Why is letting people download music from your computer any different than leaving the door to a record store open?

[notfred]

The RIAA seems to think that they should be punishing everyone who allows music to be downlaoded from them.

Making it easy to steal property is not a crime. If I leave my keys in my car and it gets stolen, it does not make me the thief.

Wouldn't record stores be just as guilty of piracy for leaving thier doors unlocked during business hours, and allowing potential thieves to enter the store and walk out with CDs?

The only ones they should have any case against are the people downloading the music, not the people supplying it.

 

[acidvoodoo]

kazaa is bad for rewarding us with a high participation level for uploading more i guess

 

[nord1899]

Thats a bad analogy. While I absolutely hate the RIAA and MPAA, here is a better one.

The file trader is more like the guy on the street selling copies of CD's than the record store. Here, the RIAA and music companies make no money off of that sale. And that CD is most likely a copy of either a legitly purchased one or more likely a stolen one.

 

[BooneRebel]

Originally posted by: nord1899
Thats a bad analogy. While I absolutely hate the RIAA and MPAA, here is a better one.

The file trader is more like the guy on the street selling copies of CD's than the record store. Here, the RIAA and music companies make no money off of that sale. And that CD is most likely a copy of either a legitly purchased one or more likely a stolen one.

That's a bad analogy, too. The file trader is not getting any financial consideration for making his music available on his drive.

 

[nord1899]

Originally posted by: BooneRebel

Originally posted by: nord1899
Thats a bad analogy. While I absolutely hate the RIAA and MPAA, here is a better one.

The file trader is more like the guy on the street selling copies of CD's than the record store. Here, the RIAA and music companies make no money off of that sale. And that CD is most likely a copy of either a legitly purchased one or more likely a stolen one.

That's a bad analogy, too. The file trader is not getting any financial consideration for making his music available on his drive.

True, but he is knowingly distributing it. Which is different than a record store being robbed.

 

[GoingUp]

What about if the files are served from a server overseas? Wouldnt that make you untouchable?

 

[poopaskoopa]

If I leave my keys in my car and it gets stolen, it does not make me the thief.

You don't lose the files you're sharing on Kazaa & the like.

Wouldn't record stores be just as guilty of piracy for leaving thier doors unlocked during business hours, and allowing potential thieves to enter the store and walk out with CDs?

But they don't have this problem. But you have millions of users sharing files. The record stores have already paid for the CDs.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
What about if the files are served from a server overseas? Wouldnt that make you untouchable?

It's the only reason Kazaa is still up and running. This may change soon, though.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
What about if the files are served from a server overseas? Wouldnt that make you untouchable?

No ,because THE FBI works in co-operation in the busting of overseasmusic pirates..

 

[Moonbeam]

A lot of people copy music files. They are just zeros and ones right. How can somebody own those. Theft is what others do.

What I do is different since everybody does it. Right

We need to do away with intellectual property rights. You want an education, the right to learn what others have leanred, you forfit any right to profit from what you learn. We can make all human creation strictly voluntry. If you want to work on the linux of life you can. The reward for contribution to human progress or enjoyment will be personal satisfaction only. Or we can owe our parents for our unique genetic design. You owe big time just for being alive.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
A lot of people copy music files. They are just zeros and ones right. How can somebody own those. Theft is what others do.

What I do is different since everybody does it. Right

We need to do away with intellectual property rights. You want an education, the right to learn what others have leanred, you forfit any right to profit from what you learn. We can make all human creation strictly voluntry. If you want to work on the linux of life you can. The reward for contribution to human progress or enjoyment will be personal satisfaction only. Or we can owe our parents for our unique genetic design. You owe big time just for being alive.

OS's are nothing more than a bunch of 0 and 1's as well. As little as the musical artist's make off from each CD how can it be stealing? I'd much rather go to the musical artist's website and download their songs for a mere pittance of what the outrageous markup is on CD's these days.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
A lot of people copy music files. They are just zeros and ones right. How can somebody own those. Theft is what others do.

What I do is different since everybody does it. Right

We need to do away with intellectual property rights. You want an education, the right to learn what others have leanred, you forfit any right to profit from what you learn. We can make all human creation strictly voluntry. If you want to work on the linux of life you can. The reward for contribution to human progress or enjoyment will be personal satisfaction only. Or we can owe our parents for our unique genetic design. You owe big time just for being alive.

LOL my dad gave each of us a lecture one time how we owed him $180,000 ea for raising us.

 

[vi edit]

I think a more proper analogy would be a tech at a service garage leaving the keys taped to the hood of the cars at night with the gates to the lot unlocked and telling some friends that they may "find" something there.

