Why is everyone so partisan?

[Necrolezbeast]

I am nearly 20 years old, never been party oriented, never had polics in family discussion until I had founded my own beliefs. I have just always wondered why people are always voting with their party rather than voting for the actual candidate? I live in Utah and attend Dixie State College where I am currently in a Political Science class; there are many kids and middle age poeple in the class that absolutely hate anything/one that is not Republican. No matter what the issue is or anything, they can't look past the fact the person or view is "liberal" or "conservative", they also like to throw out irrational crap like "All gay people should be shot!!" and "We need more people like Bill O'Reily".

Not being a Bush fan, being very pro-choice in the area of gay unions and to some extent abortions I find myself debating against people that have not the intellectual power nor the ability to see another side of a story. I asked the leader of the jackasses in class if an abortion was alright in the case of a young teenage girl, 13 - 15, being raped; he replied that she should have the kid and give it up for adoption. I really believe if a young girl is raped she should be allowed to have an abortion, as pregnancy at that age and trying to make a life for herself by finishing school wouldn't be easy.

My perception of the America isn't that great anymore. It just amazes me how people can allow themselves to be so ignorant and really believe that the party they belong to is more important than the issues being discussed or the candidate running. The founding father were right with the assumption that parties were not a good thing to bring to society.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Necrolezbeast
I am nearly 20 years old, never been party oriented, never had polics in family discussion until I had founded my own beliefs. I have just always wondered why people are always voting with their party rather than voting for the actual candidate? I live in Utah and attend Dixie State College where I am currently in a Political Science class; there are many kids and middle age poeple in the class that absolutely hate anything/one that is not Republican. No matter what the issue is or anything, they can't look past the fact the person or view is "liberal" or "conservative", they also like to throw out irrational crap like "All gay people should be shot!!" and "We need more people like Bill O'Reily".

Not being a Bush fan, being very pro-choice in the area of gay unions and to some extent abortions I find myself debating against people that have not the intellectual power nor the ability to see another side of a story. I asked the leader of the jackasses in class if an abortion was alright in the case of a young teenage girl, 13 - 15, being raped; he replied that she should have the kid and give it up for adoption. I really believe if a young girl is raped she should be allowed to have an abortion, as pregnancy at that age and trying to make a life for herself by finishing school wouldn't be easy.

My perception of the America isn't that great anymore. It just amazes me how people can allow themselves to be so ignorant and really believe that the party they belong to is more important than the issues being discussed or the candidate running. The founding father were right with the assumption that parties were not a good thing to bring to society.

Thank good I am not in Congress or the House. I love being independent.

 

[ReiAyanami]

i'm pro-McCain but anti-bush.

bush has distorted, manipulated, and mutated the republican party into a "spend and spend" giant government machine that labels anything resembling dissent as unpatriotic

true patriots ask questions.

 

[conjur]

You've hit upon a major problem with the voting public. Many don't want to take the time to learn the facts behind the issues nor to learn of the opinions from all sides. They like to have their opinions fed to them by talking heads (from whatever side of the political spectrum) and go happily along in their daze voting straight-party tickets.

But, that's their Constitutional right.

 

[biostud]

As the president said: You're either with us or against us.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Necrolezbeast
I am nearly 20 years old, never been party oriented, never had polics in family discussion until I had founded my own beliefs. I have just always wondered why people are always voting with their party rather than voting for the actual candidate? I live in Utah and attend Dixie State College where I am currently in a Political Science class; there are many kids and middle age poeple in the class that absolutely hate anything/one that is not Republican. No matter what the issue is or anything, they can't look past the fact the person or view is "liberal" or "conservative", they also like to throw out irrational crap like "All gay people should be shot!!" and "We need more people like Bill O'Reily".

Not being a Bush fan, being very pro-choice in the area of gay unions and to some extent abortions I find myself debating against people that have not the intellectual power nor the ability to see another side of a story. I asked the leader of the jackasses in class if an abortion was alright in the case of a young teenage girl, 13 - 15, being raped; he replied that she should have the kid and give it up for adoption. I really believe if a young girl is raped she should be allowed to have an abortion, as pregnancy at that age and trying to make a life for herself by finishing school wouldn't be easy.

My perception of the America isn't that great anymore. It just amazes me how people can allow themselves to be so ignorant and really believe that the party they belong to is more important than the issues being discussed or the candidate running. The founding father were right with the assumption that parties were not a good thing to bring to society.

It's wrong to support the person. Because if the person you support changes his mind you would have a large quatity following him, ie. hitler. They just love their current agenda, it has nothing todo with the political party or fancy of the same.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: biostud666
As the president said: You're either with us or against us.

