Why is it that....

[CADsortaGUY]

... that people don't understand that one can support the "green" movement and be "environmental" and still still believe MMGW(now masked as "Climate Change") is an over-hyped hysteria.

Dennis prager is on Supper Club with Tom Bergeron on Planet Green channel and the other people on there don't seem to understand that people see this as a overhyped hoax. They prattle on about melting polar caps and polar bears like good little media followers but they don't understand that they are FALSE(at minimum misleading).p Another line was that we are only one of 4 nations not signed to Kyoto - that is false as well.

I have stated here plenty of times that I'm probably the biggest tree hugging Conservative you'll ever know but there is no way in hell I'm going to buy into this hysteria about MMGW. I think the focus on "green" is great but I'll do it on my own terms - not have it forced based on a faulty premise. IMO, the people who are concerned with MMGW would be better off with the argument that "green" is good because it reduces waste and can be quite practical as well.

BTW, I'm addicted to that channel. I just wish they didn't have the kooks spouting the same MMGW propaganda all the time.

 

[Rainsford]

I'd say the answer should be obvious. You "green" conservatives use incredibly inflammatory rhetoric to present your opinion on MMGW, so it's hard to see why you'd be surprised when people who disagree with your stance on the issue think you're a jackass instead of a smart guy who disagrees with some of their environmental views. Add that to the fact that you use the same rhetoric and arguments as people who use anti-MMGW as a way to attack ALL environmentalism by proxy, and it's pretty obvious why some people would find it hard to believe your alleged stance on environmentalism is anything more than a persona you adopt to make debating easier. You may be totally genuine in your views, but it comes off a lot like the environmental equivalent of someone saying something racist and "defending" it by talking about their "black friend".

 

[Moonbeam]

Things are not at all how you represent them to yourself. You don't realize that you see MMGW as an hysterical viewpoint because the truth purported therein would make YOU hysterical if you believed it. You simply insulate yourself from feeling a terror that is already buried in your unconscious that you are have suppressed. Your terror is so great it makes you blind. That means that people like myself who actually can see because we have faced some of these inner demons are doomed to go extinct with the rest of you fools and there is not a thing we can do about it. You are afraid to see and nothing on earth can give you the courage to know. There is nothing anybody can do to force you. You can't help what happened to you and you can't be made to remember. You will kill the human race and you are totally without guild. You have been forgiven because you know not what you do.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Things are not at all how you represent them to yourself. You don't realize that you see MMGW as an hysterical viewpoint because the truth purported therein would make YOU hysterical if you believed it. You simply insulate yourself from feeling a terror that is already buried in your unconscious that you are have suppressed. Your terror is so great it makes you blind. That means that people like myself who actually can see because we have faced some of these inner demons are doomed to go extinct with the rest of you fools and there is not a thing we can do about it. You are afraid to see and nothing on earth can give you the courage to know. There is nothing anybody can do to force you. You can't help what happened to you and you can't be made to remember. You will kill the human race and you are totally without guild. You have been forgiven because you know not what you do.

QFT - lol

 

[Craig234]

The 'Topic' field is designed to inform the reader of the 'topic' (in this case, global warming), not an uninformative generic 'teaser' (in this case, "Why is it that...")

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Craig234
The 'Topic' field is designed to inform the reader of the 'topic' (in this case, global warming), not an uninformative generic 'teaser' (in this case, "Why is it that...")

Thanks master.


:roll:

 

[Thump553]

A few less acronyms might make your initial posting comprehensible. All I got out of it was it had something to do with environmentalism and possibly global warming.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I'd say the answer should be obvious. You "green" conservatives use incredibly inflammatory rhetoric to present your opinion on MMGW, so it's hard to see why you'd be surprised when people who disagree with your stance on the issue think you're a jackass instead of a smart guy who disagrees with some of their environmental views. Add that to the fact that you use the same rhetoric and arguments as people who use anti-MMGW as a way to attack ALL environmentalism by proxy, and it's pretty obvious why some people would find it hard to believe your alleged stance on environmentalism is anything more than a persona you adopt to make debating easier. You may be totally genuine in your views, but it comes off a lot like the environmental equivalent of someone saying something racist and "defending" it by talking about their "black friend".