He would be found legaly liable for negligence in that case.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
A lot of people copy music files. They are just zeros and ones right. How can somebody own those. Theft is what others do.

What I do is different since everybody does it. Right

We need to do away with intellectual property rights. You want an education, the right to learn what others have leanred, you forfit any right to profit from what you learn. We can make all human creation strictly voluntry. If you want to work on the linux of life you can. The reward for contribution to human progress or enjoyment will be personal satisfaction only. Or we can owe our parents for our unique genetic design. You owe big time just for being alive.

You know what? I just realized that I am against everything you say. Take whatever you say, make it the opposite and that's what I believe. Doing away with all intellectual property rights is incredibly stupid. Did you flunk out of the third grade? That would mean there would be no more copyrights and no more patents. I could write a novel and try to sell it, but wait! Why would anyone buy it when it's legal to just make photocopies of it, or download it from the internet? Why would anyone buy software if the orginal maker can't make money off it because the first person he sold it to sends it to everyone else in the world for free? How does learning forfit any right profit from using what you learned? Everything I know I learned from somewhere. Does this mean I can never sell my skills to an employer just because someone else invened the computer...someone else developed the C programming language...someone else developed how to encapsulate data. I'm totally screwed under your policies because I can't profit from any of my skills because I learned them. I can see you really thought this out. Downloading music IS THE SAME as walking out the door with a CD.

 

[GermyBoy]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Moonbeam A lot of people copy music files. They are just zeros and ones right. How can somebody own those. Theft is what others do. What I do is different since everybody does it. Right We need to do away with intellectual property rights. You want an education, the right to learn what others have leanred, you forfit any right to profit from what you learn. We can make all human creation strictly voluntry. If you want to work on the linux of life you can. The reward for contribution to human progress or enjoyment will be personal satisfaction only. Or we can owe our parents for our unique genetic design. You owe big time just for being alive.

You know what? I just realized that I am against everything you say. Take whatever you say, make it the opposite and that's what I believe. Doing away with all intellectual property rights is incredibly stupid. Did you flunk out of the third grade? That would mean there would be no more copyrights and no more patents. I could write a novel and try to sell it, but wait! Why would anyone buy it when it's legal to just make photocopies of it, or download it from the internet? Why would anyone buy software if the orginal maker can't make money off it because the first person he sold it to sends it to everyone else in the world for free? How does learning forfit any right profit from using what you learned? Everything I know I learned from somewhere. Does this mean I can never sell my skills to an employer just because someone else invened the computer...someone else developed the C programming language...someone else developed how to encapsulate data. I'm totally screwed under your policies because I can't profit from any of my skills because I learned them. I can see you really thought this out. Downloading music IS THE SAME as walking out the door with a CD.

I believe you are a bit odd. Your ideas are interesting, yet incredibly wrong in my opinion. Why do I come up with new things? Why do some people spend hours making a program 15 lines less?


Because they think it's cool. That's why. Some people get off on how incredibly smart and talented they are. Why don't you understand this? If we all wanted to have something profitable, such as you said, then we'd all be going to school, trying to get educations, instead of busting tires at Sears, or living in a slum.


If they want to sell their skills to the highest bidder, that's fine. But if anything you make isn't rewarded somehow, there is absolutely no reason to make anything anymore, the world would come to a grinding halt, and the government would truely turn into big brother.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

According to the music industry the sound quality of a CD is far superior to that of mp3s. So actually, you are just letting people copy your radio recordings, nothing wrong with that eh?

 

[BSRaider]

kazaa is great

 

[Moonbeam]

Exactly right about the radio or a CD for that matter. Can you be in the room and listen to my CD. If so what's the problem if I make my room bigger and extend it in time. If I invent file sharing to do that, what right has somebody have to stop me. It's somebody's intellectual effort that expands my room.

For millions of years people made music for others for free. What's this artistic rights crap. I should be paid to be an audience. The more poplular a musician becomes the more money he makes so clearly he should pay his audience.

And for christ sakes what the proplem with walking out the door with a CD. Suppose you want to lend one to your neighbor, are you going to crawl out the window. You probably disagree with everything I say because you don't think.

I'll say it again so you can get it through your thick head. When it comes to file sharing:

"What I do is different since everybody does it. Right?"

 

[nachiketa1]

Originally posted by: acidvoodoo
kazaa is bad for rewarding us with a high participation level for uploading more i guess

With the latest version of kazaa lite, you are given a Supreme Being (1000) level.