Why is it that Clear CMOS is still a JUMPER?

[imported_Tick]

Why not, like, a BUTTON or TOGGLE SWITCH?

 

[Raduque]

To make you b1tch.

Jumpers are probably much cheaper then a switch or button. Or would you like it better if they simply eschewed a device completely, and you have to unplug the PSU & pull the cmos battery?

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: Raduque
To make you b1tch.

Jumpers are probably much cheaper then a switch or button. Or would you like it better if they simply eschewed a device completely, and you have to unplug the PSU & pull the cmos battery?

I would be willing to pay 30 cents more for a switch....

 

[imported_Kensai]

The MSI K8N Neo4 SLI and Platinum have buttons.

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: Kensai
The MSI K8N Neo4 SLI and Platinum have buttons.

DAMN YOU!

 

[MobiusPizza]

How often do you need to reset your CMOS?
A jumper is more secure. You wouldn't want a thief who can Just press a button to reset your computer CMOS password

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
How often do you need to reset your CMOS?
A jumper is more secure. You wouldn't want a thief who can Just press a button to reset your computer CMOS password

I need to reset my CMOS every 2 seconds. Anyway, what would it hurt to add a switch? Personally, someone resetting my CMOS is not a big issue. If they intend to get into my case, that's the last thing I'm worried about.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Tick
I need to reset my CMOS every 2 seconds. Anyway, what would it hurt to add a switch? Personally, someone resetting my CMOS is not a big issue. If they intend to get into my case, that's the last thing I'm worried about.

If you seriously need to reset the CMOS every 2 seconds, then you need to stay very far away from any and all computer hardware.

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Tick
I need to reset my CMOS every 2 seconds. Anyway, what would it hurt to add a switch? Personally, someone resetting my CMOS is not a big issue. If they intend to get into my case, that's the last thing I'm worried about.

If you seriously need to reset the CMOS every 2 seconds, then you need to stay very far away from any and all computer hardware.

Considering it takes more than 2 seconds to boot and write a response... Are you completely imune to sarcasm?

 

[MobiusPizza]

You have to realise, in the market, it's the main stream that drives development. If more than say 20% or more of people requested such a switch and there's a market for it; the product makers would consider it.

I do not know how many people in this whole universe would reset their CMOS every 2 seconds or so. My good guess is there wouldn't be a lot. Not even 1% of the market

You might like to pay 30 cents more for the extra switch; but that'd be selfish to other majority of people like me who never would touch the CMOS reset jumper to even pay extra 3 cents.

 

[imported_Kensai]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: Kensai
The MSI K8N Neo4 SLI and Platinum have buttons.

DAMN YOU!

And add the fact that I try to push OCing and push and push and push. The buttons come in handy.

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
You have to realise, in the market, it's the main stream that drives development. If more than say 20% or more of people requested such a switch and there's a market for it; the product makers would consider it.

I do not know how many people in this whole universe would reset their CMOS every 2 seconds or so. My good guess is there wouldn't be a lot. Not even 1% of the market

You might like to pay 30 cents more for the extra switch; but that'd be selfish to other majority of people like me who never would touch the CMOS reset jumper to even pay extra 3 cents.

It's called sarcasm.. I've reset it like 4 times now. Anyway, is Joe Consumer affected by 30 cents?

 

[biostud]

So only those who dare to use a jumper interfere with it. And so it's not done by coincidence.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: biostud
So only those who dare to use a jumper interfere with it. And so it's not done by coincidence.

That, and Joe Sixpacks have a tendency to push buttons.... "OOOh, a button, let's see what this does!"

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: Raduque

That, and Joe Sixpacks have a tendency to push buttons.... "OOOh, a button, let's see what this does!"

With the amount of damage some people can do with a mouse I wouldn't want them near anything CMOS related. On higher end, OC'ing friendly mobos it would be a nice feature but not a deal breaker.

edit:SP

 

[stevty2889]

Well if you want it to be done with a switch..just wire in your own switch..get a 2 postition switch, and 3 wires. Solder 1 wire to each pin on the motherboard, solder them in order on the 2 position switch, and now you have a switch to clear the cmos..

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: stevty2889
Well if you want it to be done with a switch..just wire in your own switch..get a 2 postition switch, and 3 wires. Solder 1 wire to each pin on the motherboard, solder them in order on the 2 position switch, and now you have a switch to clear the cmos..

