were killed. It would not make a single difference to ANYBODY unless one of those killed was a close family member or friend.

It isn't irrelevant, it's the part that makes the most sense. I'm not valuing one life over another, but why genocides and mass killings are more important than some bombing or other thing that commonly occur during war. If you read my posts, you would see I'm not trying to emphasize any act genocide or mass killing over another.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Adonix

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Adonix
It was clear attempt to destroy entire population of communist part of vietnam, including woman, children, and anything else on their side...

Not only do you not know a damn bit of vocabulary you don't know a damn bit about history, nor do you have any deductive skills to acknowledge that.

Knowledge of history depends on source, and i can see your sole source is Fox News...

The wars you mentioned were brutal, no doubt, but hardly comparable to the systematic extermination of entires groups of people, ethnic, religious and so on.

Irrelavent. Death is death, murder is murder. A jew's life is no more important than a christan or arab's life. Justifying so makes you a racist.

And also it does not matter if 6000 people or 6 million people were killed. It would not make a single difference to ANYBODY unless one of those killed was a close family member or friend.

It isn't irrelevant, it's the part that makes the most sense. I'm not valuing one life over another, but why genocides and mass killings are more important than some bombing or other thing that commonly occur during war. If you read my posts, you would see I'm not trying to emphasize any act genocide or mass killing over another.

So would you rather have one loved one die in a bombing, or 1000 strangers die in a genocide?


Obviously the one that affected you personally is more important.

 

[Sixtyfour]

Originally posted by: glenn1

If anything, it's more horrifying than those (or even typical ethnic cleansings going on now in places like Rwanda, etc) because it was so completely pointless.

Pointless?

Jews were controlling politics and financing in germany and jews were exploiting Germans..
So was it really "pointless" to hate jews?

But killing all jews as a solution is not acceptable.

ps. jews are still afraid because nazis had a valid point against them and jewish "elite" is still doing same stuff (together with vatican and other filthy rich religions).

 

[smack Down]

We stopped it, unlike most other mass murders so if we see it a the worses it makes it more ok to not stop the other ones and also Jews are seen as more "important" than blacks dieing in africia.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
The Holocaust gets special mention because it was genocide. It was aimed at particular "races" of people (Jews, Gypsies). Attempts to exterminate groups of people labeled as inferior is considered particularly heinous.

I have always found it interesting that Hitler and his henchmen could stand before crowds of thousands and extoll the superiority of the Arian Race. You know, the short guy with dark hair and eyes, the fat dopehead, the guy with coke bottle-bottom glasses, etc..

mentally ill, disabled, gays, jehovah's witnesses....etc.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour
Pointless?

Jews were controlling politics and financing in germany and jews were exploiting Germans..
So was it really "pointless" to hate jews?

But killing all jews as a solution is not acceptable.

ps. jews are still afraid because nazis had a valid point against them and jewish "elite" is still doing same stuff (together with vatican and other filthy rich religions).

Really, you piece of sh!t? If Jews were controlling everything, you'd be dead right now you worthless motherfuucker.

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour

Originally posted by: glenn1

If anything, it's more horrifying than those (or even typical ethnic cleansings going on now in places like Rwanda, etc) because it was so completely pointless.

Pointless?

Jews were controlling politics and financing in germany and jews were exploiting Germans..
So was it really "pointless" to hate jews?

But killing all jews as a solution is not acceptable.

ps. jews are still afraid because nazis had a valid point against them and jewish "elite" is still doing same stuff (together with vatican and other filthy rich religions).

The anti-semitism is strong with this one :thumbsdown:

 

[Orignal Earl]

Would it be safe to say then, that the closest thing to the Holocaust would be the attempted genocide of the American Natives?

371 treaties were made by the US government with Native Americans. The United States govenment violated 370 of those treaties, to date. Over 250 years, 160 million Native Americans have been killed by the US government.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour
Pointless?

Jews were controlling politics and financing in germany and jews were exploiting Germans..
So was it really "pointless" to hate jews?

But killing all jews as a solution is not acceptable.

ps. jews are still afraid because nazis had a valid point against them and jewish "elite" is still doing same stuff (together with vatican and other filthy rich religions).

Really, you piece of sh!t? If Jews were controlling everything, you'd be dead right now you worthless motherfuucker.

Can't handle the realness??

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Would it be safe to say then, that the closest thing to the Holocaust would be the attempted genocide of the American Natives?

371 treaties were made by the US government with Native Americans. The United States govenment violated 370 of those treaties, to date. Over 250 years, 160 million Native Americans have been killed by the US government.

I think it's a fairly strong parallel, yes... just without the industrialization of the process. The Rwandan massacre also rates pretty high up there. And who can forget the slaughter of a million Armenians by the invading turks!

Such massacres have been attempted before in history. In that the Holocaust is not unique. But the scale of such an endeavor, and the number of victims are unprecedented, and so is the exquisite organization of the process. That's why it serves as an example - because it was the quintessense of hatred superimposed on the efficiency of the modern world.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour
Pointless?

Jews were controlling politics and financing in germany and jews were exploiting Germans..
So was it really "pointless" to hate jews?

But killing all jews as a solution is not acceptable.

ps. jews are still afraid because nazis had a valid point against them and jewish "elite" is still doing same stuff (together with vatican and other filthy rich religions).

Really, you piece of sh!t? If Jews were controlling everything, you'd be dead right now you worthless motherfuucker.

Can't handle the realness??

There is no realness in Sixtyfour's post though, only a bunch of anti-semetic drivel.

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour
Pointless?

Jews were controlling politics and financing in germany and jews were exploiting Germans..
So was it really "pointless" to hate jews?

But killing all jews as a solution is not acceptable.

ps. jews are still afraid because nazis had a valid point against them and jewish "elite" is still doing same stuff (together with vatican and other filthy rich religions).

Really, you piece of sh!t? If Jews were controlling everything, you'd be dead right now you worthless motherfuucker.

Can't handle the realness??

There is no realness in Sixtyfour's post though, only a bunch of anti-semetic drivel.

QFT

 

[Starbuck1975]

No rational person can justify the Holocaust, or deny that it occurred. My only real issue with the whole Holocaust discussion is that the only thing particularly unique about it, as others have mentioned, is the machine like efficiency in which the Nazis carried out their "final solution." How could an enlightened and educated society allow such an atrocity to occur. However, genocide has occurred, and continues to occur, on various scales and across numerous cultures.

The lessons learned from the Holocaust apparently did not sink in, even for Europe, as we witnessed genocide in the Balkans throughout the 1990s...the Serbs were equally meticulous in their mass killing techniques, and like the Nazis, fueled or otherwise justified in the name of nationalism and religion...genocide is currently happening in Africa.

Stalin's purge of the Soviet Union was certainly no better then its Nazi counterpart...what America did to the native Indians in the name of Manifest Destiny was no less of an atrocity...the Spanish certainly purged many ancient and rich cultures to satisfy there thirst for gold.

I don't think it takes away from the suffering of the Jews under Hitler to recognize that other "undesireables" met a similar fate in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany, or to recognize that other cultures, ethnicities and groups have similarly suffered under other acts of genocide.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
No rational person can justify the Holocaust, or deny that it occurred. My only real issue with the whole Holocaust discussion is that the only thing particularly unique about it, as others have mentioned, is the machine like efficiency in which the Nazis carried out their "final solution." How could an enlightened and educated society allow such an atrocity to occur. However, genocide has occurred, and continues to occur, on various scales and across numerous cultures.

I think the other 'unique' thing about it, was it was the first time it was really reported into the worldwide news. Many people found out about it. If you compare that to prior genocides, at best you would have rumors that they occured (like the armenian genocide) but not worldwide public knowledge of the event.

 

[cwgannon]

Originally posted by: techs
It seems all the rage lately to deny the Holocaust occured.
With mans inhumanity giving us other great losses of life why should the Holocaust be considered as unique or more important than any other?
After all didn't Stalins policies kill more millions in the Soviet Union?
The uniqueness of the Holocaust lies in its particular circumstances.
To begin with the Holocaust occured in the country that many considered to be the most enlightened and certainly the best educated in the world. Despite the German economy and national instability post WW1 they had almost universal literacy. Their universities were world leaders. In fact modern physics was essentially developed in Germany in the 1920's.
Germany was also the most egalitarian country in Europe, which in the 1930's was considered the center of civilization. In Germany Jews could hold civil service jobs, something they could do almost no place else. They could be university professors in great numbers.
So the first unique feature of the Holocaust is it happened in perhaps the most "advanced and enlightened" country in the world. And it happened to a group of people who had been discriminated against greatly in almost every other country but not in Germany.
Another unique feature of the Holocaust was the application of industrial technology to murder. This was no vodka induced pogrom. This was a 9-5 job of machine murder. And the people carrying it out did so with few reservations. The lesson of how easy it was to get good people to murder there neighbors is a unique lesson of the Holocaust.
The Holocaust also showed us how a group of people could be singled out with no proof nor evidence that they endangered society and that a majority of people could be convinced they were dangerous and then convinced they were subhuman.
It is these special circumstances that make the Holocaust unique. Not the number of people killed, not that the largest single group were Jews, it was that the most enlightened country could relatively easily turn to murdering monsters.
And that is why we should all remember that the Holocaust was not something that happened once a long time ago but that in Man there is a darkness that must be prevented from seeing the light of day, at all costs.
Just my 2 cents.

Well, it's pretty amazing how you fail to miss what is the most important reason that Hitler rose to power: his programs and their successes in restoring to Germany its economical power and its respect from the rest of the world.

When you consider that, no, it's really not all that amazing that a people so rescued from stricken poverty, inflation in the trillions, and the harsh restrictions set on them by the Treaty of Versailles could be far too strongly influenced by a man that restored their dignity and, quite literally, saved their very lives.

But good post all the same. To somebody who has never taken a history class (or paid attention in one, at least), it would pass for fact quite easily, I'm sure.

 

[raildogg]

Special? There is nothing special about genocide. We should have learned a lesson from WW2, but apparently, thats not the case. Around 100 million people died during that war and genocides continue to happen. Some are slower than others. We forget that the current Nazis are the Nazis with headscarves and beards. They are our enemy as the Nazis and the Japanese were. But too bad they don't have a country that we can attack.

Yes, we do forget Russia's atrocities. We have forgotten the attempted genocide in Chechnya. Although that gives the muslim terrorists from there no right to kill innocents. Russia continues to do what it has always done, which is to brutalize populations. Now we have Putin to cover it up in a neat way.

Lets not forget the genocide of about a million Armenians by the Turks. I think this is one of the most overlooked chapters in recent history.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Special? There is nothing special about genocide. We should have learned a lesson from WW2, but apparently, thats not the case. Around 100 million people died during that war and genocides continue to happen. Some are slower than others. We forget that the current Nazis are the Nazis with headscarves and beards. They are our enemy as the Nazis and the Japanese were. But too bad they don't have a country that we can attack.

Yes, we do forget Russia's atrocities. We have forgotten the attempted genocide in Chechnya. Although that gives the muslim terrorists from there no right to kill innocents. Russia continues to do what it has always done, which is to brutalize populations. Now we have Putin to cover it up in a neat way.

Lets not forget the genocide of about a million Armenians by the Turks. I think this is one of the most overlooked chapters in recent history.

I wont lie, I know almost nothing about what happened. I'm looking it up right now.