Why is socialism so-anti American to Republicans but racism, isn't?

[HomerJS]

The word socialist or socialism has become synonymous to being a member of NAMBLA (look it up yourself) in the world of Republicans. They punch Democrats in the face with this label despite it being true for only 9 members of Congress. That includes the more famous members, Rashida Talib, AOC and Bernie Sanders. The first thing that comes out of their mouths when a Democrat is mentioned is "socialist" It's as if they have political Tourette syndrome.

Yet this party is either openly racist, condones or turns a blind eye to racism. Although Trump didn't invent, it's been on full display during his administration by not only the President but members of Congress. They do this on a far greater level then Democrats are socialist yet the Democratic party gets this label. To Republicans being socialist is as anti-American as you can get. Meanwhile racism? They're cool with it.

This bring me to one of the biggest beefs I have with Democrats, they don't know how to attack their opponents with the same toughness as Republicans. Democrats for the most part do not punch their opponents right in the face. They should label Republicans with the racism label with the same fervor as Republicans label them with socialism. The one thing the Democratic Party can learn from people like AOC she knows how to punch Republicans right back in their confederate flag waving faces. Democrats keep trying to fight with 10oz gloves when Republicans strip out padding down to 2oz. If Republicans manage to label the Democratic Party by the likes of Bernie Sanders why don't Democrats wrap the Republican Party with the open racism by the likes of Donald Trump and Louie Gomert?

‘Don’t Say Socialism Ever Again’: Democrats In Congress Push Back Against Lefty Messaging After Disappointing Election

Top Dems slammed defunding the police.

www.forbes.com

 

[KB]

Hah, you are trying to find logic in the minds of Republicans voters? good luck.

This is the group that hates socialism but loves the police... a socialist organization, created for the common good and supported by taxes.

 

[Commodus]

Here's the thing, though: AOC, Tlaib, Sanders and the like aren't socialist. They're social democrats, and that's an important distinction.

Socialism in its unfettered form is social ownership of the means of production and institutions, much like communism. But that's not what AOC et. al. are arguing for. They believe in capitalism, private ownership and democracy on basic levels. It's just that they believe government should play an important role in key areas, such as healthcare and education.

Conservatives use the blanket "socialism" label precisely because it's an exaggeration of what those Democrats actually believe — it scares unquestioning right-wingers into thinking that AOC/Tlaib/Sanders are Marxists just waiting to destroy the US from within. In reality, they're social democrats who just want the US to adopt measures that have worked in many other countries.

That erodes any semblance of nuance and, arguably, gives conservatives an excuse to tune out accusations of racism. It doesn't matter that Trump puts out racist dog whistles if you're terrified that someone who believes "your health shouldn't be tied to your income" is a pinko commie Marxist devil.

 

[nOOky]

Remind them how much Trump has spent during his term and ask them if that is socialism or not, and where did all those trillions of dollars go anyway? I.E. his tax cut. Democrats are always trying to be the better party. Biden is ridiculously nice, and I hate that about him. The only way to win a boxing match is to out-punch your opponent, not out-hug him. I think it's time to break the back of the party of hatred and corruption once and for all, or this shit will only get worse. The problem is that Biden is the only candidate the Dems put forth that could actually beat Trump so here we are.

 

[Moonbeam]

One serves the 1%. The other does not. People who hate themselves beg to be led.

"You are a powerless victim but I can make you great again. Who do you trust? Certainly not each other! You have been cheated out of winning by socialist takers all of your life. I will take what was stolen and give it back, but first we must destroy them. Then will come your new day in the sun."

 

[sandorski]

The Wealthy are in a race to see who gets all the Marbles. They will fight anything that prevents that pursuit.

 

[Jaskalas]

Socialism in its unfettered form is social ownership of the means of production and institutions, much like communism.

Socialism consumes business. Communism consumes both business and personal ownership. Nothing is "yours".

I, for example, envision a tax rate around 33% for current services + Basic Income. 50% if you want healthcare. These are deficit neutral or even positive rates. They may end up slightly lower, or we can finally pay down the debt. But the key word here is pay. We all gotta do the minimum to pitch in and help each other out. Once the minimum is taken care of, let business do whatever financially. Could care less beyond the public good.

I favor the free market, I favor people's freedoms, but I believe we must strike a balance to achieve and maintain these freedoms. Wage slavery is not freedom. Our people are consumers. To protect Capitalism we must protect the consumer.

