Rant Why is female nudity considered "bad" (for career) but sex scenes in movies are "norm"?

[YuliApp]

OK this bugs me for a long time.

- Female nudity (and to some extend even partial one, bikinis, etc) is considered bad, not only for career but often portrayed as a bad personality treat.
- Leaked home video is absolute disaster

While at the same time.

- Letting someone grind naked on you 2 hours on the movie set with 20 people watching is not "scandalous", often discussed to the detail in daily shows, etc.

Imo 99% of the time sex scenes, at least so detailed, are not necessary for the movie to get any better. I know it is money issue for most actors and actresses, but how come society accepted it? How actresses accepted it?

How do you view it as independent observer and how would you compare these if your partner was a part of it:

Case 1) Actress/actor does Playboy pictorial
Case 2) Actress/actor has sex on the movie scene for "the plot", little visible nudity, pretending orgasm.
Case 3) Home video or photos are stolen / leaked showing actor/actress and her/his partner

I am not trying for any false morale, just for me as a woman it is absolutely incomparable. I see #1 as absolutely ok, and #2 i would consider cheating; I would be mad about #3 but would never judge bad someone to who it happened. We all have sex right?

 

[biostud]

Personally, I would think the same if it were a man or a woman, but due to this weird cultural history most societies have, women are apparently not supposed to have a sex life while men are. :/

I think it is more "scandalous" in some countries than others, and without really knowing it, I think women tends to be the harshest towards other women. I haven't heard about sex tapes since Pamela Andersons, so really don't care.

If people want to live a very explicit sex life that is fine, but I prefer to keep it very personal. I seriously doubt that it is mentally healthy to live as a porn actor/actress, and I would be incredibly sad if my daughters chose that career, but I don't find i morally wrong.

Case 1) I doubt I would have a partner that would be interested in that, but I would probably feel uncomfortable as I prefer to be very private my intimate life
Case 2) Same
Case 3) Violated, as these were never ment for public.

I don't read any gossip magazines, I don't watch TV, I'm not active on social media, I don't follow anything regarding celebrities whatsoever. So really not anything that is on my radar,....and then I'm a man so I'm not hold to same stupid standards

 

[IronWing]

TTIWWVC

 

[pauldun170]

OK this bugs me for a long time.

- Female nudity (and to some extend even partial one, bikinis, etc) is considered bad, not only for career but often portrayed as a bad personality treat.
- Leaked home video is absolute disaster

While at the same time.

- Letting someone grind naked on you 2 hours on the movie set with 20 people watching is not "scandalous", often discussed to the detail in daily shows, etc.

Imo 99% of the time sex scenes, at least so detailed, are not necessary for the movie to get any better. I know it is money issue for most actors and actresses, but how come society accepted it? How actresses accepted it?

How do you view it as independent observer and how would you compare these if your partner was a part of it:

Case 1) Actress/actor does Playboy pictorial
Case 2) Actress/actor has sex on the movie scene for "the plot", little visible nudity, pretending orgasm.
Case 3) Home video or photos are stolen / leaked showing actor/actress and her/his partner

I am not trying for any false morale, just for me as a woman it is absolutely incomparable. I see #1 as absolutely ok, and #2 i would consider cheating; I would be mad about #3 but would never judge bad someone to who it happened. We all have sex right?

1. Playboy pictorials? If I'm dating a someone who has done nude modelling, I'm more concerned about how good a person she is. Not how many people may have jerked off to her. If she is my age and STILL doing nude modelling then awesome sauce in that she is confident and hopefull taking care of her health enough where others would want to take a picture of her.
2. It's acting done by professionals. Nude scenes are stressful and there is nothing fun about it with lights and crew and retakes etc ect. People have done more playing versions of Twister in college dormitories with friends.
3. Shit happens. Hopefully the person you are dating is strong enough to deal with that sort of thing and has the confidence to move past it. If you are upset that your partner was someone else's partner at some point in their life and may have had some fun with a camera then you are an asshole.

 

[Captante]

TTIWWVC

What exactly will the Vietcong do for this thread again?

 

[YuliApp]

2. It's acting done by professionals. Nude scenes are stressful and there is nothing fun about it with lights and crew and retakes etc ect. People have done more playing versions of Twister in college dormitories with friends.

Doesn't matter it is not fun. I still consider it cheating. Someone rubs, touches, kisses genitals of your partner. It is real porn wrapped in "mainstream" condom.
And well, real porn is not fun either unless it is authentic.

