Nobody is saying start a new career here, but a job you're overqualified for is better than no job at all if you're in need of money. Unskilled labor that you have no interest in? Yeah it sucks, but if thats what it takes for now you gotta deal with it. Get A job first and then starting worrying about getting a job w/ one of your interests and skills.
BD231
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Gotta have the certs man, in fact you should have gotten those first. No worries, get a crappy job that pays 10 bucks and hour and get the rest of the schooling you need that way. JUST because you went to school so long dose not mean things automatically happen which kinna blows, but with the job market the way it is, sometimes you just have to take the short end of the stick and get a simple job you can support yourself on while you look around for a job you REALLY want. Just a thought, if you keep looking I'm sure you'll find something that works for you, but mooching off the rents only works for so long
.Try doing part time non-career related work and use the other time to volunteer at an IT shop perhaps? That's what I'm trying to do right now at the place I work for. A lot of places hire from within as well, so find a business that will pay the bills and provide you with future opportunities.
FlashG
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I got my 1st job after graduating from college in 1970 by working for the Wayne County Sheriffs ?Collecting donations for Circus Tickets?. The pay was OK but the kicker was I actually delivered the tickets and collected donations from local business such as McCullough Steel, various engineering firms, Wyandotte Chemical, etc. Then I would make out a job application and hand them my resume.
The VP at Holley Carburetor hired me as a management trainee during one of those visits. It wasn?t much pay but it got me started.
Just be creative and sell yourself.
The VP at Holley Carburetor hired me as a management trainee during one of those visits. It wasn?t much pay but it got me started.
Just be creative and sell yourself.
Koing
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In 1970 the Internet wasn't here or in any public form. The pc wasn't commercial either......
Hope you get lucky.
I'm glad I'm in England. No shortage of jobs in England in any field so thats good for me. Everyones hiring if you have a good degree. I'm also hooked with this company and they'll give me a summer internship so thats more money and some real experience in a big company (Hell this company is giving me £1k a year for my Uni degree as part of this scolarship program). If they don't then I'll apply through Uni and get a summer job with a company hopefully.
Originally posted by: BD231
Gotta have the certs man, in fact you should have gotten those first. No worries, get a crappy job that pays 10 bucks and hour and get the rest of the schooling you need that way. JUST because you went to school so long dose not mean things automatically happen which kinna blows, but with the job market the way it is, sometimes you just have to take the short end of the stick and get a simple job you can support yourself on while you look around for a job you REALLY want. Just a thought, if you keep looking I'm sure you'll find something that works for you, but mooching off the rents only works for so long
Once again, I disagree. He already has a degree with no practical experience. Getting certs, with no experience, is not going to do him any good.
I know that in the U.S. the people who do the hiring laugh their asses off when they interview someone with certs and no experience. Hell, there are people out there looking for jobs who have 10 to 15 years of real life, on the job experience. Times are tough and when you can't find the job you want you chang gears and go after something else.
hey man. i can seriously sympathize. i moved to columbus, ohio and worked with this company as a civil engineer. things were going great until the economy took a nose dive and now i am unemployed. i have been in this situation since august and i can't find jack. the market sucks right now. hope you get something soon.
FlashG
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The point I?m trying to make is that personal contact makes the sale. That?s why businesses have marketing departments that go out and meet with customers. Be your own marketing department and design a way to meet the people whose business you want to be in.
I think I got lucky when I decided to go against the grain and opt for a molecular bio degree rather than a EE/CS degree a few years back. I was banging my head against the wall during the whole dot.com era, but have been celebrating since the dot.bomb. I didn't really have much of a problem getting a job last year and still don't see myself having a hard time finding a job. I guess it helps when so many research labs out there are government funded rather than privately funded. Even then, the biotech companies which are privately funded are still doing better when it comes to employment than companies in other sectors.
Koing
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I know I was just making a point. Its mostly luck in cases that you get a job and get contacts.
I got a lucky scolarship with a company so now they are most probably going to give me a summer job and I get money and real experience. That'll look good on my CV. I'll do this for all my summers if I like it at their place. If not I'll go work somewhere else. A guy at my Uni got an internship with Shell and he got to go live in Scotland for 8 weeks and get a place to live and get paid £350 which is good money, about the bottom end I can expect to earn after my degree.
Again I'm thankful that Englands economy is good and I hope it stays like this when I finish my degree though....
Yes, I am! Truck driving is my third career. I've been president of a corporation and everthing in between. I just got tired of the 'game' and literally told my boss to kiss my ass!
I found myself without a job. Huge bills and not wanting to continue in the field.
