WHY is Nvidia making us pay to enable the still crippled decoding on our 6800s?

[RealityTime]

This is total bs. Can we now finally start to contact them and get some justice here as in the dvd decoder for free ??

 

[darkswordsman17]

Um, you don't have to buy their codec or whatever it was. You can use WMP and PureVideo will work.

I know the article was kind of confusing.

And yeah, it sucks that their high end cards are still broken (not fully, but any lack of functionality when their other low end cards have it is BS).

 

[rbV5]

WHY is Nvidia making us pay to enable the still crippled decoding on our 6800s

They're optimizing their gullabillity algorithm for future product launches.

 

[302efi]

I want to know the same thing...Its total bull$hit that we gotta pay after we payed for the cards to begin with. I pay over $500 for mine....on the box of my EVGA Ultra it says the card has it, so why do we got to shell out more cash to make it work ??....BULL$HIT

 

[Evdawg]

this whole situation is so very confusing. So the GT/Ultra STILL are NOT currently utilizing the pure video feature?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Evdawg
this whole situation is so very confusing. So the GT/Ultra STILL are NOT currently utilizing the pure video feature?

It wont be fully functional until a patch for WMP9/10.

 

[McArra]

This is a $hit :|

 

[imported_Computer MAn]

Originally posted by: Evdawg
this whole situation is so very confusing. So the GT/Ultra STILL are NOT currently utilizing the pure video feature?

The anandtech arcticle said the GT/U was broken but all the other geforce 6's should work now

 

[Evdawg]

Originally posted by: Computer MAn

Originally posted by: Evdawg
this whole situation is so very confusing. So the GT/Ultra STILL are NOT currently utilizing the pure video feature?

The anandtech arcticle said the GT/U was broken but all the other geforce 6's should work now

thats dissapointing............ so as acanthus said, the GT/Ultra wont be working until a WMP patch?

 

[Kyrano]

Originally posted by: Computer MAn
The anandtech arcticle said the GT/U was broken but all the other geforce 6's should work now

To clarify further, is it only the AGP versions of the GT/U that are still broken? Are the PCI Express versions now working properly?

 

[Keysplayr]

I feel for you guys who place sooo much importance on this feature. I know you would all be using it constantly if it worked. Fortunatley I just game and will not suffer the everlasting fate that the rest of you will. /sarcasm.

Sorry guys, but if the sole reason you went with a 6800 card over any other card is the advertised built in VP, than I would definately bitch to Nvidia. If you thought of it as just a bonus, then your not missing anything. I bought my 6800's because I knew they would kick some major arse for my gaming experience.

Seriously though, a lot of you are making it seem like you can't do things that you were able to do before.
You can still watch movies, you can still encode decode the very same way you did before. At least I know I can. But, nvidia made a mistake at some point. They are only human just like you and I. Just like ATI makes mistakes. SH!T happens but I think you are all being way to harsh on nvidia. If I were you, I would stop posted wasted threads in here about this and start a class action suit against nvidia if your so torn up about this and ask for restitution from them. Or, just return your card and get a 6600 series card. Whats the biggie? I know, I know.... I'm not you and your not me. Good point.

Good luck to everyone who got screwed and I hope this horrible nightmare is resolved.

:::: damn sarcasm unit going into overdrive ::::: /pulls plug

 

[darkswordsman17]

I just re-read the article.

It does say you have to have their NV DVD decoder.

This is B.S.

So, this didn't really fix the problem. All it did was prove that the 6800 owners got screwed and that any other GeForce 6 owner didn't get what was promised to be free.

In response to keysplayr:
The problem is that they claimed they would fix the problem, and all the did was make it so that if we want the feature we'll have to spend more money. On top of that, anybody who bought their high end cards doesn't even get the full functionality.

This wouldn't be half the fiasco it is if they hadn't touted this feature and claimed it would be so great then it turns out to be decent, but nothing amazing, and on top of that, you have to pay to get it.

Blah, I'm sick of this crap.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I feel for you guys who place sooo much importance on this feature. I know you would all be using it constantly if it worked. Fortunatley I just game and will not suffer the everlasting fate that the rest of you will. /sarcasm.

Sorry guys, but if the sole reason you went with a 6800 card over any other card is the advertised built in VP, than I would definately bitch to Nvidia. If you thought of it as just a bonus, then your not missing anything. I bought my 6800's because I knew they would kick some major arse for my gaming experience.