I see it the other way and that is why I posted this here. One of the guys said that the scientists who dispute MMGW are "kooks". It's no different here or elsewhere. The MMGW believers instantly dismiss anyone who tries to question it, using any means necessary - be it charactor assasination or outright smears.
As to your suggestion that I "use the same rhetoric" - well, that is debatable at best but still has ZERO bearing on my stance and is nothing more than an attempt by you to excuse/use guilt by association. It's OK Rainsford, I know it's tough to believe that people like me exist since you've been told for so long by the leftist propagandists that Conservatives and Republicans just want to rape the planet.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Things are not at all how you represent them to yourself. You don't realize that you see MMGW as an hysterical viewpoint because the truth purported therein would make YOU hysterical if you believed it. You simply insulate yourself from feeling a terror that is already buried in your unconscious that you are have suppressed. Your terror is so great it makes you blind. That means that people like myself who actually can see because we have faced some of these inner demons are doomed to go extinct with the rest of you fools and there is not a thing we can do about it. You are afraid to see and nothing on earth can give you the courage to know. There is nothing anybody can do to force you. You can't help what happened to you and you can't be made to remember. You will kill the human race and you are totally without guild. You have been forgiven because you know not what you do.

...OR I've looked at it from a rational and logical standpoint and find it to be hysteria. But it's OK moonbeam, I understand some people's need to live in a hysterical bubble, it gives them a cause and a reason to feel important.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Thump553
A few less acronyms might make your initial posting comprehensible. All I got out of it was it had something to do with environmentalism and possibly global warming.

Supper Club with Tom Bergeron on Planet Green channel = SC w. T.Bergeron on PLGN

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I'd say the answer should be obvious. You "green" conservatives use incredibly inflammatory rhetoric to present your opinion on MMGW, so it's hard to see why you'd be surprised when people who disagree with your stance on the issue think you're a jackass instead of a smart guy who disagrees with some of their environmental views. Add that to the fact that you use the same rhetoric and arguments as people who use anti-MMGW as a way to attack ALL environmentalism by proxy, and it's pretty obvious why some people would find it hard to believe your alleged stance on environmentalism is anything more than a persona you adopt to make debating easier. You may be totally genuine in your views, but it comes off a lot like the environmental equivalent of someone saying something racist and "defending" it by talking about their "black friend".

I see it the other way and that is why I posted this here. One of the guys said that the scientists who dispute MMGW are "kooks". It's no different here or elsewhere. The MMGW believers instantly dismiss anyone who tries to question it, using any means necessary - be it charactor assasination or outright smears.
As to your suggestion that I "use the same rhetoric" - well, that is debatable at best but still has ZERO bearing on my stance and is nothing more than an attempt by you to excuse/use guilt by association. It's OK Rainsford, I know it's tough to believe that people like me exist since you've been told for so long by the leftist propagandists that Conservatives and Republicans just want to rape the planet.

Nah, we've seen the commercials where Newt Gingrich sits down with Nancy Pelosi and tells the world he believes "...together we can solve the climate crisis." I think the problem with you, specifically, and most of the MMGW-denial types, is that you BELIEVE so STRONGLY that man ISN'T responsible for GW. You're the exact same as the folks who believe man IS responsible with no caveats, just at the other end of the logical spectrum.

What makes it difficult to take your end of the spectrum seriously, is that you tend to cling to the often unsupported opinion of some kook without a shred of evidence, or some scam-riddled petition of "climate scientists" and on and on. At least the MMGW crowd has the majority of sane climate scientists on their side. What do you have? A gut feeling?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Things are not at all how you represent them to yourself. You don't realize that you see MMGW as an hysterical viewpoint because the truth purported therein would make YOU hysterical if you believed it. You simply insulate yourself from feeling a terror that is already buried in your unconscious that you are have suppressed. Your terror is so great it makes you blind. That means that people like myself who actually can see because we have faced some of these inner demons are doomed to go extinct with the rest of you fools and there is not a thing we can do about it. You are afraid to see and nothing on earth can give you the courage to know. There is nothing anybody can do to force you. You can't help what happened to you and you can't be made to remember. You will kill the human race and you are totally without guild. You have been forgiven because you know not what you do.