Playing strip twister or well doing anything when not in relationship i would not care about.

 

[Captante]

Far as I'm concerned it's no different for a man then for a woman and even doing ACTUAL hard-core porn wouldn't count as "cheating" to me provided there's no deception involved.

But then I'm not an insecure hypocrite.

 

[YuliApp]

Far as I'm concerned it's no different for a man then for a woman and even doing ACTUAL hard-core porn wouldn't count as "cheating" to me provided there's no deception involved.

But then I'm not an insecure hypocrite.

I definitely mean it for both sides.
And if you are ok with your partner doing hardcore sex (as long as she tells you about it), then it is called open relationship in my opinion. Which is of course ok when both are ok with it.
I rather wanted to discuss the difference how "general" public reacts to those variants of exposed intimity.

Naked girl being happy naked: she is bad, doing bad things.
Naked girl pounded by dude she (maybe) hates: ok, as long as she says she didn't enjoyed it in the talk-show.
Leaked photos of naked girl being with her partner: she is bad.

And not sure if the wink was meant to me or not, but it doesn't apply. We have very closed relationship with exception of women.

 

[Captante]

I definitely mean it for both sides.
And if you are ok with your partner doing hardcore sex (as long as she tells you about it), then it is called open relationship in my opinion. Which is of course ok when both are ok with it.
I rather wanted to discuss the difference how "general" public reacts to those variants of exposed intimity.

Naked girl being happy naked: she is bad, doing bad things.
Naked girl pounded by dude she (maybe) hates: ok, as long as she says she didn't enjoyed it in the talk-show.
Leaked photos of naked girl being with her partner: she is bad.

So you think acting in porn is the same as a normal sexual relationship?

If so I feel very sorry for anyone in a relationship with you.

 

[YuliApp]

So you think acting in porn is the same as a normal sexual relationship?

it is not the same. I just would not tolerate such physical contact between my partner and another person being it wanted or not. But that is not what i wanted to discuss, we all can feel whatever we want to feel and do whatever we want to do as long as we communicate it in advance. I wanted to discuss why is picturial nudity frowned upon while porn on cinema is ok.

If so I feel very sorry for anyone in a relationship with you.

We've discussed it before, so no need to be sorry for him.
If for you relationship is "VERY SORRY" because partner is not allowed intimate contact with another people, then i believe you actually have very poor intimate connection in the first place.

 

[Torn Mind]

Hot females get a benefit and pay a penalty at the same time. They get favors because they are biologically "valuable". But they are treated as hot bimbos if outsiders see "the meal ticket" was through their hotness. Nothing they ever do is appreciated for the intellectual value or physical talents they have(besides looks) even if they put in that work if outsiders see them that way.

Leaked home video is not necessarily a disaster. Somehow Kim Kardashian got an entire career from it.

Now, that may not be entirely baseless. Sometimes...female conversation can be rather...not the most intellectually inspiring or edifying discussion.

Movies are exploiting the "hotness" angle for the most part. They know some fans are following the actress for the hotness. Plus, a large legion both within and outside the industry "admire" the hot actress.

For the really young or just became adult women, skin showing is often a heuristic for recklessness, immorality, risk for bad decision making, etc. Britney Spears triggered people because she was the first major teen singer who wasn't covered. Mariah Carey probably would have sparked controversy and had a smaller fanbase had she had her way with her on-stage dress rather than what Tommy Mottola required her to wear, which was more conservative. The types who say "no taking off clothes, no gimmicks, just her voice" would not have become fans.

There is also a bit of a cultural tolerance. Europe is far more open to showing off skin and even tits. I recall an American woman getting unnerved by having a massage with no towel at all in a European massage. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/lif...-was-supposed-to-be-relaxing/article24241847/

 

[Captante]

I wanted to discuss why is picturial nudity frowned upon while porn on cinema is ok.

Oh okay.... this was not made clear by the wording of the OP.

I haven't noticed much difference between HARDCORE pics and video actors in the way they're treated or thought of aside from the video-type tending to be much more widely distributed so they're more easily recognized.

SOFT-core porn OTOH could go either way and the VAST MAJORITY of sex-scenes in regular movies are NOT "sexual" at all for the participants.

so no need to be sorry

Far as I'm concerned sex is only PART of a healthy relationship and the REAL problem with "cheating" is the violation of trust NOT the sex itself.

Unless one is inclined to basing their moral code on fairy-tales.

