Why is sex considered Immoral

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
exactly. the taboo was invented by ancient civilizations on the thin edge between survival and death. the fragile societies couldn't deal with the extra stress placed on them, getting enough food to survive was hard enough. its the same as kosher food prep regulations.

Bingo. 🙂
You have to take into account the conditions that ancient peoples lived in when analyzing the decisions that they made, the customs and morals that they had and developed, etc. If people want to bring religion into this debate, I think it is very important to point out that the Israelites in the desert lived under entirely different and far more severe conditions than we do today. For them, daily survival was almost a miracle in and of itself, and anything that would cause stress and unrest in their society could lead to its entire collapse. It's for this reason (and the fact that Jesus clearly gave us new commandments) that I say that the fundies who like to point out Leviticus are so misguided.
However, sex -- in and of itself -- is not and was never immoral. Morals are the codes that a society creates for its own long-term survival, and no society could survive without sex and reproduction. It is irresponsible promiscuous sex and adultery that are (and have been) immoral in almost any society. Those involve the breaking of vows, the spread of disease, unintentional and uncared-for children, and overall stress that no society (not even our mighty society) can deal with on a permanent basis.
I'm no fundie though, and I don't think sex is bad. Just do unto others, eh?

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
What do you mean 'Other than religion'?

Only the religious freaks think it is.

That's not true. I'm not a religious freak and I don't think it is beneficial to a person or society.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
We can thank our (United States) Puritan heritage along with the Catholic Church for that.. Funny how the Church is still unable to deal with the subject of sexuality...

oh, good, because no other organization in the history of the world ever thought sex outside of marriage was bad

I'd hazard a guess that most such organizations take the justification for their point of view from the Bible (and individuals from their religious upbringing). Feel free to provide counterexamples..

The bible references the need to have sex many more times than it ever talks about sex just for procreation.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
I'd say it's because to most people, sex is enjoyable. And as we all know, the ultra conservatives in this country consider anything enjoyable to be immoral.

I enjoy SUV's and Transfat, but you Liberals consider anything enjoyable to be illegal so sue sue sue.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn Yeah like marriage really keeps some people from being promiscuos..just as Kobe Bryant and the rest of the NBA Players!

Some married people are promiscuous. Some non-married people are monogamous. I made no statement about the effectiveness of the institution of marriage in achieving the goal of monogamous relationships and stable family environments.
I only pointed out the reasoning behind the traditional view of sex outside marriage being immoral.

Originally posted by: Maleficus
In Response to Shanti: There is such a thing as safe sex and while yes i know there is no guarentee it is generally regarded as safe.

The traditional view of sex outside marriage being immoral was around long before effective birth control.
As pointed out above, I was only talking about the origin of this viewpoint.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: apoppin

and people like you can't see that we'd still fight with each other just as much if religion wasn't thrown out as an excuse.

People like me?

😛

"idiots like you"- dont know me

well you obviously believe that the given reason is the actual reason for the war, so, by people like you, i mean people that believe as you do. no need to be a jackass about it

I just pointed out your need to be a jackass by assuming you know what I believe. 😛

You cannot (sanely) deny that religion is the greatest divisive force and cause for war on this planet.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: apoppin

and people like you can't see that we'd still fight with each other just as much if religion wasn't thrown out as an excuse.

People like me?

😛

"idiots like you"- dont know me

well you obviously believe that the given reason is the actual reason for the war, so, by people like you, i mean people that believe as you do. no need to be a jackass about it

I just pointed out your need to be a jackass by assuming you know what I believe. 😛

You cannot (sanely) deny that religion is the greatest divisive force and cause for war on this planet.

well, first, you did claim that religion was the cause. and now you're claiming it again. so, i'm not making an assumption so much as parroting you.

and yes, actually, i can, because i claim its just the superficial reason given, and that if religion did not exist man would just find some other reason to go to war. religion is not the cause of war; it is the excuse given. man's innate flaws are the reason for war. and they're not correctable.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: apoppin

and people like you can't see that we'd still fight with each other just as much if religion wasn't thrown out as an excuse.

People like me?

😛

"idiots like you"- dont know me

well you obviously believe that the given reason is the actual reason for the war, so, by people like you, i mean people that believe as you do. no need to be a jackass about it

I just pointed out your need to be a jackass by assuming you know what I believe. 😛

You cannot (sanely) deny that religion is the greatest divisive force and cause for war on this planet.

well, first, you did claim that religion was the cause. and now you're claiming it again. so, i'm not making an assumption so much as parroting you.

and yes, actually, i can, because i claim its just the superficial reason given, and that if religion did not exist man would just find some other reason to go to war. religion is not the cause of war; it is the excuse given. man's innate flaws are the reason for war. and they're not correctable.

You said "people like me" . . .
Whatever . . . 😛

Let's get rid of religion and find out.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: Woodchuck2000

Originally posted by: tcsenter

There is nothing wrong, nor ignorant, with hating religion.

Unless the ignorant hatred causes people to say ignorant and stupid things, like "There is nothing wrong, nor ignorant, with hating religion."

Are you then saying that by definition, anyone who hates religion is ignorant?

i think he is saying that based on his beliefs, anyone who hates anything is ignorant.

and el fenix hit it on the head^^

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: Woodchuck2000

Originally posted by: tcsenter

There is nothing wrong, nor ignorant, with hating religion.

Unless the ignorant hatred causes people to say ignorant and stupid things, like "There is nothing wrong, nor ignorant, with hating religion."

Are you then saying that by definition, anyone who hates religion is ignorant?

i think he is saying that based on his beliefs, anyone who hates anything is ignorant.

and el fenix hit it on the head^^

That is a load of BS.

The Bible says God hates certain things including false religion and hypocrites.


😛

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: Woodchuck2000

Originally posted by: tcsenter

There is nothing wrong, nor ignorant, with hating religion.

Unless the ignorant hatred causes people to say ignorant and stupid things, like "There is nothing wrong, nor ignorant, with hating religion."

Are you then saying that by definition, anyone who hates religion is ignorant?

i think he is saying that based on his beliefs, anyone who hates anything is ignorant.

and el fenix hit it on the head^^

That is a load of BS.

The Bible says God hates certain things including false religion and hypocrites.


😛