Why is our Government so hell bent on taking out Saddam

[OutHouse]

News story

''I'm holding hearings to begin for the first time to seriously discuss what is the threat, if it's identified, and what are the scenarios, the forces involved,'' said Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Joseph Biden, D-Del. ''If we attack, we'll win. But what do we do the day after? We can't just go in and walk away.'' Biden, who confers regularly with senior Bush administration officials, said the president's aides have made it clear that no Iraq invasion is imminent.

I happen to agree, and for the past few months all this talk about going back to iraq and starting a war has been bothering me. what exactly is the threat? What would be the purpose? All it would do is get ever arab country extremely pissed and then what would we do? Is worth it to waste the lives of our men and women in uniform? Personally i believe that we should get out of the middle east.

 

[vi edit]

1. He has, and is continuing to develop chemical weapons
2. He has, and is continuing to develop biological weapons
3. He is trying to get his own nuclear weapons
4. He actively supports the palestinian terrorism on Israel and offers rewards to the families of homicide bombers
5. Rumors abound about him being the source of the anthrax used post 9-11
6. Bush Jr. is finishing up what daddy didn't

 

[Spike]

Bush Jr. is finishing up what daddy didn't

unfortunatly we were not able to take out saddam back during the gulf war. We would have lost all UN and even the coalition backing we had if the war was pursued any further. I think it was a mistake and we are finally taking care of it (him) His continue developing of weapons of mass disctruction while starving his own people is getting a little old.

 

[Electrode]

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[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
1. He has, and is continuing to develop chemical weapons
2. He has, and is continuing to develop biological weapons
3. He is trying to get his own nuclear weapons
4. He actively supports the palestinian terrorism on Israel and offers rewards to the families of homicide bombers
5. Rumors abound about him being the source of the anthrax used post 9-11
6. Bush Jr. is finishing up what daddy didn't

and? so its Americas job to go in and take his toys away?

 

[syzygy]

its not enough that he continues to keep a stockpile of biological weapons and maintains an illegal underground development
network to create more biological weaponry and possible small scale nuclear weapons.

the only point that distiniguishes this one dictator from all the other problem regimes is that he has used biological weapons against his own people and a neighboring country (iran) to further his own territorial interests.

 

[vi edit]

and? so its Americas job to go in and take his toys away?

He's breaking explicit UN orders and developing weapons that he has sternly been told not to fsck with. The UN is too much of a pussy to do anything because most of southern Europe is MUCH more middle east dependent than the US, so it's really just us to enforce it.

Oh, and don't come crawling to me when nuke/biological weapon is dumped on US ground with a "Made in Iraq" logo stamped on it.

 

[Ns1]

well after ww1 we ignored germany's rebuilding of their army (and all the otehr ways they broke the treaty) and they came back and started ww2 (or osmething to that effect)

iraq lost the persian gulf war and they're not following any fo the set terms in that eitehr


boo hiss

 

[Yossarian451]

Originally posted by: Electrode

Why is our Government so hell bent on taking out Saddam?

They're not. The way I see it, Bush and friends are giving the appearance that they plan to off Saddam, so that they will be re-elected. The truth is that killing Saddam is the last thing they'd ever want to do, since that would make oil more expensive, and we all know how much the oil companies put into Bush's pockets, don't we?

Actually in the very short term it would make oil more expensive, i.e. while we are fighting. Afterwards, there would be no sanctions on Iraq's oil, and that would make oil cheaper. Rather to be said, there are many people who don't want cheaper oil, as low supply means they can charge more, flood the market by lifting oil sanctions and you have problems. Sorry, you seem to be to media crazed on the whole, bribery thing that you lose facts.

 

[IGBT]

Weaponized smallpox of vaccine resistant variance.

 

[Stark]

NYTimes:

WASHINGTON, July 31 ? A former United Nations inspector told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee today he believes Saddam Hussein has extensive projects to make chemical and biological weapons, that he may have accelerated his nuclear-weapons programs, and that the Iraqi leader is a dangerous man because of his mental state...

The former inspector said it was not his place to say what the United States should do about Saddam Hussein, but that there should be one more effort to persuade him to allow United Nations inspectors back into Iraq.