 

[nakedfrog]

Hot females get a benefit and pay a penalty at the same time. They get favors because they are biologically "valuable". But they are treated as hot bimbos if outsiders see "the meal ticket" was through their hotness. Nothing they ever do is appreciated for the intellectual value or physical talents they have(besides looks) even if they put in that work if outsiders see them that way.

Leaked home video is not necessarily a disaster. Somehow Kim Kardashian got an entire career from it.

Now, that may not be entirely baseless. Sometimes...female conversation can be rather...not the most intellectually inspiring or edifying discussion.

Believe it or not, conversation with men can be the same way
They get far more penalty than they receive in benefit.

 

[Captante]

Believe it or not, conversation with men can be the same way

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Number one is awesome!

"If he sends you an unsolicited d*ck pic, mint it as an NFT listing him as the artist and send him the purchase link, the only way for him to erase it from the blockchain is to buy it."


*(actually makes me a bit embarrassed to be male!)

 

[biostud]

#6 it can hardly be cheating if it does in the open?
I think it is OK to say you are not comfortable with your partner doing sex scenes, or saying you could not be in a relationship with one doing that. But to me cheating involves lying, secrets and deceit and that would to me be worse than the physical act of having sex.

 

[Captante]

female conversation can be rather...not the most intellectually inspiring or edifying

I find MALE "conversation" FREQUENTLY suffers from the same malady!


(smart women rock!)

 

[YuliApp]

#6 it can hardly be cheating if it does in the open?
I think it is OK to say you are not comfortable with your partner doing sex scenes, or saying you could not be in a relationship with one doing that. But to me cheating involves lying, secrets and deceit and that would to me be worse than the physical act of having sex.

Yes cheating is probably not the right word, what i meant was just sex with another partner. Enjoyable or not, secret or not.

And on not completely unrelated note, I would love to have 1€ for every girl who sends me "block my husband/bf/fiance i do not want that he follows you"

 

[YuliApp]

Sometimes...female conversation can be rather...not the most intellectually inspiring or edifying discussion.

If that was female problem world would be a good place

 

[Torn Mind]

I find MALE "conversation" FREQUENTLY suffers from the same malady!

Males can do jock conversation without having their entire actually skillset disregarded and disparaged. I've seen the comments made on social media targeted at female sports reporters.

I also recall the thread about the crappy contractor in Colorado, where the victim said the did not "go wow". The phrase is entirely correct that good work should do that, however, the more emotional way of expressing standards did not go over well for some people.

Or how about pop stars like Ariana Grande. Sophistocrats think it's all autotune and marketing, when she can work with the musical programs and put the notes together in them like a champ; the insta post was broadcasted as a story by @coreystampley_, one of the band members on JoJo's current tour.

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[Captante]

Males can do jock conversation without having their entire actually skillset disregarded and disparaged. I've seen the comments made on social media targeted at female sports reporters.

Female gamers apparently have a tough time too.

 

[biostud]

Yes cheating is probably not the right word, what i meant was just sex with another partner. Enjoyable or not, secret or not.

And on not completely unrelated note, I would love to have 1€ for every girl who sends me "block my husband/bf/fiance i do not want that he follows you"

Maybe I'm just old minded, but I'm glad that neither me nor my wife does any following on SoMe. My wife doesn't have any SoMe accounts, and while I have a FB account, I only use it to be able to participate in different political groups, local events and work related.

 

[YuliApp]

Maybe I'm just old minded, but I'm glad that neither me nor my wife does any following on SoMe. My wife doesn't have any SoMe accounts, and while I have a FB account, I only use it to be able to participate in different political groups, local events and work related.

Yes actual social media is a cancer. If forums and eBay would not be dead, i would not use it at all. I left IG some weeks ago and on FB i use only marketplace. Content, but even lack of features on those media and crappy javascript interface makes my brain lose one cell every day i have to use it.
Deleted everything else (Xing, LinkedIn,...). Keeping some reddit and dA but mostly in write only mode.

Thats more or less also a reason why i created my own one.

 

[BudAshes]

It's mostly because Americans are insane. No one gives a fuck in Europe.

 

[dank69]

It's mostly because Americans are insane. No one gives a fuck in Europe.

Yup, 400 years later and we're still working out our Puritanical bullshit.

 

[YuliApp]

While yes, Americans are in this regard completely insane, i wish it was only there. For example in Germany someone believe is very friendly (and where 50% above 50 are swingers from my observation lol) everyone in south is openly against nudity. And at the same time there are only shared saunas and nude hiking trails. That fake morale is sometimes even worse then meaning it.