 

[sportage]

All I know is that republicans sure love their socialism. Farmers are getting handouts from Trump’s government, the banks and corporations received huge handouts from Trump’s tax reform, even the politicians love their socialism too. Lifetime pensions for government service, socialism healthcare that no on one else can have, special tax advantage for maintaining two homes, and how about the lack of term limits? Surety allowing politicians to serve for life is a type of socialism. And that’s how republicans operate, they point the finger accusing others of doing exactly what they themselves are doing. And the electorate are too stupid and to easily fooled to realize the truth. But I guess that stupidity of the electorate is what politicians count on.

 

[soulcougher73]

We could get rid of all these programs to see what republican voters think. Dont tell them, just do it. They can wake up in a new world and be WTF?

 

[Greenman]

The word socialist or socialism has become synonymous to being a member of NAMBLA (look it up yourself) in the world of Republicans. They punch Democrats in the face with this label despite it being true for only 9 members of Congress. That includes the more famous members, Rashida Talib, AOC and Bernie Sanders. The first thing that comes out of their mouths when a Democrat is mentioned is "socialist" It's as if they have political Tourette syndrome.

Yet this party is either openly racist, condones or turns a blind eye to racism. Although Trump didn't invent, it's been on full display during his administration by not only the President but members of Congress. They do this on a far greater level then Democrats are socialist yet the Democratic party gets this label. To Republicans being socialist is as anti-American as you can get. Meanwhile racism? They're cool with it.

This bring me to one of the biggest beefs I have with Democrats, they don't know how to attack their opponents with the same toughness as Republicans. Democrats for the most part do not punch their opponents right in the face. They should label Republicans with the racism label with the same fervor as Republicans label them with socialism. The one thing the Democratic Party can learn from people like AOC she knows how to punch Republicans right back in their confederate flag waving faces. Democrats keep trying to fight with 10oz gloves when Republicans strip out padding down to 2oz. If Republicans manage to label the Democratic Party by the likes of Bernie Sanders why don't Democrats wrap the Republican Party with the open racism by the likes of Donald Trump and Louie Gomert?

‘Don’t Say Socialism Ever Again’: Democrats In Congress Push Back Against Lefty Messaging After Disappointing Election

Top Dems slammed defunding the police.

www.forbes.com

You're only looking at the two ends of the spectrum, and calling it the norm. Bernie and AOC represent a part of the democratic party that should actually break of into it's own faction. The same should occur with the far right "shoot yourself in the foot" faction.
Republican's don't have a problem with limited socialism, but they don't like the full scale version because they believe that it promotes sloth and laziness.

 

[VashHT]

Republican's don't have a problem with limited socialism, but they don't like the full scale version because they believe that it promotes sloth and laziness.

How do you figure this? Every republican I know has a meltdown if you even bring up socialized healthcare.

 

[hal2kilo]

Remind them how much Trump has spent during his term and ask them if that is socialism or not, and where did all those trillions of dollars go anyway? I.E. his tax cut. Democrats are always trying to be the better party. Biden is ridiculously nice, and I hate that about him. The only way to win a boxing match is to out-punch your opponent, not out-hug him. I think it's time to break the back of the party of hatred and corruption once and for all, or this shit will only get worse. The problem is that Biden is the only candidate the Dems put forth that could actually beat Trump so here we are.

Farmers, farmers got lots of hand outs. Numbers just don't add up enough to make a difference in the election buddy boy.

 

[mect]

Because America was founded on racism, not socialism.

 

[Greenman]

How do you figure this? Every republican I know has a meltdown if you even bring up socialized healthcare.

Medicare, social security, unemployment insurance, food stamps, welfare. All of those are socialist concepts. The argument is always about how far along the scale we move.
More and more republican's will get on the UHC band wagon as the price of basic medical care becomes more and more absurd. I'm self employed, my medical insurance is my single largest expense.