I personally, would take that a step further and mount the switch in the front panel of the case on a bay cover or something. Or wire it to the reset switch or something =)

 

[Jiggz]

Go ahead and buy a switch to your liking and then connect it to the jumper pins. The switch should be a momentary normally closed type, double pole which mean it will open when pushed and close another set of contacts. Radio Shack should have this.

 

[MobiusPizza]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
You have to realise, in the market, it's the main stream that drives development. If more than say 20% or more of people requested such a switch and there's a market for it; the product makers would consider it.

I do not know how many people in this whole universe would reset their CMOS every 2 seconds or so. My good guess is there wouldn't be a lot. Not even 1% of the market

You might like to pay 30 cents more for the extra switch; but that'd be selfish to other majority of people like me who never would touch the CMOS reset jumper to even pay extra 3 cents.

It's called sarcasm.. I've reset it like 4 times now. Anyway, is Joe Consumer affected by 30 cents?

I knew you were being sarcastic, that's why I went with it.
I'd call the nine thousand nine hundred and ninety nine people to donate their 30 cent to charity instead of wasting both money and world resources for ten thousand switchs that only 1 out of ten thousand people would benefit. Not to mention the enviornmental impact; no matter how small, it's still an impact.

If you think you need it, just grab a toggle switch off your local DIY store and solder one with your own effort. Your hands and your brain are born to adapt to the enviornment where things are not always available. I see that while animals are evolving in this world human are going the other way.

This world is always unfair. It's unfair to me as well. There are ocasions that people aren't gonna help me because my need was so specific and I've to help myself. It's an analogy that is true for most situations in this world.

When you design a product in this market,you go for mainstream and tries to minimise costs as much as possible for reasons in all the environmental, production, yield, time-saving departments. It's only cost-effective in cases when the
i) Implementaion is cheap
ii) Many people would benefit from it.

In your cases obviously benefit is close to neligible
How many people would say:
"Ah that motherboard hasn't got a CMOS reset switch, that's crap! I ain't gonna buy it"
The manufacturer'd need to order switches which is not part of raw material of the normal catalogue.

Or, think of it from another angle. What else can 30 cent do? If the motherboard maker use that 30 cent to upgrade say one of the capacitor of the board to make it more stable; I'd say that investment is better for the general public than a switch that is only use by few.

 

[BillyBatson]

because it would be more expensive, and you would have to hold down the button as you power up then down
though a switch could work it would sitll be expensive

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: BillyBatson
because it would be more expensive, and you would have to hold down the button as you power up then down
though a switch could work it would sitll be expensive

To add to the best summary/answer I see ... It is that power up and down. Less risk of a screw up on a live board. A jumper would be static while a button would add a dynamic change to the board and risk roaming fingers.

 

[arcas]

If you find yourself needing to clear your CMOS often, it's not difficult to attach a switch to the "clear CMOS" jumper posts. No need to solder anything to the mainboard. Just buy a Molex KK series terminal housing and crimp wires to the terminals. Then connect the wires to a switch.

I can't imagine that there are a sufficient number of people who routinely clear their CMOS for a manufacturer to justify including switches in their design. Maybe a manufacturer who's explicitly targetting the overclocking market could justify it but not for mainstream boards.

 

[scooter1]

I can understand the benefits of having a switch or a button for clearing cmos. When I first built my pc I had to clear cmos several times while doing some troubleshooting and it would have been a lot more convenient to have a switch than a jumper especially considering how difficult it is to reach into the case between all of the cables to change it.

I can also understand concerns about having a switch or a button since it would be easier to accidentally clear cmos. I can imagine a cable getting caught on a switch or someone accidentally hitting a button while trying to install a new hard drive or something.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: arcas
If you find yourself needing to clear your CMOS often, it's not difficult to attach a switch to the "clear CMOS" jumper posts. No need to solder anything to the mainboard. Just buy a Molex KK series terminal housing and crimp wires to the terminals. Then connect the wires to a switch.

I can't imagine that there are a sufficient number of people who routinely clear their CMOS for a manufacturer to justify including switches in their design. Maybe a manufacturer who's explicitly targetting the overclocking market could justify it but not for mainstream boards.

Ha! You put the picture in my mind... Yes, solder. On the outside of the case is one of those red, covered switches with the words EMERGENCY emblazed on it...

 

[t3h l337 n3wb]

I hate resetting CMOS... First time I did it, I couldn't find the jumper and it took me like an hour...