Piss on the money! I WILL not play that game again.
So I went to Truck Driving School. Got a License and made lots of money.
The 'Profession' requires more work than 99% are willing to put out.
One hundred twenty nine people graduated from the class I was in. After 4 years of work I am the only one still with the job I started. Think the SEALS are tough? I've been doing it for twelve years now.
The job defies description.
I just took a local job with with less pay to spend more time with my family.
DO NOT bitch about jobs!
You do not want to work! These jobs have always been there. But some consider themselves just too good to actually work for a living!
Come down of your high-horse.
Fluxquantum, I feel your pain! I'm in Columbus too -- still don't have a "real" job since graduating from OSU a year ago (business-marketing). I never understood the importance of networking in school, so now I'm SOL. Hang in there! Heck, I'm thinking about moving.
StageLeft
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I don't know what you've gone through, but for a guy who just got out of school and has devoted 4 years of his life towards pursuing something it's easier said than done switching from that to something like truck driving. If there are NO jobs in IT now and none in 6 months, then he should probably give up on IT, but until that happens he has to give it his best shot. You can't just jump from profession to profession because you'll never master anything. You'll never excel in one career track and you'll be continually starting at the bottom rung. If you have two options:
1) Spend 6 months looking for work in your field and finally getting it.
2) Getting a job at the local factory working a printing machine at $11/hour
Clearly the best option is #1. The question, of course, is will 6 months even be adequate? For many people in IT at the moment the answer is no. IT is unlike any other industry at the moment in how much it is swamped. Some say "it's picking up" but the fact is (I believe) that it won't "pick up" for a year or two minimum. Needless to say it will NEVER be as attactive an industry to the employee as it was in the past.
There are too many people looking for work in IT. In this case perhaps your advice, tominator, is dead on, but for those in other careers that are not so up the creek without a paddle, simply saying that "there are jobs at the Gap and USPS doing mail delivery and I don't wanna hear your whining about it" is short changing what their potential is.
FlashG
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Koing
"I know I was just making a point. Its mostly luck in cases that you get a job and get contacts."
I mostly agree but I think you can even out the odds if you work at it. Most jobs are created due to need. It's up to the individual to define that need around his or her abilities and present themselves as the "most desirable" solution.
That means that you have to target what you want to do and where you want to work. Mass mailings or spamming the industry with resumes is not the answer.
AND, as some others have stated, today?s business climate is not for everybody. Thank god for that. We need good truck drivers and good roofers and mechanics that want to do what they do and enjoy their work.
A college degree is not the answer for everyone. Believe me I know because I have 4 of them and I?m glad I have them. I personally know experienced and certified auto mechanics that make twice what I do. And they love their work and are darn good at it.
I think the most important thing in life is to enjoy what you do. If money follows your path, that?s great, if not, that?s OK cause you like what you are doing.
?Again I'm thankful that Englands economy is good and I hope it stays like this when I finish my degree though....?
I?m glad that someone?s economy is doing well. From the work activity that I?ve seen this week I hope that the US economy is starting back on an upswing.
"I know I was just making a point. Its mostly luck in cases that you get a job and get contacts."
I mostly agree but I think you can even out the odds if you work at it. Most jobs are created due to need. It's up to the individual to define that need around his or her abilities and present themselves as the "most desirable" solution.
That means that you have to target what you want to do and where you want to work. Mass mailings or spamming the industry with resumes is not the answer.
AND, as some others have stated, today?s business climate is not for everybody. Thank god for that. We need good truck drivers and good roofers and mechanics that want to do what they do and enjoy their work.
A college degree is not the answer for everyone. Believe me I know because I have 4 of them and I?m glad I have them. I personally know experienced and certified auto mechanics that make twice what I do. And they love their work and are darn good at it.
I think the most important thing in life is to enjoy what you do. If money follows your path, that?s great, if not, that?s OK cause you like what you are doing.
?Again I'm thankful that Englands economy is good and I hope it stays like this when I finish my degree though....?
I?m glad that someone?s economy is doing well. From the work activity that I?ve seen this week I hope that the US economy is starting back on an upswing.
Computer Engineering is a pretty complex task, most of the jobs are realted to hardware design or embedded programming. Most companies don't want to hire recent college graduates since it is a big risk, and you can't predict how long it will take for the person to become productive in their environment. I graduated last year with a computer engineering degree(from a decent top school...georgia tech) and was basiaclly rejected for anything related in that field due to lack of experience. Then i stopped limiting myself and found a really good job doing software test engineering. Granted it is not as complex or challenging as computer engineering, but I have a job and I get paid "really" well with excellent benefits. My adivce is don't get bent up with finding a job in your "dream" field, try something else.
