Why is riding a bike easier than....

SoftwareEng

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... walking? Specifically, why is it easier to go much faster and longer on a bike than on foot?

I am trying to understand the power application of muscles which makes riding a bike a more energy-efficient task than simply running. Is it the circular motion, the leg extension, no impact, or whatever else that makes biking a more energy-efficient task?

Thanks.
 

LS21

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bike wheels roll
your forward progress stops as soon as you put your feet down
 

Zolty

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First the reasons you mentioned, then through gearing you increase the motion of the back tire. Momentum is carried through more on a bike. I am sure someone in the Highly Technical forum can give you specifics.
 

iGas

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Science of Cycling.

1. The wheel.
2. Constant motion is more efficient than stop-n-go, hence pedaling in circular motion is more efficient than block pedaling.
 

her209

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Your feet/legs aren't supporting your weight as with walking.
The energy to motion efficiency is better on a bicycle.
Momentum propels the bike forward even if your feet is no longer doing work.
 

Quasmo

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Originally posted by: keird
I want to see the OP's reaction to trains.

No shit, diesel engines that have 16 cylinders each a foot across. Not only that, but the engines dont produce direct power, they turn it all into electricity and that moves the wheels.
 

nerdress

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You're kidding, right? I can't ride a bike without feeling like I'm going to die, so no, it isn't easier than walking :p
 

her209

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Originally posted by: nerdress
You're kidding, right? I can't ride a bike without feeling like I'm going to die, so no, it isn't easier than walking :p
You're doing it wrong then.
 

SoftwareEng

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Ok so only a few people took it seriously (thanks if you did)..

I am a mountain biker, and this wasn't meant as a joke. It's not as trivial as "uhh wheels". SO WHAT? Almost no one can actually explain WHY it's easier to ride a bike. Because you're doing circles instead of moving legs up/down? And..? ;)

I'll try the link iGas posted and maybe the Highly Technical forum too.
 

StageLeft

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Other than not having to support your weight, as mentioned ALL of your power goes toward forward movement. Walking and running are both extremely pitiful movements from an efficiency standpoint. In both you lean forward past your center of gravity and you tip forward in relation to the contact point with the ground. However, you then need to act in a way to prevent falling nose-in to the ground, and so you subsequently contact the ground whether it's walking or running (only exception being an accelerating sprinter) in front of your center of gravity, essentially braking every single step.

Not only in the horizontal plane are you wasting energy applying it both in the direction of travel and against it, but you're also going up and down constantly. You know you can burn energy running in spot, but if you're on a bike and not moving forward you burn nothing; you're just sitting on it.

On a bicycle you're never applying energy opposite to travel direction and you're never increasing or decreasing your height. Via the drive train every bit of muscle power is going to turning the crank and therefore the wheel.

I'm sure that in running the greatest energy loss is not the up/down, but rather the constant necessary braking with each step. If you think of an ice skater he glides constantly, so after a push off as long as he's balanced only wind resistance and ice friction slow him down, but simply the act of staying upright for a runner while running sucks energy.
 

randay

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Originally posted by: nerdress
You're kidding, right? I can't ride a bike without feeling like I'm going to die, so no, it isn't easier than walking :p

those levers on the handle bars? yeah they are brakes.
 

SoftwareEng

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Other than not having to support your weight, as mentioned ALL of your power goes toward forward movement. Walking and running are both extremely pitiful movements from an efficiency standpoint. In both you lean forward past your center of gravity and you tip forward in relation to the contact point with the ground. However, you then need to act in a way to prevent falling nose-in to the ground, and so you subsequently contact the ground whether it's walking or running (only exception being an accelerating sprinter) in front of your center of gravity, essentially braking every single step.

Not only in the horizontal plane are you wasting energy applying it both in the direction of travel and against it, but you're also going up and down constantly. You know you can burn energy running in spot, but if you're on a bike and not moving forward you burn nothing; you're just sitting on it.

On a bicycle you're never applying energy opposite to travel direction and you're never increasing or decreasing your height. Via the drive train every bit of muscle power is going to turning the crank and therefore the wheel.

I'm sure that in running the greatest energy loss is not the up/down, but rather the constant necessary braking with each step. If you think of an ice skater he glides constantly, so after a push off as long as he's balanced only wind resistance and ice friction slow him down, but simply the act of staying upright for a runner while running sucks energy.

I get that, it's a good point, but with pedaling you're still "pushing off" - off pedals, as opposed to the ground as with running. In fact, good bikers "run on pedals". I still don't get why biking is more efficient, though! damn
 

Lean L

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rolling resistance vs stomping on ground. walking, you fight gravity with each step, biking, gravity doesn't really affect the same way.
 
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Originally posted by: SoftwareEng
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Other than not having to support your weight, as mentioned ALL of your power goes toward forward movement. Walking and running are both extremely pitiful movements from an efficiency standpoint. In both you lean forward past your center of gravity and you tip forward in relation to the contact point with the ground. However, you then need to act in a way to prevent falling nose-in to the ground, and so you subsequently contact the ground whether it's walking or running (only exception being an accelerating sprinter) in front of your center of gravity, essentially braking every single step.

Not only in the horizontal plane are you wasting energy applying it both in the direction of travel and against it, but you're also going up and down constantly. You know you can burn energy running in spot, but if you're on a bike and not moving forward you burn nothing; you're just sitting on it.

On a bicycle you're never applying energy opposite to travel direction and you're never increasing or decreasing your height. Via the drive train every bit of muscle power is going to turning the crank and therefore the wheel.

I'm sure that in running the greatest energy loss is not the up/down, but rather the constant necessary braking with each step. If you think of an ice skater he glides constantly, so after a push off as long as he's balanced only wind resistance and ice friction slow him down, but simply the act of staying upright for a runner while running sucks energy.

I get that, it's a good point, but with pedaling you're still "pushing off" - off pedals, as opposed to the ground as with running. In fact, good bikers "run on pedals". I still don't get why biking is more efficient, though! damn

Pedals move in a circular motion. Even if you're "running" on the bike, your motion is still going to be circular and carried through. This follow through (circular) motion is not happening when you're running on the ground.
 

Nik

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Originally posted by: SoftwareEng
Ok so only a few people took it seriously (thanks if you did)..

I am a mountain biker, and this wasn't meant as a joke. It's not as trivial as "uhh wheels". SO WHAT? Almost no one can actually explain WHY it's easier to ride a bike. Because you're doing circles instead of moving legs up/down? And..? ;)

I'll try the link iGas posted and maybe the Highly Technical forum too.

Balance and inertia, duder. :)