Seriously though, a lot of you are making it seem like you can't do things that you were able to do before.
You can still watch movies, you can still encode decode the very same way you did before. At least I know I can. But, nvidia made a mistake at some point. They are only human just like you and I. Just like ATI makes mistakes. SH!T happens but I think you are all being way to harsh on nvidia. If I were you, I would stop posted wasted threads in here about this and start a class action suit against nvidia if your so torn up about this and ask for restitution from them. Or, just return your card and get a 6600 series card. Whats the biggie? I know, I know.... I'm not you and your not me. Good point.

Good luck to everyone who got screwed and I hope this horrible nightmare is resolved.

:::: damn sarcasm unit going into overdrive ::::: /pulls plug

Agreed, My GT kicks ass at doing what I bought it to do: playing games.... I've watched the 1080p "Step Into Liquid" trailer twice now, and probably won't watch it again. It does suck for you guys that really want this feature, but it would be much worse IMO if nVidia had further delayed the launch of the 6800's because of this. They should have just removed it from the features list and been done with it.

 

[oupei]

have you checked your installation cd? my pny 6800 nu comes with NVDVD

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I feel for you guys who place sooo much importance on this feature. I know you would all be using it constantly if it worked. Fortunatley I just game and will not suffer the everlasting fate that the rest of you will. /sarcasm.

Sorry guys, but if the sole reason you went with a 6800 card over any other card is the advertised built in VP, than I would definately bitch to Nvidia. If you thought of it as just a bonus, then your not missing anything. I bought my 6800's because I knew they would kick some major arse for my gaming experience.

Seriously though, a lot of you are making it seem like you can't do things that you were able to do before.
You can still watch movies, you can still encode decode the very same way you did before. At least I know I can. But, nvidia made a mistake at some point. They are only human just like you and I. Just like ATI makes mistakes. SH!T happens but I think you are all being way to harsh on nvidia. If I were you, I would stop posted wasted threads in here about this and start a class action suit against nvidia if your so torn up about this and ask for restitution from them. Or, just return your card and get a 6600 series card. Whats the biggie? I know, I know.... I'm not you and your not me. Good point.

Good luck to everyone who got screwed and I hope this horrible nightmare is resolved.

:::: damn sarcasm unit going into overdrive ::::: /pulls plug

Agreed, My GT kicks ass at doing what I bought it to do: playing games.... I've watched the 1080p "Step Into Liquid" trailer twice now, and probably won't watch it again. It does suck for you guys that really want this feature, but it would be much worse IMO if nVidia had further delayed the launch of the 6800's because of this. They should have just removed it from the features list and been done with it.

Yes, they should have left it off the features list and then later on said, "SURPRISE, look what we have for you nice people who paid $400+ for our video cards..." That would have been a better move.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: Kyrano

Originally posted by: Computer MAn
The anandtech arcticle said the GT/U was broken but all the other geforce 6's should work now

To clarify further, is it only the AGP versions of the GT/U that are still broken? Are the PCI Express versions now working properly?

To clarify: All NV40 cards are affected, that includes AGP and PCIe variants that use the NV40 GPU including the 6800standard AGP models.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: Kyrano

Originally posted by: Computer MAn
The anandtech arcticle said the GT/U was broken but all the other geforce 6's should work now

To clarify further, is it only the AGP versions of the GT/U that are still broken? Are the PCI Express versions now working properly?

To clarify: All NV40 cards are affected, that includes AGP and PCIe variants that use the NV40 GPU including the 6800standard AGP models.

That's why there is a question, PCIe 6800's are not NV40, but NV45 which came out later than NV40.

 

[jonny13]

Originally posted by: oupei
have you checked your installation cd? my pny 6800 nu comes with NVDVD

NVDVD is not the same as the Nvidia DVD Decoder. NVDVD is a program to play DVD's and the Nvidia DVD decoder is not compatible with the older versions of NVDVD. Even if you have a new version, you still need to pay $20 for the DVD decoder.

Quote from nvidia

"Will this product work with NVDVD and ForceWare Multimedia?
The new software will upgrade the decoders in ForceWare Multimedia 3.0 to access the new features in the NVIDIA DVD Decoder. The NVIDIA DVD Decoder will not upgrade NVDVD 2.0 as it was a separate application based upon an old architecture.

Jonny

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I feel for you guys who place sooo much importance on this feature. I know you would all be using it constantly if it worked. Fortunatley I just game and will not suffer the everlasting fate that the rest of you will. /sarcasm.

Sorry guys, but if the sole reason you went with a 6800 card over any other card is the advertised built in VP, than I would definately bitch to Nvidia. If you thought of it as just a bonus, then your not missing anything. I bought my 6800's because I knew they would kick some major arse for my gaming experience.