Your posts make me laugh. You CHOSE to become a truck driver even though you had a job in another field, and you are comparing yourself to people who have devoted years to their field and cannot even find a job. It's not the same situation and it makes no sense for you to go on posting about it.
As far as a "real job" goes, truck driving is no more a real job than computer engineer. The physicality of the job means nothing. The fact that engineers have to learn intensely difficult material and keep up with technology changes while working long hours makes it a real job. White collar jobs require training and a level of intelligence that driving a truck or other blue collar jobs don't, and that is why they pay so well.
If I had to drive a truck for a living, I would do it. But if I can find a job in a field I enjoy and do well then it's nonsense to suggest that everyone become truck drivers or factory workers. That's a tremendous waste of the resources of our workers and would hurt the economy in the long run.
As far as a "real job" goes, truck driving is no more a real job than computer engineer. The physicality of the job means nothing. The fact that engineers have to learn intensely difficult material and keep up with technology changes while working long hours makes it a real job. White collar jobs require training and a level of intelligence that driving a truck or other blue collar jobs don't, and that is why they pay so well.
If I had to drive a truck for a living, I would do it. But if I can find a job in a field I enjoy and do well then it's nonsense to suggest that everyone become truck drivers or factory workers. That's a tremendous waste of the resources of our workers and would hurt the economy in the long run.
That's right. Everyone makes choices and you CHOOSE not to work!
There are truck drivers out there from every profession in the world. I've spoken to PHDs and aircraft engineers that found themselves needing a job and CHOSE to go to work.
I do not deny how hard IT professionals work, but I can tell you that the drive part of truck driver in no way tells the job description.
Drivers make decisions everyday that have the potential to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and deal with government agencies that would have a saint cussing and pulling their hair out!
This is my third career and I'm looking for another even now.
There are truck drivers out there from every profession in the world. I've spoken to PHDs and aircraft engineers that found themselves needing a job and CHOSE to go to work.
I do not deny how hard IT professionals work, but I can tell you that the drive part of truck driver in no way tells the job description.
Drivers make decisions everyday that have the potential to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and deal with government agencies that would have a saint cussing and pulling their hair out!
This is my third career and I'm looking for another even now.
Try going thru a divorce and then losing your job...then going 4 months submitting resumes, going on interviews and always being told you're at the top of the list and then find out later that some other person was picked.
That is suck.
Oh yeah, and now having to sell the house, too.
Yep...it's tough out there! At least here. And I've been cold-calling places, submitting resumes left and right and to placement firms. If I could move, I would, Cleveland seems to have some IT jobs.
That is suck.
Oh yeah, and now having to sell the house, too.
Yep...it's tough out there! At least here. And I've been cold-calling places, submitting resumes left and right and to placement firms. If I could move, I would, Cleveland seems to have some IT jobs.
Jeff7
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Same here. Got college training with Cisco, Win2k server, Novell....no one wants that it seems. I haven't considered other fields much yet, because I don't really know what else I would want to do. I'm not good at much else, and I don't really know that much else, at least, not anything that could help me get a job. "I read Stephen Hawking's books, and they make sense. Pay me money now."
Just got a job at Walmart - oh yay. At orientation, the manager tells us all that Walmart managers make anywhere from $65K-$200K a year, without a college education. Kind of makes you a little nuts. Oh, and did I mention the big bonuses that managers get?
I kind of wish I could score a job somewhere just maintaining a network of PC's - basic maintenance, troubleshooting, etc. I was at a job fair too, and everyone is looking for IT/computer work, and there is hardly anything. The few places that had IT openings were utterly swamped with people.
Well, during the week, there are usually zero ads in the IT section of the classifieds for the newspaper I get; maybe one sometimes. Sunday might see up to 5 - all looking for advanced people to do Oracle database programming and setup, or maybe CCIE's, or ppl with 10+ yrs experience.
Most "computer jobs" out there are data entry paying around $10 an hour or less provided you can type very fast for a long time.
Yeah, that's about when I was in college too. Got all the 733t (sp?
) skillz, then get out to discover that they are no longer needed. The college I went to does internships for Cisco by sending the students to other companies - they had to 'employ' the people at the college, because no businesses would even hire on interns.I'm currently in the IT field now. I'm an IS Manager for an insurance company and I've been doing this for over a year now. On top of my bachelors degree, I'm also MCSE and A+ certified. Well, as I saw the industry shrink, I decided to return to school for my MBA in Information System Management. I'm leaving the tech field and getting into management. From there, I want to teach.
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