Why is it hard to find a job in the specified conditions?

Amol S.

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Why is it hard to find a first job with no work experience in tech, and at the same time bound to one city only (can only look for a job in a specific city)? If no one lets those who apply have a shot, then eventually there will be no more qualified candidates that remain.
 

pete6032

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This appears to be a complaint in the form of a question. Not sure you are actually looking for answers.
 
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deadlyapp

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I promise you, there are more than enough candidates and a position will wait for the right one rather than settling for one that will only cost them money to train and then wash out. If you struggle to find a position, then you are looking at too high level - sometimes you have to start lower level in order to prove you have a work ethic. Binding yourself to a single city is also the worst idea - the job market is limited, and the candidate pool may be high. You should always be willing to relocate for a position, especially one to get your foot in the door.
 

Pohemi

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"...in tech" is pretty vague and wide-ranging as well. It won't help if these positions you are seeking can be done remotely...

I'm guessing you aren't looking at scientific or engineering jobs if it is 'entry level', but "tech" is one of the largest umbrella keywords in our modern society. It doesn't really mean much because it covers so many industries.
 

snoopy7548

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Why are you limiting yourself to one city (if it's not a major city)? That's probably your problem.
 

herm0016

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the people hiring seem to think that 20 or 30 bucks an hour should be fine for someone with a combined total over several categories of 50 years of experience doing specific things. yes, a real posting.

just got one the other day for a major aerospace company that was listed at 25 per hr and required at least a BS and preferred a masters degree and 10+ years experience with precision metrology and laser measuring equipment.

the people looking generally have some crazy expectation for the exact person they want to hire at a low rate. I think its because people lie and cheat on their resumes to get in the door.
 

Red Squirrel

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They need to prove to the union that they tried to hire someone local. When that fails then they just outsource it to India. It's crazy the amount of jobs that set requirements super high like requiring 10 years of experience in a tech that has not even been around that long. Sometimes they also just have a person in mind.

My favourite is when I quit my job in IT and they posted the job to find someone to replace me, and I did not even qualify for my own job that I had already been doing for years. Nobody applied so they ended up outsourcing it. Funny thing is, they were already outsourcing it... since I was a contractor so it was outsourced to me. But they wanted to outsource to some big company out of town instead I guess.

Even the job I have now, it's an easy cushy job but I barely qualified. One of the requirements was having experience on DMS100 switches. I had a very small amount of experience from help desk days though so I applied. You can't exactly buy one of those on ebay and start learning at home either lol. It takes up a whole room.
 

deadlyapp

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Experience listed on a job description should never be taken as a reason why you shouldn't apply. I've never been experienced enough for any of the positions I've had (my last one required 15 years of experience and I had only been in the field for 6) but you should be able to easily demonstrate that your knowledge is on par with someone who has that level of experience. If they put 10 years of experience, all they're trying to do is weed out people who would never get past a simple phone screen.

Similarly, pay scales and pay ranges are always negotiable, unless you're in strict government work and the job has a set pay range. You should easily be able to justify why you're worth more, and if you can't figure out how to say it, then you probably aren't worth more. For highly specific fields, where the qualified candidates are rare, you can easily walk away from the offer if its too low. Simply say - hey, if you can find someone to do the job for that much, then great, but I know I'm worth XX, so if you can increase the salary and come back with a meaningful offer, then I'll accept it.

I've turned down plenty of jobs where they had limited their pay range to below market expectations, and I told them that.

Also - not every company is trying to intentionally fuck you over, and very few jobs are actually unionized unless you're a laborer. Yes, occasionally jobs are posted with a specific internal candidate in mind, and they just have to be externally posted to make HR happy - I've definitely done that - but usually they will never even interview, so it's not like they're taking you on a wild goose chase. If you see a job posting that is at least a few days old or longer, it's usually a safe bet.