 

[emperus]

Please stop acting like Republicans even understand what Socialism is. They don't, they are just socialized/propagandized to believe "It BAD". Remember the whole death panels in Obamacare. The Dems (most of them) actually believe in honest debates on ideas, that by it's very nature has them fighting with one hand tied behind their backs. Why stand on principal when you can just lie? The Republican party as we know it is one of Propaganda. They have no real ideas and no real believes, they swing from argument to argument based on which one gives them the maximum chance of winning at the moment (Supreme Court Justice). And this aided by their propaganda outlets (Fox being the top) and people who are solely concerned about money and power. Trump knew it and succeeded by it. He isn't bright but good at messaging in an authoritarian way. Keep repeating the same simple slogans over and over and over. You'll have people believing their must be some truth to it(13 angry democrats, Most successful economy ever, Witch Hunt) and will have our "mainstream media" having discussions as to whether the world is actually flat (you know, both sides).
Until we deal with the propaganda flooding our media outlets, we don't have a chance.

 

[Juiblex]

Right, republicans are STOOOPID!

 

[SmCaudata]

Medicare, social security, unemployment insurance, food stamps, welfare. All of those are socialist concepts. The argument is always about how far along the scale we move.
More and more republican's will get on the UHC band wagon as the price of basic medical care becomes more and more absurd. I'm self employed, my medical insurance is my single largest expense.

I agree with you that this is how it should be. The reality is though, that modern Republicans want to privatise everything: schools, military, police, roads. In fact, the only thing that modern republicans want to subsidize is big business.

 

[sdifox]

Racism is baked into your constitution...

 

[Greenman]

Please stop acting like Republicans even understand what Socialism is. They don't, they are just socialized/propagandized to believe "It BAD". Remember the whole death panels in Obamacare. The Dems (most of them) actually believe in honest debates on ideas, that by it's very nature has them fighting with one hand tied behind their backs. Why stand on principal when you can just lie? The Republican party as we know it is one of Propaganda. They have no real ideas and no real believes, they swing from argument to argument based on which one gives them the maximum chance of winning at the moment (Supreme Court Justice). And this aided by their propaganda outlets (Fox being the top) and people who are solely concerned about money and power. Trump knew it and succeeded by it. He isn't bright but good at messaging in an authoritarian way. Keep repeating the same simple slogans over and over and over. You'll have people believing their must be some truth to it(13 angry democrats, Most successful economy ever, Witch Hunt) and will have our "mainstream media" having discussions as to whether the world is actually flat (you know both sides).
Until we deal with the propaganda flooding our media outlets, we don't have a chance.

So you figure they missed the "social" in "social security"?

 

[hal2kilo]

So you figure they missed the "social" in "social security"?

Yes. They are that clueless.

 

[pauldun170]

Farmers, farmers got lots of hand outs. Numbers just don't add up enough to make a difference in the election buddy boy.

When you say Farmers, what exactly do you mean?
Asking for a friend

Mapping The U.S. Farm Subsidy $1M Club

Welfare to wealthy farmers: Over $11 billion in farm subsidies flowed to just 6,618 recipients who received at least $1 million since 2008. Who are they? We mapped them by ZIP Code across America.

www.forbes.com

Meet the '4%': Small number of farms dominates US

Large farms with over $1 million in sales account for only four percent of all farms, but 66 percent of all sales.

www.cnbc.com

Top 5 farms with the largest acreage in the U.S.

These farmers have the largest acreage in the U.S.

www.agriculture.com

Farmers Got Billions From Taxpayers In 2019, And Hardly Anyone Objected

Farmers got more than $22 billion in government payments in 2019 — and most of the money came through a program that Congress never approved. It's the highest level of farm subsidies in 14 years.

www.npr.org

How high could farm subsidies go? $40 billion this year.

USDA supports, already forecast to set a record, could exceed $40 billion this year after the second round of coronavirus relief now available to farmers and ranchers.

www.agriculture.com

 

[conehead433]

Having paved streets, sewers, electrical service, fire and police protection, armed forces that protect us from attack, and even running water for many are all examples of socialism. We live in a democratic socialist republic. If you don't like it go live somewhere else.

 

[Greenman]

I agree with you that this is how it should be. The reality is though, that modern Republicans want to privatise everything: schools, military, police, roads. In fact, the only thing that modern republicans want to subsidize is big business.

Privatizing is all about money. Government employees are expensive, really, really expensive. Government is also extremely wasteful. I've worked within that system, and watched in absolute astonishment as hundreds of thousands of dollars were pissed away foolishly. I once did $160k worth of unnecessary upgrades on a building that was scheduled for demolition the next year. They needed to use the budget up so it wouldn't get trimmed.

 

[Greenman]

Yes. They are that clueless.

That's the mindset of failure.

 

[ch33zw1z]

OP - because words are difficult.