:thumbsup:

 

[glenn1]

My perception of the America isn't that great anymore. It just amazes me how people can allow themselves to be so ignorant and really believe that the party they belong to is more important than the issues being discussed or the candidate running.

You're young and stupid, and therefore it's understandable that you're naïve when it comes to political matters. When you grow up you'll realize that America's greatness has nothing to do with whether the voters agree with your point of view or not, and that calling the voting people "ignorant" was an immature move on your part.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Necrolezbeast

My perception of the America isn't that great anymore. It just amazes me how people can allow themselves to be so ignorant and really believe that the party they belong to is more important than the issues being discussed or the candidate running. The founding father were right with the assumption that parties were not a good thing to bring to society.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that your classmates think abortion and gay unions are wrong for reasons other than their political party affiliation.

 

[daveshel]

There's a difference between being partisan and being opposed to the current administration. McCain would have been just fine with me.

 

[BDawg]

We're partisan because the Republicans forced partisanship as an issue in the '94 election. It's only gotten worse since then.

 

[Necrolezbeast]

Originally posted by: glenn1

My perception of the America isn't that great anymore. It just amazes me how people can allow themselves to be so ignorant and really believe that the party they belong to is more important than the issues being discussed or the candidate running.

You're young and stupid, and therefore it's understandable that you're naïve when it comes to political matters. When you grow up you'll realize that America's greatness has nothing to do with whether the voters agree with your point of view or not, and that calling the voting people "ignorant" was an immature move on your part.

You are calling me young, stupid and naive because I propose people learn about who and what they are voting for. The fact I said people are ignorant because they vote by party not the actual candidates political and moral stance he projects to the nation? I think you have proved the fact that I am not immature, naive nor stupid; I just pointed out the obvious in some folk.

 

[rickn]

America is heading down a very destructive path, and a very confrontational path. It happened once before, and it could very well happen again.

It's wrong to support the person. Because if the person you support changes his mind you would have a large quatity following him, ie. hitler. They just love their current agenda, it has nothing todo with the political party or fancy of the same.

Bush doesn't adhere to many traditional conservative republican values, so what exactly do people support him for? Cuz he's the cool guy with the cool job?

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Necrolezbeast

Originally posted by: glenn1

My perception of the America isn't that great anymore. It just amazes me how people can allow themselves to be so ignorant and really believe that the party they belong to is more important than the issues being discussed or the candidate running.

You're young and stupid, and therefore it's understandable that you're naïve when it comes to political matters. When you grow up you'll realize that America's greatness has nothing to do with whether the voters agree with your point of view or not, and that calling the voting people "ignorant" was an immature move on your part.

You are calling me young, stupid and naive because I propose people learn about who and what they are voting for. The fact I said people are ignorant because they vote by party not the actual candidates political and moral stance he projects to the nation? I think you have proved the fact that I am not immature, naive nor stupid; I just pointed out the obvious in some folk.

And I implied they vote for Republicans because they agree with them on issues like abortion and gay marriage and not because of party...

 

[Rainsford]

People are partisan because it's easier to just go with a group than work towards non-partisan, meaningful solutions that everyone can agree on. Sad but true.

 

[glenn1]

You are calling me young, stupid and naive because I propose people learn about who and what they are voting for. The fact I said people are ignorant because they vote by party not the actual candidates political and moral stance he projects to the nation? I think you have proved the fact that I am not immature, naive nor stupid; I just pointed out the obvious in some folk.

Thanks for proving my point. American greatness has nothing to do with our elected government, it has everything to do with the American people. It's based on people like Tabb, and ReiAyanami, and Conjur, and biostud666 going out and living the American dream every day. Bush or Kerry is absolutely immaterial to it and so are the rest of the issues of today, your perception that it America isn't great anymore because people didn't vote the way you thought they should notwithstanding. America is greater than any one person's opinion, yours included. And it will continue long after you're dead and your stupid opinion about whether abortion should be legal or not and whether people are "ignorant" for voting by candidate are long forgotten.

 

[seawolf21]

Originally posted by: Necrolezbeast
I am nearly 20 years old, never been party oriented, never had polics in family discussion until I had founded my own beliefs. I have just always wondered why people are always voting with their party rather than voting for the actual candidate? I live in Utah and attend Dixie State College where I am currently in a Political Science class; there are many kids and middle age poeple in the class that absolutely hate anything/one that is not Republican. No matter what the issue is or anything, they can't look past the fact the person or view is "liberal" or "conservative", they also like to throw out irrational crap like "All gay people should be shot!!" and "We need more people like Bill O'Reily".

