Why is the 7800 GTs more EXPENSIVE now?

kwaichangkang

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With the 7900 series GPUs out, I thought that finally the price would drop on a 7800 GT enough for me to upgrade to SLI. But hell no, I checked the RTPE today and got some sticker shock with my Red Bull.

http://labs.anandtech.com/alllinks.php?pfilter=3211

The price for a vanilla EVGA 7800 GT has gone up at least $23 and the most an unbelievable $71!!!

What's up with that?
 

Zap

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That's probably just to take advantage of people wanting to do what you wanted, to keep old stuff and run SLI. AGP people are also feeling your pain.

 

coldpower27

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The 7800 GT is still more expensive to produce then the G71 derivatives and with production terminated, then the ramining supply will go up in price as there is still demand for it. It's simple.
 

kwaichangkang

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Originally posted by: coldpower27
The 7800 GT is still more expensive to produce then the G71 derivatives and with production terminated, then the ramining supply will go up in price as there is still demand for it. It's simple.


You have a good point. I was hoping that retailers would discount their remaing stock of 7800s to move them. But video cards are not new cars lol, and "LAST YEARS MODELS HAVE GOT TO GO!!!!" sales technique doesn't apply.

*sigh* Looks like I have to either wait it out some more or pounce on a deal from a private party somewhere(Fro Sale forums or ***shudder*** eBay)
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Supply and demand...

No one wants a 7800GT...... prices should therefore go DOWN.

Same thing happened with people wanting to do 6800GT/ULTRA SLI. SLI only makes sense for ultra high end it seems, not a middle of the road upgrade. Nvidia probably cuts all production on the old models in favor of the new, this lowers supply. Since there's a lot of people looking for a mate for their card to SLI with this increases demand more then usual for older parts. Which leaves us where we are now.

 

Extelleron

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Supply and demand...

No one wants a 7800GT...... prices should therefore go DOWN.

Same thing happened with people wanting to do 6800GT/ULTRA SLI. SLI only makes sense for ultra high end it seems, not a middle of the road upgrade. Nvidia probably cuts all production on the old models in favor of the new, this lowers supply. Since there's a lot of people looking for a mate for their card to SLI with this increases demand more then usual for older parts. Which leaves us where we are now.

Regardless, it's insane you can get an X1800XT for far less $$$ than a 7800GT.

 

Munky

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The 7800gt's are no longer in production, hence the laws of common sence and bang/buck do not apply to them. The same thing happened last gen with the 6800gt's. I have a feeling the same thing will happen next gen to the 7900gt's as well. If you want SLI, grab a pair of cards before newer cards are released.
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Supply and demand...

No one wants a 7800GT...... prices should therefore go DOWN.

Same thing happened with people wanting to do 6800GT/ULTRA SLI. SLI only makes sense for ultra high end it seems, not a middle of the road upgrade. Nvidia probably cuts all production on the old models in favor of the new, this lowers supply. Since there's a lot of people looking for a mate for their card to SLI with this increases demand more then usual for older parts. Which leaves us where we are now.

Regardless, it's insane you can get an X1800XT for far less $$$ than a 7800GT.

Whats more insane is that people will still buy the 7800GT instead.
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: munky
If you want SLI, grab a pair of cards before newer cards are released.

Yup, remember right before the 7900 series came out, Monarch initiated a price war by selling some 7800GT cards for as low as $240?
 

kwaichangkang

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No one wants a 7800GT...... prices should therefore go DOWN.[/quote]

Same thing happened with people wanting to do 6800GT/ULTRA SLI. SLI only makes sense for ultra high end it seems, not a middle of the road upgrade. Nvidia probably cuts all production on the old models in favor of the new, this lowers supply. Since there's a lot of people looking for a mate for their card to SLI with this increases demand more then usual for older parts. Which leaves us where we are now.

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Regardless, it's insane you can get an X1800XT for far less $$$ than a 7800GT.

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Whats more insane is that people will still buy the 7800GT instead.[/quote]

That was the whole point of SLI man. 2 7800 GTs in SLI benches a bit faster that a 7800GTX. I don't have the link but AT did a comparison(or you can google it). Instead of buying a expensive brand new card, you could buy your same, older card and keep your system chugging along.

Wasn't that the whole point of SLI?
 

RyanVM

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I've always said that SLI is only a useful purchase if both are bought up front. The "Buy one now, get a second later" mentality has proven to be utter BS over multiple product generations now. Though I suppose I should qualify that statement by restricting purchases to retail. Obviously FS/FT and eBay purchases can still make it half-economical (though that's still debatable).
 

kwaichangkang

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Originally posted by: RyanVM
I've always said that SLI is only a useful purchase if both are bought up front. The "Buy one now, get a second later" mentality has proven to be utter BS over multiple product generations now. Though I suppose I should qualify that statement by restricting purchases to retail. Obviously FS/FT and eBay purchases can still make it half-economical (though that's still debatable).


Dude, if it pans out like that-prices for older generation SLI capable cards rising in price(due to the market/supply-demand), then screw-it. I might as well get a 7900GT or x1800(or whatever the ATI equivalent is)

I drank the nVidia kool-aid, but it seems that this issue wasn't factored into their marketing. Shame on me.
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: kwaichangkang


No one wants a 7800GT...... prices should therefore go DOWN.