"I think we've got to go a little further way if for no other reason than to make clear to the world that we went the full distance to get the law obeyed and arms control restored before taking other measures," Mr. Butler said.
"An ideal situation would be the resumption of arms control in Iraq, inspections and serious arms control," Mr. Butler said, but not if it means "the shell game ? phony inspections, more deceit, more concealment."

If the United States ultimately decides to move against Mr. Hussein, "do it for the right reasons," Mr. Butler said. "Have this debate and make clear to the world what this is about. It is about weapons of mass destruction, but please do not leave out Saddam's hideous record, in terms of human rights violations."

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: vi_edit
1. He has, and is continuing to develop chemical weapons
2. He has, and is continuing to develop biological weapons
3. He is trying to get his own nuclear weapons
4. He actively supports the palestinian terrorism on Israel and offers rewards to the families of homicide bombers
5. Rumors abound about him being the source of the anthrax used post 9-11
6. Bush Jr. is finishing up what daddy didn't

and? so its Americas job to go in and take his toys away?

If you really want an answer to this it would be good to read the article linked to by the originator of this thread. It is a fairly long read but has some interesting insights into why we are the ones that have to deal with rogue nations like Iraq.

 

[Red Dawn]

It's either kick their ass now with conventional weapons or nuke them later on after they use their nuikes or threaten to use them. We will take their Nuclear Strike capability out one way or another of that I have no doubt.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
well after ww1 we ignored germany's rebuilding of their army (and all the otehr ways they broke the treaty) and they came back and started ww2 (or osmething to that effect)

iraq lost the persian gulf war and they're not following any fo the set terms in that eitehr


boo hiss

It's a different situation this time around. After WWI, the League of Nations was even more impotent than the UN (if possible) because the US became isolationist. The League was a paper tiger, and had no real power or authority to dictate to Germany.

Any attack on Iraq is an effort to avoid a similar situation in the future.

If we do it, though, I sincerely hope that Bush asks Congress for a formal declaration of war.

 

[Tripleshot]

This should have been done 10 years ago. If it had,I bet the situation in the middle east would have been quite different, from Osama to Hamas, the PLO and Israel. The middle east would know we mean business. Now they speculate Bush jr hasn't got the cajones for all out war with Iraq, and world opinion is not on his side, in spite of all the evidence. Its a gawdamn shame!:|

 

[SALvation]

I'm guessing we're going into Iraq because of that whole "destroy America" thing.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
1. He has, and is continuing to develop chemical weapons
2. He has, and is continuing to develop biological weapons
3. He is trying to get his own nuclear weapons

There must be dozens of countries trying(or suceeding) in doing the same thing, and also hate us. Iraq being so special seem puzling.

 

[ViperXX]

Because we could be Hero?s. We must do it or others will face the fate of 9/11.

 

[XMan]

Saddam's ebola factory?

A biological weapons laboratory in Iraq is said to be making a deadly strain of virus codenamed Blue Nile, which American intelligence officials believe is the Ebola virus.

Washington is trying to pinpoint the location of the laboratory, revealed by defectors and Iraqi exiles. They described underground test chambers, tight security and a staff of 85 people working to equip Iraqi's military with biological agents powerful enough to inflict heavy casualities on any American invading force.

The Pentagon is examining satellite images of the west bank of the Tigris river in Baghdad, the Washington Post reports today. "It sounds credible," a Pentagon intelligence analyst is quoted as saying. "But proving it is another matter."

 

[Tiger]

I saw some of the testimony on C-Span today.
Saddam's former #1 nuclear physicist says they've got enough enriched uranium right now to make 3 bombs. It's only a matter of time.
When asked why the current "containment" policy wouldn't work he said we would have to contain the whole world.
The current technology embargo on Iraq is a seive. They get regular shipments from Singapore, Malaysia, up until 2 months ago Germany and most of Europe.

Everytime this subject comes up political hacks take pot shots at Bush senior.
The whole reason for the gulf war was the liberation of Kuwait, not the overthrow of Saddam.
The coalition of Arab and European countries never would have stood for it. It wasn't the goal set forth in the UN resolutions or approved by congress.