Not being a Bush fan, being very pro-choice in the area of gay unions and to some extent abortions I find myself debating against people that have not the intellectual power nor the ability to see another side of a story. I asked the leader of the jackasses in class if an abortion was alright in the case of a young teenage girl, 13 - 15, being raped; he replied that she should have the kid and give it up for adoption. I really believe if a young girl is raped she should be allowed to have an abortion, as pregnancy at that age and trying to make a life for herself by finishing school wouldn't be easy.

My perception of the America isn't that great anymore. It just amazes me how people can allow themselves to be so ignorant and really believe that the party they belong to is more important than the issues being discussed or the candidate running. The founding father were right with the assumption that parties were not a good thing to bring to society.

you're not alone. I was a dem for a couple of years before switching back to independent. Both parties suck. Nader's got it right when he said you get a choice between terrible and horrible.

 

[Ornery]

"...the party they belong to is more important than the issues being discussed or the candidate running."

The party they belong to AGREES with them on the issues being discussed, and the candidate running SUPPORTS those same issues! WTF is so hard to understand?

 

[Necrolezbeast]

Originally posted by: glenn1

You are calling me young, stupid and naive because I propose people learn about who and what they are voting for. The fact I said people are ignorant because they vote by party not the actual candidates political and moral stance he projects to the nation? I think you have proved the fact that I am not immature, naive nor stupid; I just pointed out the obvious in some folk.

Thanks for proving my point. American greatness has nothing to do with our elected government, it has everything to do with the American people. It's based on people like Tabb, and ReiAyanami, and Conjur, and biostud666 going out and living the American dream every day. Bush or Kerry is absolutely immaterial to it and so are the rest of the issues of today, your perception that it America isn't great anymore because people didn't vote the way you thought they should notwithstanding. America is greater than any one person's opinion, yours included. And it will continue long after you're dead and your stupid opinion about whether abortion should be legal or not and whether people are "ignorant" for voting by candidate are long forgotten.

I don't care what way people vote, I completely believe it is the persons choice. I don't think you payed any attention when I stated that I belong to no party and I support free thinking and the idea of thinking outside a party, so I have no view of the way the polls should have gone. I just stated from personal experience I notice people don't even care what they are voting for as long as their party OK's it...ignorance is bliss

 

[Pepsei]

people are partisan not because of the issues. I believe most people are moderates when it comes to issues.

It is the Leader that the people identify themselves with caused them to be partisan.

 

[Ornery]

" I believe most people are moderates when it comes to issues."

:roll: Yeah? What's your "moderate" choice on these isues:

• Social Security Privatization?
• Partial birth abortion ban?
• Alaska oil drilling?
• Affirmative Action?
• School Vouchers?

Wanna try again?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Believe it or not, I voted for a couple Republicans. </GASP> :shocked:

I voted for Christopher "Kit" Bond for the Senate and Kenny Hulshof for Congress. Bond's opponent ran a lousy campaign and doesn't have the knowledge or pull Bond has in Washington. Hulshof is a moderate Republican and I can respect that. He's done a good job as well.

I'm really not as anti-Republican as people may think, just anti-neoconservative Republican.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"...the party they belong to is more important than the issues being discussed or the candidate running."

The party they belong to AGREES with them on the issues being discussed, and the candidate running SUPPORTS those same issues! WTF is so hard to understand?

Your post would be a little more accurate if you inserted the word 'most' in a couple of places.

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: Ornery
" I believe most people are moderates when it comes to issues."

:roll: Yeah? What's your "moderate" choice on these isues:

• Social Security Privatization?
• Partial birth abortion ban?
• Alaska oil drilling?
• Affirmative Action?
• School Vouchers?

Wanna try again?

Social Security Privatization - moderate choice would be up to the people to choose where to put their funds
alaska oil drilling? - let the alaskans decide
partial birth abortion ban? - let the parents decide is the moderate choice versus pro-life or pro-abortion
school vouchers? - let parents have a choice is more moderate than killing public school funds all together.
Affirmative Action? - it should be applied to all races, are you sick of Asians going to all the good schools.


lighten up, I did say most, not all. You sounded like I kicked your dog or something. I guess I should also clarify, moderates also means they can tolerate people with different issues, as long as they both identify with the same leader, there wouldn't be a partisan problem.


Let's say I support Bush, I it's easy for me to hang out with other people who support Bush but have different views on gun control.

But if I support Kerry, they don't want me around even if I'm against gun control.

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Ornery
"...the party they belong to is more important than the issues being discussed or the candidate running."

The party they belong to AGREES with them on the issues being discussed, and the candidate running SUPPORTS those same issues! WTF is so hard to understand?

Your post would be a little more accurate if you inserted the word 'most' in a couple of places.

Right, I could still be a Republican and disagree with some issues. A lot of Republicans are like that, they don't like Bush's massive spending habit, but there's no where else for them to go, certainly not the Democrate party.