Same thing happened with people wanting to do 6800GT/ULTRA SLI. SLI only makes sense for ultra high end it seems, not a middle of the road upgrade. Nvidia probably cuts all production on the old models in favor of the new, this lowers supply. Since there's a lot of people looking for a mate for their card to SLI with this increases demand more then usual for older parts. Which leaves us where we are now.

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Regardless, it's insane you can get an X1800XT for far less $$$ than a 7800GT.

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Whats more insane is that people will still buy the 7800GT instead.[/quote]

That was the whole point of SLI man. 2 7800 GTs in SLI benches a bit faster that a 7800GTX. I don't have the link but AT did a comparison(or you can google it). Instead of buying a expensive brand new card, you could buy your same, older card and keep your system chugging along.

Wasn't that the whole point of SLI?[/quote]

Yeah, a lot of people talked about that. Even I thought it was interesting idea for awhile. But in practice, it just doesn't work out. You usually end up paying more for the second card then you should have because its a competitive industry and nvidia can't afford to keep producing last years product. This in turn increases the price they fetch on the used market as well. So it makes more sense to sell your old card at the inflated prices and buy a faster new card. The new single card usually performs better then the two older cards in SLI, uses less power and often has a better feature set.

I remember reading a buying guide here on AT where they came to that conclusion as well, and there was a thread in this forum where a lot of people argued with the guy that wrote it. He was right though. And it looks like the situation has repeated itself with the 7800 series.

I wanted to buy a 7800GT for awhile, I was thinking of snagging one when they hit $200. But it doesn't look like thats going to happen. I grabbed a x850xt instead and am pretty happy with it.

My concern is when crossfire becomes more popular I'm not going to be able to turn to last years ATI parts either. They'll have the same inflated prices as nvidia parts do. I prefer to buy the old flagship parts rather then the new budget parts...because when saving money I'd rather sacrifice some features in favor of performance.
 

kwaichangkang

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I'm not bending over for nVidia's BS anymore.

Basically it comes down to this:

-If you get the chance to buy current generation cards for SLI, do it.

-If you get the chance to buy current generations cards RIGHT before the next generation cards come out, do it.

-If your on a last generation card and you happen to find your older card on FS/FT/eBay, do it but you might get ripped-good luck.

-Screw SLI and buy a single current generation card, sell it to get next generation when it comes up.

I'm not even going to wait like i said earlier in this thread for a price adjustment. I'm going to pick up a X1800XT or a 7900GT.

SLI-nice in theory Bullshit in practise

 

firewolfsm

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The best time to upgrade to SLI is a couple weeks before the release of the next gen cards, at that time you could find a 7800GT for $250
 

kwaichangkang

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Originally posted by: firewolfsm
The best time to upgrade to SLI is a couple weeks before the release of the next gen cards, at that time you could find a 7800GT for $250

This seems to be the pattern that has emerged since we have gone thru two product cycles within SLI being released.

Being the asstard I am, I assumed that those $250 prices would eventually go down with the continued release of the 7900 series.
 

Fallengod

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Yeah give it some time. Prices will go down. ANyways if you check around forums, people do sell used 7800gts for $200 shipped. Some people anyways. I bought a bfg for that price so.. :p

I definitely agree though. I see alot of stores still selling 7800gt's and gtx's for $300-$400 and people selling used 7800gts/gtx's for around $250-$300. I dont know who would pay those prices when a 7900gt can be had for around $240AR these days.(from the cc deal and dell deal). A 7900gt is definitely faster than a gtx, so I dont know how people expect to get close to $300 for a 7800 gtx still, but anyways...
 

TheRyuu

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No one want's a 7800GT cause the 7900GT is faster and OC's a lot better.

Also, 7800GT is on the older 110nm manufacturing process while the new G71 (7900GT) is on the newer 90nm process. Less die space=more profit=lower price=cheaper to produce.
 

Topweasel

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Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Supply and demand...

No one wants a 7800GT...... prices should therefore go DOWN.

Same thing happened with people wanting to do 6800GT/ULTRA SLI. SLI only makes sense for ultra high end it seems, not a middle of the road upgrade. Nvidia probably cuts all production on the old models in favor of the new, this lowers supply. Since there's a lot of people looking for a mate for their card to SLI with this increases demand more then usual for older parts. Which leaves us where we are now.

Regardless, it's insane you can get an X1800XT for far less $$$ than a 7800GT.

Or a 7900GT, the fact remains that their will be more of an increase in performance getting another 7800 GT then their is to buy 7900GT. Not every has a friend willing to buy their old part and not everyone feels safe sellling things online. at $350 (which isn't what they are sellig) it would probably still be a better buy (along the lines of no one to sell to approach).

 

ForumMaster

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it's called supply and demand. people still want those video cards in sli. i still use and old AGP card and am upgrading soon to a 6600GT, the prices for those are still above $100 cause people still want them.
 

CaiNaM

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Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Supply and demand...

No one wants a 7800GT...... prices should therefore go DOWN.

Same thing happened with people wanting to do 6800GT/ULTRA SLI. SLI only makes sense for ultra high end it seems, not a middle of the road upgrade. Nvidia probably cuts all production on the old models in favor of the new, this lowers supply. Since there's a lot of people looking for a mate for their card to SLI with this increases demand more then usual for older parts. Which leaves us where we are now.

Regardless, it's insane you can get an X1800XT for far less $$$ than a 7800GT.

yea, he'll have a wonderful time trying to get it to run in SLI with his other 7800, wouldn't he? :shocked: