Why is taxing the rich considered so taboo by the non-rich?

[Craig234]

Interesting point. I guess it brings up the question - at what point does the common good outweigh the individual good (freedom)? If individual good is deemed the most important, then are we doomed to repeat the mistakes of the romans? If common good weighs the most, do we become a true communist nation?

'Individual good' and 'common good' are not mutually exlusive. These abstract issues get remarkably ignorant and useless in no time as if the absolutes exist here.

It's pointless discussing 'if the public good totally overruled the private good' - we have, will have, and should have a hybrid.

In fact, it's just a nonsensical framing of the issue. Where in all this 'public government common good' versus 'individual good' does corporatocracy vs. individual come in?

 

[xj0hnx]

Interesting point. I guess it brings up the question - at what point does the common good outweigh the individual good (freedom)? If individual good is deemed the most important, then are we doomed to repeat the mistakes of the romans? If common good weighs the most, do we become a true communist nation?

Any halfway honest person realizes there's benefits to both, for both, the fight is over where the balance between them is.

 

[BoberFett]

Any halfway honest person realizes there's benefits to both, for both, the fight is over where the balance between them is.

I'm less concerned with the balance and more concerned with where it happens. Local government is phenomenal. I love mine.

What I don't like it massive, unaccountable, out-of-touch bureaucracy from 1000 miles away trying to make the decision for 300M+ people.

Guess what, life is not one size fits all. Massive faceless government is no better than massive faceless corporations, yet Democrats buy into the lie that all we need is more government and everything will be better.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm less concerned with the balance and more concerned with where it happens. Local government is phenomenal. I love mine.

What I don't like it massive, unaccountable, out-of-touch bureaucracy from 1000 miles away trying to make the decision for 300M+ people.

Guess what, life is not one size fits all. Massive faceless government is no better than massive faceless corporations, yet Democrats buy into the lie that all we need is more government and everything will be better.

Lameness. When did you get to vote about what corporations do? And what is there to counter the power of big corps if not big govt? Libertopian delusion?

 

[Throckmorton]

This is a very, very, very tired argument.

I attended private schooling, funded by the public and my parents OWN DAMN MONEY, charter school if you will.

I built my house by paying others with MONEY that I EARNED.

Don't talk to me about internet, I built a good portion of it in my state and am paid handsomely to do it across the world.

Fuck you communist. I will succeed not because of you, but despite you.

You know the US Federal Government created the Internet right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET

 

[BoberFett]

Lameness. When did you get to vote about what corporations do? And what is there to counter the power of big corps if not big govt? Libertopian delusion?

You vote every time you buy a product or service. You're not very bright, are you?

 

[dainthomas]

It's especially funny because it was greed and corruption that killed the Roman Empire. Those in power only cared about themselves and the result was collapse.

Not that I see any parallels.

Actually one of the new theories is that the Roman Empire collapsed not because they got weaker, but because their neighbors got stronger (largely through their prolonged contact with the empire).

So to take this analogy to its logical conclusion, we should regularly bomb the rest of the world into the stone age to keep them from overwhelming us.

 

[Darwin333]

Yeah, gosh, we wouldn't want to prevent something like Melamine being injected into everything for the sake of profit.

After all, the Koch brothers only want to enhance society by getting more than $43BN in wealth through the free pollution of our entire environment. Let future generations figure out how to fix it, right?

Like modern day banksters?

 

[werepossum]

Actually one of the new theories is that the Roman Empire collapsed not because they got weaker, but because their neighbors got stronger (largely through their prolonged contact with the empire).

So to take this analogy to its logical conclusion, we should regularly bomb the rest of the world into the stone age to keep them from overwhelming us.

Except that we expect the rest of the world to provide us all our consumer goods and creature comforts.

 

[cKGunslinger]

This is a very, very, very tired argument.

I attended private schooling, funded by the public and my parents OWN DAMN MONEY, charter school if you will.

I built my house by paying others with MONEY that I EARNED.

Don't talk to me about internet, I built a good portion of it in my state and am paid handsomely to do it across the world.

Fuck you communist. I will succeed not because of you, but despite you.

What the fuck is this tripe?

 

[Phokus]

Just a reminder that spide07 wants to raise taxes on the bottom 80% of americans, he's a punk.

 

[LegendKiller]

Actually one of the new theories is that the Roman Empire collapsed not because they got weaker, but because their neighbors got stronger (largely through their prolonged contact with the empire).

So to take this analogy to its logical conclusion, we should regularly bomb the rest of the world into the stone age to keep them from overwhelming us.

And their neighbors probably got stronger because they got weaker and had less influence.

 

[LegendKiller]

Lameness. When did you get to vote about what corporations do? And what is there to counter the power of big corps if not big govt? Libertopian delusion?

He thinks that the "free market" will counter any company's miscreant activities.

That works so well for the Koch brothers, perennial polluters. I bet him and his teabagger friends don't even know what they make nor do they even realize who funded the teabaggers.

 

[BoberFett]

He thinks that the "free market" will counter any company's miscreant activities.

That works so well for the Koch brothers, perennial polluters. I bet him and his teabagger friends don't even know what they make nor do they even realize who funded the teabaggers.

You've gone off the deep end with the rest of the lefty loonies, haven't you?

Last Tuesday must have you quite upset.

 

[LegendKiller]

You've gone off the deep end with the rest of the lefty loonies, haven't you?

Last Tuesday must have you quite upset.

I haven't gone anywhere. Nice rebuttal though.

Give up the image already, it's fucking lame and lacks imagination.

 

[spidey07]

Just a reminder that spide07 wants to raise taxes on the bottom 80% of americans, he's a punk.

We The People have spoken. Working people told Obama to stop and stop him we did.

Time for broke fuckers to pay their fair share.

 

[Jhhnn]

He thinks that the "free market" will counter any company's miscreant activities.

That works so well for the Koch brothers, perennial polluters. I bet him and his teabagger friends don't even know what they make nor do they even realize who funded the teabaggers.

You're right, of course. Notice how he slips away from the issue, into denial and petulant non sequiters...

 

[BoberFett]

I haven't gone anywhere. Nice rebuttal though.

Give up the image already, it's fucking lame and lacks imagination.

Poor little butthurt banker.

 

[BoberFett]

You're right, of course. Notice how he slips away from the issue, into denial and petulant non sequiters...

So you're saying you have no control over which companies you purchase goods from?

 

[LegendKiller]

Poor little butthurt banker.

How am I butthurt fuckwit? The Repuglicans are even less likely to slap huge regulations on the banks than the Democrats.

You really just don't get it.

 

[Jhhnn]

So you're saying you have no control over which companies you purchase goods from?

Sometimes. OTOH, If my natural gas supplier gets their distribution from Koch Industries, for example, I don't have much choice, other than to heat with electricity, maybe created with Koch Industries natural gas, and pay a lot more to do it... Can't pick and choose wrt many pharmaceuticals, either, and it's kinda tough to boycott ADM at the supermarket... Anybody who prefers Apple computers to Microsoft needs to understand that the only reason they're still alive is anti-trust considerations on the part of microsoft...

How would you suggest people do business w/o banks, anyway? Everything in cash, including home purchases? That'd do wonderful things for people already paying mortgages, like blowing the bottom out of the market... and it'd make international commerce extremely interesting. None of that needs to be effectively regulated, does it? And we don't need a central bank or a unified currency, either- States could just issue their own money, right?

And we'd do just fine w/o interstate highways, a national air traffic control system, the FDA or any number of federal agencies, right?

The list goes on from there...

It's not the so called Free Market that protects us from the vagaries of predatory capitalism, at all, but rather the govt of the people, of egalitarian democracy.

 

[MrX8503]

You vote every time you buy a product or service. You're not very bright, are you?

This doesn't stop monopolies, nor does it stop unethical anti competitiveness practices.

 

[werepossum]

This doesn't stop monopolies, nor does it stop unethical anti competitiveness practices.

There are no monopolies except as established by or using government.

 

[MrX8503]

There are no monopolies except as established by or using government.

I think my comment went over your head. There are no monopolies because of the government.

 

[LegendKiller]

There are no monopolies except as established by or using government.

Are you fucking serious?