Why is everyone so excited for Penryn????

[trOver]

Why is everyone focusing on this new Penryn for their desktop, when all it is is just a successor to the Merom core? Sure, its 45nm and all, but its not for desktops! And, whats with all this Nehalem talk? Isn't is just the successor to Penryn, but once again, not for desktops?

Isn't Wolfdale the desktop version of Penryn?

Am I understanding this correctly? Are people just saying Penryn because it sounds cooler than Wolfdale? Please correct me if I am wrong, I am simply curious.

 

[her34]

Originally posted by: trOver
Are people just saying Penryn because it sounds cooler than Wolfdale?

yes. at the intel cafeteria you'll never hear people at the cool table call it wolfdale. the lingo eventually trickled down to message boards

 

[kohlersc]

Penryn is the core codename. It will be used for desktop and moble processors. Wolfdale is the dual core Penryn while Yorkfield will be the quad core Penryn.

Nehalem is going to be the successor to Penryn which will probably also be used for desktop and moble processors.

It was definitely confusing to realize there are codenames for the core architecture and then for the moble, duo, and quad core versions of the core architecture.

 

[trOver]

Originally posted by: kohlersc
Penryn is the core codename. It will be used for desktop and moble processors. Wolfdale is the dual core Penryn while Yorkfield will be the quad core Penryn.

Nehalem is going to be the successor to Penryn which will probably also be used for desktop and moble processors.

It was definitely confusing to realize there are codenames for the core architecture and then for the moble, duo, and quad core versions of the core architecture.

yes, but penryn is specifically for mobile, and wolfdale is for desktop yes?

is intel keeping these code names close to each other, desktop and mobile wise? are they interchangeable?

 

[HopJokey]

Originally posted by: trOver

Originally posted by: kohlersc
Penryn is the core codename. It will be used for desktop and moble processors. Wolfdale is the dual core Penryn while Yorkfield will be the quad core Penryn.

Nehalem is going to be the successor to Penryn which will probably also be used for desktop and moble processors.

It was definitely confusing to realize there are codenames for the core architecture and then for the moble, duo, and quad core versions of the core architecture.

yes, but penryn is specifically for mobile, and wolfdale is for desktop yes?

is intel keeping these code names close to each other, desktop and mobile wise? are they interchangeable?

Penryn is not only the codename for the mobile part, but also the overall family codename.

 

[MarcVenice]

What HopJokey said, and Conroe is the family codename for current gen c2d's. Can't think of any names, like wolfdale and yorkfield, for the conroe cpu's right now, slipped my mind ...

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
What HopJokey said, and Conroe is the family codename for current gen c2d's. Can't think of any names, like wolfdale and yorkfield, for the conroe cpu's right now, slipped my mind ...

Current cpu's: Kentsfield for the quads, Conroe for the 4MB dual-cores, and Allendale for the 2MB dual-cores.

 

[MarcVenice]

Wait, then what is the family name for current gen cpu's, like the kentsfield, conroe and allendale cpu's ?

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Wait, then what is the family name for current gen cpu's, like the kentsfield, conroe and allendale cpu's ?

Conroe.

It's usually just the codename of the first part of the family named or leaked out to the public.

 

[MarcVenice]

Ah allright, I wonder what CPU's are going to be Penryns then? Same as the allendale's right now?

 

[HopJokey]

Originally posted by: aka1nas

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Wait, then what is the family name for current gen cpu's, like the kentsfield, conroe and allendale cpu's ?

Conroe.

It's usually just the codename of the first part of the family named or leaked out to the public.

It was actually "Merom", but "Conroe" caught on like wildfire in the public.

 

[SickBeast]

Penryn should be 15% faster than current C2D/C2Q chips clock for clock, and will have 12mb per chip instead of 8mb per chip of L2 cache (for the quads).

I'm pretty sure they're also 45nm, so they should run a fair bit cooler with more overclocking headroom.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Penryn should be 15% faster than current C2D/C2Q chips clock for clock, and will have 12mb per chip instead of 8mb per chip of L2 cache (for the quads).

Got any links for that? I've seen much lower estimates.

I'm pretty sure they're also 45nm, so they should run a fair bit cooler with more overclocking headroom.

They are 45nm, and besides that and the extra cache, they will also have SSE4, which is going to give huge gains in the video encoding/transcoding apps that are updated to support it. So far, only DivX has it, and it gains ~100% at the same clockspeed. Here's a quote from the top link:

On the media encoding side of things, the DivX 6.6 (with SSE4) 1080p MPEG2 to MPEG4 conversion task has Wolfdale cutting the Core 2 Duo's encoding time in half, giving the 45nm chip a 115 percent lead over its predecessor. But, like the Half-Life 2 score, this stratospheric boost is the outlier, with the other encoding tasks showing advantages for Wolfdale in the 6 to 12 percent range.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Penryn should be 15% faster than current C2D/C2Q chips clock for clock, and will have 12mb per chip instead of 8mb per chip of L2 cache (for the quads).

Got any links for that? I've seen much lower estimates.

I'm pretty sure they're also 45nm, so they should run a fair bit cooler with more overclocking headroom.

They are 45nm, and besides that and the extra cache, they will also have SSE4, which is going to give huge gains in the video encoding/transcoding apps that are updated to support it. So far, only DivX has it, and it gains ~100% at the same clockspeed. Here's a quote from the top link:

On the media encoding side of things, the DivX 6.6 (with SSE4) 1080p MPEG2 to MPEG4 conversion task has Wolfdale cutting the Core 2 Duo's encoding time in half, giving the 45nm chip a 115 percent lead over its predecessor. But, like the Half-Life 2 score, this stratospheric boost is the outlier, with the other encoding tasks showing advantages for Wolfdale in the 6 to 12 percent range.

AnandTech had an article about Penryn performance preview. Surprised you are posting on the forums here and didn't know about it. It's anywhere from 5-10% difference IIRC.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...howdoc.aspx?i=3069&p=3

Not to mention overclocking as the last review that AnandTech did had 4GHz on a quad core with stock cooling.

 

[wwswimming]

if you look at cost of electricity, low power consumption processors are ... looking
for the word ... part of our future ?

that is sort of going off topic, because it relates to decline in fossil fuel production,
and our inability to manage nuclear, our historical unwillingness to use the 1000
watts per square meter that shine down on us on a sunny day.

but, if people are interested in oil field geology, wave power, etc. etc. etc. these
are good references.

http://www.theoildrum.com/

http://www.energybulletin.net/index.php

to relate this back to the OP, computing performance per watt is a primary
design consideration in IT, because those watts are getting much more
expensive, in most geographical regions.

so having a fast processor that sips power is the way to go, if you're trying
to control business costs.

i envy Canadians. 6 cents a kilowatt hour, a lot of it from (sustainable)
hydroelectric.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Seen all the reviews of the Qx9650s (Yorkfields) hitting 4Ghz+ on air?
That's exactly why everyone is excited about Penryn. Every reviewer has gotten their chip over 4GHz on high-end air (at least the half-dozen reviews I've seen so far) - that's mighty impressive.

I wonder how high the Wolfdales (dual-core) will clock?

 

[piasabird]

Intel had planned on doing away with the Mobile designation. This is doublespeak for rebranding so they can make more money by forcing laptop makers and you more money for the same processor.