Seriously though, a lot of you are making it seem like you can't do things that you were able to do before.
You can still watch movies, you can still encode decode the very same way you did before. At least I know I can. But, nvidia made a mistake at some point. They are only human just like you and I. Just like ATI makes mistakes. SH!T happens but I think you are all being way to harsh on nvidia. If I were you, I would stop posted wasted threads in here about this and start a class action suit against nvidia if your so torn up about this and ask for restitution from them. Or, just return your card and get a 6600 series card. Whats the biggie? I know, I know.... I'm not you and your not me. Good point.

Good luck to everyone who got screwed and I hope this horrible nightmare is resolved.

:::: damn sarcasm unit going into overdrive ::::: /pulls plug

So basically if you bought a car.. you bought it to drive it.. and as long as it drives thats okay. It doesnt matter that your GPS doesnt work that you PAID for and wanted, the cd player only works in some models, but the tape player works so its all good right keys? I mean lets face it you bought the car so that you could drive it.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

nvidia owes me £27.02 for the 20million useless transistors on this 6800gt i bought

the leadtek 6800gt i had cost me £300 ish (305 but hey keep it simple)

thats $578.208 to most of u lot

nv owe me $52.0846

 

[bfives]

How do you even get to the Video properties screen? I have NDVD playing a video, but, can't seem to get to that properties screen.

I tried both in WMP and NDVD. WMP allows me to go into properties, but, it only has the Audio tab, not Video.

Any ideas?

Brian

 

[dacull]

Some useful information on what each card has, or does not have


NV40 (6800U AGP, 6800GT AGP, 6800 AGP)
PureVideo DVD/MPEG2 Video Quality Improvement: Yes
PureVideo WMV Video Quality Improvement: Yes
DVD/MPEG2 Hardware Acceleration: Yes
WMV Hardware Acceleration: No

NV41 (6800 PCI-E)
PureVideo DVD/MPEG2 Video Quality Improvement: Yes
PureVideo WMV Video Quality Improvement: Yes
DVD/MPEG2 Hardware Acceleration: Yes
WMV Hardware Acceleration: Yes

NV43 (6600GT AGP/PCI-E, 6600 AGP/PCI-E)
PureVideo DVD/MPEG2 Video Quality Improvement: Yes
PureVideo WMV Video Quality Improvement: Yes
DVD/MPEG2 Hardware Acceleration: Yes
WMV Hardware Acceleration: Yes

NV44 (6200 PCI-E)
PureVideo DVD/MPEG2 Video Quality Improvement: Partial
PureVideo WMV Video Quality Improvement: Partial
DVD/MPEG2 Hardware Acceleration: Limited (720p max)
WMV Hardware Acceleration: Limited (720p max)

NV45 (6800U PCI-E, 6800GT PCI-E)
PureVideo DVD/MPEG2 Video Quality Improvement: Yes
PureVideo WMV Video Quality Improvement: Yes
DVD/MPEG2 Hardware Acceleration: Yes
WMV Hardware Acceleration: No

 

[Big Lar]

OK, I will go read the AT article on this, but I have the NVDVD 2.0 right now, and when I watch a dvd on my computer, I only have 8 to 15% or so, cpu usage, with my EVGA 6800gt, so I guess I am missing the point somehow.

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
That's why there is a question, PCIe 6800's are not NV40, but NV45 which came out later than NV40.

NV45 is just an NV40 with the HSI bridge chip on the GPU PCB, so it has the same problem. I think the new PCIe 6800s that use the new PCIe-native, 12-pipe NV41 GPUs (vs. the AGP-native, 16-pipe NV40/45) are fine, though.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Pete

Originally posted by: nitromullet
That's why there is a question, PCIe 6800's are not NV40, but NV45 which came out later than NV40.

NV45 is just an NV40 with the HSI bridge chip on the GPU PCB, so it has the same problem. I think the new PCIe 6800s that use the new PCIe-native, 12-pipe NV41 GPUs (vs. the AGP-native, 16-pipe NV40/45) are fine, though.

That's what I don't understand - why doesn't NV and their ODM partners switch the 6800 AGP reference design to use the NV41, with their additional bridge chip to convert PCI-E back to AGP, and ship them that way? (I know - extra chip = extra cost, and they're not going to do that.) But it would fix the PVP issue for customers with the 6800 cards, at least. (IIRC the 6800 Ultra/6800 GT were the 16-pipe models, the plain 6800 AGP was sold as a 12-pipe, although many people unlocked them, right?)

At the very least, if that design is in production, then customers that complain (which, based on the comments here, would only be a fraction of total 6800 AGP owners) about the non-functional WMV hardware decoding via the PVP, should be offered an exchange for their existing cards. That's really the least that NV should do, IMHO.