...OR I've looked at it from a rational and logical standpoint and find it to be hysteria. But it's OK moonbeam, I understand some people's need to live in a hysterical bubble, it gives them a cause and a reason to feel important.

I guess, in addition to shitting in your pants over global warming, you also need to feel important. Projection is really pretty simple to understand. You see your own fears as the imaginary fears of others and your own needs as the needs of others. As to rational and logical, you are, in my opinion, and I think famously here on Anandtech, an off-the-charts irrational and illogical loon.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Things are not at all how you represent them to yourself. You don't realize that you see MMGW as an hysterical viewpoint because the truth purported therein would make YOU hysterical if you believed it. You simply insulate yourself from feeling a terror that is already buried in your unconscious that you are have suppressed. Your terror is so great it makes you blind. That means that people like myself who actually can see because we have faced some of these inner demons are doomed to go extinct with the rest of you fools and there is not a thing we can do about it. You are afraid to see and nothing on earth can give you the courage to know. There is nothing anybody can do to force you. You can't help what happened to you and you can't be made to remember. You will kill the human race and you are totally without guild. You have been forgiven because you know not what you do.

...OR I've looked at it from a rational and logical standpoint and find it to be hysteria. But it's OK moonbeam, I understand some people's need to live in a hysterical bubble, it gives them a cause and a reason to feel important.

I guess, in addition to shitting in your pants over global warming, you also need to feel important. Projection is really pretty simple to understand. You see your own fears as the imaginary fears of others and your own needs as the needs of others. As to rational and logical, you are, in my opinion, and I think famously here on Anandtech, an off-the-charts irrational and illogical loon.

elll ohhh ell

 

[naddicott]

There's plenty of legitimate reasons to find fault with some of the public figures who make a dumbed down case for MMGW. Jumping on the other bandwagon (which has plenty of faulty arguments amongst its talking heads as well) as a result is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, IMO.

That said, if you truly support green 'actions', whatever the reasons, then I don't really see the point in trying to change your mind about the reasons. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Thump553
A few less acronyms might make your initial posting comprehensible. All I got out of it was it had something to do with environmentalism and possibly global warming.

Supper Club with Tom Bergeron on Planet Green channel = SC w. T.Bergeron on PLGN

And MMGW? I absolutely detest made up acronyms not in common use.

Do you see my point about how unclear the original post is unless you know the code it is posted in?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Thump553
A few less acronyms might make your initial posting comprehensible. All I got out of it was it had something to do with environmentalism and possibly global warming.

Supper Club with Tom Bergeron on Planet Green channel = SC w. T.Bergeron on PLGN

And MMGW? I absolutely detest made up acronyms not in common use.

Do you see my point about how unclear the original post is unless you know the code it is posted in?

No, because I pulled the exact wording from the OP.

MMGW - You seriously don't know what that means? It's frequently used here in P&N. MMGW = Man Made Global Warming Sheesh.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Things are not at all how you represent them to yourself. You don't realize that you see MMGW as an hysterical viewpoint because the truth purported therein would make YOU hysterical if you believed it. You simply insulate yourself from feeling a terror that is already buried in your unconscious that you are have suppressed. Your terror is so great it makes you blind. That means that people like myself who actually can see because we have faced some of these inner demons are doomed to go extinct with the rest of you fools and there is not a thing we can do about it. You are afraid to see and nothing on earth can give you the courage to know. There is nothing anybody can do to force you. You can't help what happened to you and you can't be made to remember. You will kill the human race and you are totally without guild. You have been forgiven because you know not what you do.

...OR I've looked at it from a rational and logical standpoint and find it to be hysteria. But it's OK moonbeam, I understand some people's need to live in a hysterical bubble, it gives them a cause and a reason to feel important.

I guess, in addition to shitting in your pants over global warming, you also need to feel important. Projection is really pretty simple to understand. You see your own fears as the imaginary fears of others and your own needs as the needs of others. As to rational and logical, you are, in my opinion, and I think famously here on Anandtech, an off-the-charts irrational and illogical loon.

I do not fear Global warming but I constantly hear the alarmism being shouted by the MMGW crowd. An example of that alarmism(and misinformation) on last night's show - which is why I posted about it here.
Yeah, I have no doubt you think I'm irrational and a loon, I and many here think the same as you. Now where exactly does that fit into the OP? Oh right... it doesn't.

 

[SAWYER]

I could have swore back in the 70's 80's it was global cooling that was going to be the end of us all.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I constantly hear the alarmism being shouted by the MMGW crowd

This might be because for the past 20 years everyone from republican presidents to every energy company denied there was any problem with global warming at all. When you speak rationally to people about an environmental problem and find your concerns dismissed and ignored at every turn, the volume must be increased until some movement occurs. The alarmists generated enough concern among the populace that political leaders and corporations were forced to acknowledge the issue. Had the tone remained calm and civil Bush would be saying the same thing about global warming that he does about evolution: "the jury is still out".

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I'd say the answer should be obvious. You "green" conservatives use incredibly inflammatory rhetoric to present your opinion on MMGW, so it's hard to see why you'd be surprised when people who disagree with your stance on the issue think you're a jackass instead of a smart guy who disagrees with some of their environmental views. Add that to the fact that you use the same rhetoric and arguments as people who use anti-MMGW as a way to attack ALL environmentalism by proxy, and it's pretty obvious why some people would find it hard to believe your alleged stance on environmentalism is anything more than a persona you adopt to make debating easier. You may be totally genuine in your views, but it comes off a lot like the environmental equivalent of someone saying something racist and "defending" it by talking about their "black friend".

I see it the other way and that is why I posted this here. One of the guys said that the scientists who dispute MMGW are "kooks". It's no different here or elsewhere. The MMGW believers instantly dismiss anyone who tries to question it, using any means necessary - be it charactor assasination or outright smears.
As to your suggestion that I "use the same rhetoric" - well, that is debatable at best but still has ZERO bearing on my stance and is nothing more than an attempt by you to excuse/use guilt by association. It's OK Rainsford, I know it's tough to believe that people like me exist since you've been told for so long by the leftist propagandists that Conservatives and Republicans just want to rape the planet.

Nah, we've seen the commercials where Newt Gingrich sits down with Nancy Pelosi and tells the world he believes "...together we can solve the climate crisis." I think the problem with you, specifically, and most of the MMGW-denial types, is that you BELIEVE so STRONGLY that man ISN'T responsible for GW. You're the exact same as the folks who believe man IS responsible with no caveats, just at the other end of the logical spectrum.

What makes it difficult to take your end of the spectrum seriously, is that you tend to cling to the often unsupported opinion of some kook without a shred of evidence, or some scam-riddled petition of "climate scientists" and on and on. At least the MMGW crowd has the majority of sane climate scientists on their side. What do you have? A gut feeling?

Hold on there tiger, no where did I say man doesn't contribute to our climate. However, the meme of the alarmists is that we alone are causing it and that we can and should stop it. There are theories about what is causing warming(although we've been cooling for 10 years) but correlation /= causation. Thus, "climate change" was born because they knew their "facts" didn't add up.
Again, you seem to be no different than the guy last night who called the scientists on the "other side", "kooks".... as if character assasination makes an argument.

Also, even IF(big IF) MMGW was real, is it something that is a true "crisis" or is it over-hyped? No one can say what it will do, all they have are "models" and theories. Then comes the issue of the "fix"....but again it all relies on that first big IF.

One last thing, I don't need a "crisis" to be "green" - I do it because I feel it's the right decision for myself. The "crisis" and hysteria is used by some to sell the idea. I liken it to how some of you now claim Bush "misled" us into war by "playing on our fears"... Same tactic - different topic. However, Bush had nothing to do with my support for removing Saddam and the "crisis" has nothing to do with my hippyness. I was this way FAR before the MMGW religion got big.

 

[DealMonkey]

So it takes you 4 going on 5 paragraphs to quibble over what % man contributes to global warming?